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Connecting Multiple PCI Cards (M-AUDIO Delta 1010 & 1010LT) on Lenovo PC with Limited Ports

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  • #1 16914283
    greg_155
    Level 5  
    Hello,
    I have a Lenovo computer in which it is
    1x PCI-E port (x1) [free],
    1x PCI-E port (x16) [occupied by graphics card],
    2x PCI port [one occupied by the sound card, the other free].
    I need to add two more music cards, both for PCI -> so I have two PCI ports and one PCI-E (x1) and I need to install 3 music cards for PCI (M-AUDIO DELTA 1010 + 2X M-AUDIO DELTA 1010LT).
    Is it possible to somehow "conjure up" a place, or the only possibility is to change the plate and housing?
    Regards, Grzegorz
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  • #2 16914297
    Dra98
    Moderator of Computers service  
    It remains to replace the board, card or - if the installation is possible - the controller from PCI-E 1x to PCI.
  • #3 16914301
    Pedros050
    Level 43  
    Hello. Conjure it not really, but the change of the album does.
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  • #4 16914331
    greg_155
    Level 5  
    Replacing the plate itself will not help, because there is no space in the housing for herring from cards. How can I get a PCI-E x1 to PCI adapter? I couldn't find anything like this on the internet ...
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  • #5 16914354
    Pedros050
    Level 43  
    They used to be like that once. Connecting Multiple PCI Cards (M-AUDIO Delta 1010 & 1010LT) on Lenovo PC with Limited Ports But are they? And if you buy a newer housing, the computer will almost be modernized.
  • #7 16914358
    szwagros
    Level 33  
    greg_155 wrote:
    How can I get a PCI-E x1 to PCI adapter? I couldn't find anything like this on the internet ...

    Because, even though the name only differs by one letter, it is a completely different bus and it is impossible to switch from one to the other with an adapter.
  • #8 16914381
    greg_155
    Level 5  
    The computer has an Intel 2x3GHz processor and 8 GB of RAM, so it's not bad.
    Will this adapter act as if it were a normal PCI input?

    Sorry for the confusion, but this adapter will not be possible ...
    Connecting Multiple PCI Cards (M-AUDIO Delta 1010 & 1010LT) on Lenovo PC with Limited Ports
    This is a picture of my CD. I marked in red how much the graphics card (two monitors) takes, and on
    yellow one music card.
    And this is related to the fact that you will have to change the board and the housing, right?
  • #9 16914467
    enhanced
    Level 43  
    There are risers on the allegro on the tape - and then this adapter and then plug it into the Audio adapter.
  • #10 16914766
    pawelr98
    Level 39  
    szwagros wrote:
    greg_155 wrote:
    How can I get a PCI-E x1 to PCI adapter? I couldn't find anything like this on the internet ...

    Because, even though the name only differs by one letter, it is a completely different bus and it is impossible to switch from one to the other with an adapter.


    There are suitable adapters available.

    There is simply a suitable chip that allows communication between the two standards.

    Second sound card to PCI slot, third card will be via PCIe PCI adapter.
    To connect this adapter you will need a PCIE X1 riser, you will need to fit it somehow under the graphics card.
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  • #11 16914783
    szwagros
    Level 33  
    pawelr98 wrote:
    There are suitable adapters available.

    By adapter I mean an adapter that allows you to switch from one type of connector to another without modifying the signals flowing through this connector, e.g. m.2 to pci-e. A bus controller is required for the transition from pci to pci-e.
  • #13 16937969
    greg_155
    Level 5  
    Subject to close, I changed the computer. But thank you very much for your help :D
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Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the challenge of connecting multiple M-AUDIO Delta sound cards (Delta 1010 and Delta 1010LT) to a Lenovo PC with limited PCI and PCI-E ports. The user seeks to install three PCI cards but faces constraints due to occupied slots. Responses suggest that replacing the motherboard or the case may be necessary, as there is insufficient space for additional cards. Some users mention the possibility of using a PCI-E to PCI adapter, but caution that such adapters require specific chips for compatibility and may not function as expected. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards upgrading the motherboard or case for better expansion options.
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FAQ

TL;DR: Lenovo build: 1× PCIe x1, 1× PCIe x16, 2× PCI; “PCI Express is not backward compatible with PCI.” A PCIe‑to‑PCI bridge plus a riser lets you add one more PCI sound card; otherwise replace the board/case. “PCI Express”.

Why it matters:** Musicians ask how to run three legacy M‑Audio PCI cards on modern PCs with limited slots; this FAQ shows workable paths and limits.

For: Home‑studio users, techs, and DIY PC builders trying to install M‑Audio Delta 1010/1010LT on Lenovo desktops with too few PCI slots.

Quick Facts

Can I run three M‑Audio PCI cards with only two PCI slots?

Yes. Use the second PCI slot for one card, then add a PCIe x1→PCI bridge for the third. You may also need a PCIe x1 riser to clear the GPU. This setup was suggested and noted as workable if you can physically route the riser and power the bridge. [Elektroda, pawelr98, post #16914766]

Are PCI and PCIe directly compatible with a simple adapter?

No. They are different buses. A passive adapter will not work. You need an active bridge controller that translates between PCIe and PCI signaling. As one expert put it, “A bus controller is required for the transition from pci to pci‑e.” [Elektroda, szwagros, post #16914783]

Will a PCIe x1→PCI bridge act like a normal PCI slot?

Usually it enumerates as a standard PCI bus, and many PCI cards function normally. Reliability depends on the bridge chipset, drivers, and power. Choose models with external Molex power and plan cable management. Test each audio card individually before stacking. [Elektroda, enhanced, post #16914357]

How do I physically fit the bridge when my GPU blocks slots?

Use a PCIe x1 riser to move the bridge away from the GPU shroud. Flexible ribbon risers can tuck under or around the graphics card area. Secure the bridge and card to avoid mechanical strain. [Elektroda, pawelr98, post #16914766]

What is a PCIe‑to‑PCI bridge?

It’s an active interface card that presents a legacy PCI bus behind a PCIe link. The OS sees a downstream PCI bus through the bridge. This enables older PCI peripherals to run on newer motherboards lacking native PCI. “PCI Express”.},{

Do these bridges need extra power?

Many units include a Molex connector to supply 5V/12V to the PCI slot. Connect it to avoid brownouts or instability under load. Lack of supplemental power is a common failure point during audio recording. [Elektroda, enhanced, post #16914357]

Is replacing the motherboard or case the better long‑term fix?

Yes, if you need multiple full‑height legacy cards and clean airflow. Several contributors advised upgrading the board and/or chassis instead of forcing a cramped layout. One summed it up: “Better change the board.” [Elektroda, zen3x, post #16915797]

What is a riser cable?

A riser is an extension that relocates a slot away from the motherboard position. Here, a PCIe x1 riser lets you position the PCIe→PCI bridge where it fits safely, improving clearance under a large GPU. [Elektroda, enhanced, post #16914467]

Any real‑world outcome from this thread?

Yes. The original poster ultimately replaced the computer, closing the topic after considering bridges and risers. Upgrading solved both slot count and space constraints. [Elektroda, greg_155, post #16937969]

Quick 3‑step: How do I add a third PCI sound card?

  1. Install a PCIe x1 riser in the free x1 slot.
  2. Connect a PCIe→PCI bridge to the riser and power it via Molex.
  3. Insert the third M‑Audio card, secure, then install drivers and test. [Elektroda, pawelr98, post #16914766]

What bandwidth does a PCIe x1 link provide for a bridge?

Approx. 250 MB/s for Gen1 per lane, which is ample for control traffic to a single PCI audio card. Audio throughput largely rides the card’s own DMA, not bulk disk I/O over the slot. “PCI Express”.

What edge cases should I expect with audio cards behind a bridge?

Drivers may not enumerate correctly behind some bridge chipsets. Power or IRQ routing can also cause dropouts. If you hit detection issues, reduce to one card, update drivers, and test another bridge model. When stability matters most, replace the motherboard. [Elektroda, zen3x, post #16915797]

Can I just buy an adapter and be done?

An adapter alone is not enough if it only changes the connector. You need a controller‑based bridge, not a passive piece. Several replies warned that signal translation is required for PCI↔PCIe. [Elektroda, szwagros, post #16914783]
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