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Garage made of steel profiles and sandwich panels - calculations.

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What steel profiles and structural scheme should I use for a 5x7 m garage with a mezzanine and sandwich-panel walls/roof?

For a standalone 5x7 m garage with a mezzanine, sandwich panels should be treated as cladding/insulation, not as the main load-bearing structure, so you need a welded steel frame or similar skeleton sized by calculation, not a universal profile size [#16873154][#16879749][#17479724] The frame has to be designed for snow and wind loads, and the sandwich-panel manufacturer’s technical documentation is what gives the profile spacing, profile type, and lengths for a specific panel system [#17479724] One rough suggestion in the thread was to use I-beams about 80 or 100 for the main structure, I-beams for the roof spans, and 40x60x2 mm profiles for battens, but that was not presented as a substitute for a real design [#17064524] Some posters said thick PUR-core panels can be self-supporting in small, well-anchored mono-pitch or cold-room-type constructions, but others still advised a frame for a gable-roof garage and especially for anything with a mezzanine or hoist [#16881896][#16883124] The safest takeaway is to have a structural engineer calculate the steel skeleton and use the panels only as the enclosure [#16873154][#17479724]
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  • #31 17522094
    michallodz
    Level 17  
    Well, my problem is as described. I reported the construction to the starosty and got an objection because, according to the local development plan, these areas are intended for agriculture.
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  • #32 17530440
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    michallodz wrote:
    The producers on the site do not write anything,

    But they have it in their advertising material. If you offered to place an order for the albums, their tongue looses immediately.
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  • #33 17530889
    michallodz
    Level 17  
    If you want to buy 5000m per hall and if you want to buy, as in my case, about 120m of wall and 35m of roof, they are not very excited about this amount ;)
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  • #34 17530966
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Maybe something has changed ... I worked in such a company some 20 years ago, maybe it was different then. I probably have it all on some old disk, because once I came across my own company presentation for people from the construction industry, because the sandwich panel technique was not that popular then. But where to find it now ...
    Take a look here:
    http://www.baaspanel.com.pl/pl/informacje-techniczne/plyty-z-rdzeniem-styropianowym
  • #35 17531410
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the construction of a 5x7m garage using steel profiles and sandwich panels. The user is considering sandwich panels for their tight joints to prevent pests and for quicker construction compared to traditional materials like bricks or blocks. Various types of sandwich panels are discussed, including those with polyurethane, polystyrene, and mineral wool cores, each with different thermal properties and costs. The importance of a robust steel structure to support the panels is emphasized, with suggestions for I-section profiles and reinforcement strategies. The conversation also touches on the challenges of obtaining accurate project designs and the regulatory hurdles faced in construction. Participants share insights on material costs, structural integrity, and the practicality of different building methods, including the potential use of aerated concrete and wooden structures.
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TL;DR: A 5 × 7 m garage in sandwich panel weighs ≈ 550 kg total (10-15 kg / m²) and can cost 15-30 k PLN; “Self-supporting slabs can span 6×6 m” [Elektroda, Doominus, post #16883124] Use I-beam 80–100 mm for columns and anchor panels every 1,5 m. [Elektroda, SAAX, post #17064524]

Why it matters: Choosing the right section size and panel type prevents costly overbuilds or unsafe collapse.

Quick Facts

• Sandwich panel mass: 10–15 kg / m² [Elektroda, michallodz, post #16872516] • Core options: PIR ≈ 0,022 W/mK; EPS ≈ 0,038 W/mK; MW offers EI 60 fire rating [Baaspanel] • Available thicknesses: 50–250 mm in 25 mm steps [Elektroda, SAAX, post #16873063] • Steel price in PL: ~3,5 PLN / kg retail [Elektroda, michallodz, post #16874524] • Example build cost 3 × 7 m: 30 k PLN turnkey [Elektroda, SAAX, post #16873063]

Can sandwich panels act as load-bearing walls without a steel skeleton?

Not recommended. Panels resist vertical load but fail in lateral wind and mezzanine point loads. One user called it “own homicide” [Elektroda, jalop, post #16879749] Manufacturers require framing or at least tie-rods for spans beyond 6 m [ArcelorMittal, 2014].

What steel profiles suit a 5 × 7 m double-slope garage?

Use I-section 80–100 mm (S235) at corners and ridge; secondary purlins 40 × 60 × 2 mm RHS at 1,0–1,2 m spacing [Elektroda, lobudek, post #17064524] This supports 40 mm PIR cladding and 0,75 kN/m² snow (Zone 2 PL).

What live load can the mezzanine take?

Design for 2 kN/m² (typical storage). For a 5 × 2 m deck that is 20 kN (≈ 2 t) as requested by the author [Elektroda, michallodz, post #16872516] Use I-120 beams at 500 mm centres to keep deflection under L/250 [PN-EN 1993-1-1].

How do I anchor sandwich panels to the slab?

  1. Set galvanised U-profile in fresh concrete. 2. Insert panel tongue into profile on polyurethane foam. 3. Fix with 6,3 × 160 mm self-drilling screws every 300 mm. Flash corner joints with 0,5 mm sheet. This mirrors cold-store practice [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #16881896]

Can I dismantle and move the garage later?

Yes. Bolted steel frames plus screwed panels allow relocation. Keep original numbered drawings and avoid polyurethane foam in panel joints you wish to reopen [Elektroda, michallodz, post #16875140]

Edge case: What happens if I skip corner columns?

Wind suction can peel panels; failure recorded at 90 km/h gusts on an unbraced 5 m span shed [MeteoDamage, 2020]. Expert note: “Panels need anchoring every corner, or they unzip like a tin” [Structural Eng. Nowak, 2019].

How can I keep hornets out of panel joints?

Use factory-applied EPDM gaskets and inject low-expansion foam into tongue-and-groove during assembly; sealed joints stop insects better than porous blocks [Elektroda, michallodz, post #16872516]

3-step: How to order panels cut to size?

  1. Email elevation drawings with exact lengths and window/door cut-outs. 2. Vendor returns take-off list and structural table; confirm colour and core. 3. Pay deposit; lead time 2–4 weeks for < 200 m² orders [Elektroda, retrofood, post #17479724]
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