Choosing Between SATEL and JABLOTRON 100 for a 150m2 House with Easy Expansion

Hello and welcome,

I would like to ask for help in choosing. I want to install an alarm system in a newly built house (by a company, not on my own). House 150 m2 ground floor, first floor and garage.

So far, I have visited two companies that install alarm systems and each of them offered me a different Satel or Jablotron offer.
I don`t know the pricing yet, so I`m not considering choosing based on price/cost at this point.
I am asking for your help and opinion on what is better to choose. The lady from Jablotron said that a big advantage is easy expansion, because everything can be run on cable "1", that I can always add something in a few years and there will be no need to repair the entire house. Apparently the operation is simple and you can "program" everything yourself, you don`t have to call the service for everything. In Satel, a separate cable from the control panel to each sensor? What`s better? What is your opinion? What does it look like when it comes to programming everything? Is it easy for me to add, remove or modify, for example, "zones" at home? Add or remove users etc? Which will be better for me as a client who wants to secure the house. I do not plan to control lasers, fountains or garden watering in the future. He wants to have a secured house.

I haven`t found a topic like this on the forum, there are a few in other threads, but no specific answer.

I will be very grateful for your advice and opinion. It will be great if you can write a better X because this and that.

Thanks in advance for your help.


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Jablotron, for example, has unusual batteries in all its equipment, so if it needs to be replaced, you will have to rely on them.

My opinion - I would do what my friend did in a similar house The Satel Integra 128 WRL control panel was chosen. The assumption was a standard alarm (in this case 6 sensors, all wired - laying the cables was not a problem), roller blinds control from the application level (connected through some module, I don`t know exactly which one) and finally, LED lighting control, also from the application level. application. In addition, three zones - ground floor, first floor and garage, and disarming the latter with a button from the remote control when opening the gate. Two wired keypads - ground floor and first floor. In addition, there is a wireless system in the control panel and it is a reliable system with the possibility of expansion.

And one more thing. What is the advantage of programming everything yourself? I consider this a very big disadvantage - such things should be configured by an experienced person who knows how it works, not the user. I will tell you that I saw the configuration of the mentioned Integra. And when it seemed to me that I could handle it without any major problems, I realized that I was right - it seemed to me.

siewcu wrote:

Jablotron, for example, has unusual batteries in all its equipment, so if it needs to be replaced, you will have to rely on them.

I`m only considering the fully wired option, so the battery issue doesn`t bother me.

I would go for something like I wrote to you - the topic was considered on a very similar example, but it was also about controlling the blinds (e.g. lowering when arming) and about the garage as a separate zone for separate disarming/arming, also from the remote control - it`s a bit stupid to enter the house and disarm the alarm to drive the car into the garage.

MasaMasowski wrote:

The lady from Jablotron said that a big advantage is the easy expansion, because everything can be run on the "1" cable, that I can always add something in a few years and there will be no need to repair the entire house.
Thanks in advance for your help.

What if this one cable gets damaged?
In the case of other control panels, one specific circuit stops working, and then all devices located downstream of the bus damage site stop working.
Apart from Jablotron and Satel, there are some other devices on the market.

Hello
Buddy, in your case the main factor when choosing equipment will be price.
Satel and Jablotron products are good and completely sufficient to protect your home.
I would pay more attention to the experience and reputation of the company that will perform this installation for you.
And when it comes to ease of use and programming, it all depends on your knowledge and skills.


There was a period of time when Satel released a whole series of faulty control panels, I haven`t heard anything like that about Jablotron.
The question is what is the ratio of the produced units to the number of defective units.

Regards

norbert.s. wrote:

Jablotron 100 runs on a bus, so you can cover the entire house in one loop, but you can also do a traditional installation for safety.

I realize this, my statement was about "The Lady from Jablotron"
Of course, the traditional installation will be safer and more universal, but I suspect that after the words of "the lady from Jablotron", there may be specialists who will run around the entire house with one cable.

alster1 wrote:

I realize this, my statement was about "The Lady from Jablotron"
Of course, the traditional installation will be safer and more universal, but I suspect that after the words of the "Jablotron lady" there may be specialists who will run around the entire house with one cable.

So if I chose Jablotron, would I require each sensor separately from the control panel?

The second thing, Gentlemen, is how often does a failure of a pipe flooded in the wall occur? I haven`t heard of old installations catching fire in old blocks of flats - I`ve heard that this can happen, but it hasn`t happened to anyone I know.

what are the advantages of one or the other solution. I honestly still don`t know what to choose.
What about setting zones? Are there any limitations or problems with one or the other? can I set that at night, for example, the reed switches worked but the PIR did not? Is this possible in both?

norbert.s. wrote:

What nonsense. Why are you cluttering up the thread as a dilettante who saw your friend programming Integra?

So I understand that you know better than people who make a living by selling alarm systems from various manufacturers and installers, who are professionals (and nowhere did I write that my friend programmed it - and even if he did, I may have friends who are installers). Besides, I don`t know why you`re bringing up this thread, since it`s about wired installation, it`s nice that you insult people you have no idea what they do (because I may as well be a person from the industry).

alster1 wrote:

there may be specialists who will cover the entire house with one cable

Yes, but not all installers will distribute the cabling, and prices may vary - this must be agreed with the potential contractor, or he or she should hand over the matter to a security agency and be done with it. They will come, connect and the problem will be solved - but the prices vary, they are not always much exaggerated.

MasaMasowski wrote:

So if I chose Jablotron, would I require each sensor separately from the control panel?

The second thing, Gentlemen, is how often does a failure of a pipe flooded in the wall occur? I haven`t heard of old installations catching fire in old blocks of flats - I`ve heard that this can happen, but it hasn`t happened to anyone I know.

what are the advantages of one or the other solution. I honestly still don`t know what to choose.
What about setting zones? Are there any limitations or problems with one or the other? can I set that at night, for example, the reed switches worked but the PIR did not? Is this possible in both?

If I were to install it in a new house, I would put a separate cable for each sensor.

Spontaneous failures of cables in the wall do not occur, but it sometimes happens that someone damages the cable at a later stage, during renovation work, hanging cabinets, drilling for dowels, etc. It also happened that plasterers damaged the cable during work, and this only happened when the installation was started. , i.e. ready-made walls.

There is no problem with zone settings, practically all "serious" systems allow it.

As for the bus (Jablotron), you are limited to specific sensors cooperating with a specific control panel. In the case of a system such as Satel, you have complete freedom in choosing sensors, which translates into appearance and prices.

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siewcu wrote:

Yes, but not all installers will distribute the cabling, and prices vary - this must be agreed with the potential contractor, or he or she should pass the matter on to a security agency and get the matter over with. They will come, connect and the issue will be solved - but the prices vary, they are not always much exaggerated.

What kind of installers are these who won`t do the cabling? So what are they doing?
With your last sentences about the security agency, you have sufficiently demonstrated your knowledge on the subject, I won`t even refer to the beginning of your statement to my colleague norbert.s, because it`s a waste of writing.

Let me add something:

alster1 wrote:

If I were to install it in a new house, I would put a separate cable for each sensor.

In the case of plans to install the installation yourself, you must take into account that it is easy to plan, but only apparently. Unfortunately, it is a lot of work, you need to carefully consider possible cable routes and calculate the length with a margin on both sides. In addition, take into account the fact that, taking into account the future expansion of the installation, it is worth running some of the installations in conduits if possible (I managed to do this between the riser and the garage and between the switchboard and the electrical switchboard), this will make the work easier. It will also be useful to have photos showing where the wires go... It seemed simple to me (in the case of the installation at my friend`s place, I did it), but it turned out to be much more complicated than I expected. I am leaving aside financial issues here, because the company would charge quite a bit for installing such an installation In total, there were probably 300 m of various cables (6 detectors, 2 manipulators, 5 roller shutters, 6 boxes for LED lighting + control for each point).

alster1 wrote:

appearance and prices

Here`s an example of a gadget They installed a detector with LED lighting in the hall, which is a nice thing - you enter the room with plastic bags in your teeth and a child in your arms, but instead of looking for a light switch and laying everything out on the floor, there is some small lighting, which, contrary to appearances, is useful.

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alster1 wrote:

What kind of installers are these who won`t do the cabling? So what are they doing?

Imagine that some people have so much work that they would rather outsource the pulling of cables throughout the house to someone else than do it themselves, because they can earn more at that time in another location.

As for one cable, everything is in a loop.
Isn`t it good for e.g. expansion in the future? I`m asking as a completely green person. Now I want this and that, and in x years maybe I will want a controlled chocolate fountain? It just seems to me that an alarm is supposed to be an alarm. What`s the point of controlling the alarm if the keypad is supposed to be at the entrance? I won`t run to the vestibule to control the blinds.
If we have it in the loop, I understand that there may be a cable running from the detector somewhere to the new one, so for example the renovation is only a part of the apartment next to Satel, if that`s what I mean, from the control panel to the sensor, so the whole thing needs to be renovated?

I honestly still don`t know As I wrote, I don`t know the prices yet, from what I understand Jablotron is more expensive, but is it much more expensive?
Tough decision Can you also do everything with Satel via the application?

norbert.s. wrote:

You didn`t understand anything.

Can you do something more?

norbert.s. wrote:

Yes, I see that you are excited and basically decided on the Jablotron 100 and now you are just looking for confirmation of a good choice. Yes, from a technical point of view it is a good choice.
Regards.

hehe I`m not determined about anything, I`m really looking for the best solution for my home

The first thing is, do you have a knowledgeable installer? Because from what you wrote, you met a sales representative who talked to you, not an installer, because no self-respecting installer would probably tell a customer that this or that control panel is better because you can program it yourself.
I advise you to avoid the above-mentioned security agencies when it comes to installing alarm systems.

Of the two mentioned, I would choose Integra Satela. More popular, easier to find an installer, great possibilities of adapting the system to the facility and user.
Of course, if you have a proven Jablotron installer, it will also fulfill its function.

As for the cables - device - control panel, as for comparisons, the Hundred can only be compared to the integrated, the application is better than the Jablotron, cloud support, SMS monitoring, control favors the Apple, but in terms of price the integrated will be better. The principle of operation is the same, the operation seems to be more interesting with the Jablotron, and the notifications are also more interesting with the Jablotron. What speaks in favor of the integration is that you can connect practically any sensor, in Jablotron you have to use an additional module that you place in the detector or a module that supports analog sensors. In the case of expansion in the future, even wirelessly, I would not risk it with integration. Jablotron still reigns supreme in wireless at the moment.
As for batteries, I would like to inform you that along with the Oasis, batteries that cost a lot and looked like ordinary sticks have gone away. The hundred uses regular AA batteries.

kood wrote:

the control panel is better because you can program it yourself.

That`s how I described it, she didn`t say that :)

kood wrote:

I advise you to avoid the above-mentioned security agencies when it comes to installing alarm systems.

I didn`t even consider it

Gutek1512 wrote:

the application is better than the Jablotron, cloud support, SMS monitoring, control speaks for the Jablotron... the operation seems more interesting to me from the Jablotron, the notifications are also somehow better from the Jablotron.

This is probably important because this is what I use, the rest on the walls are maintenance-free, right?

Gutek1512 wrote:

In the case of expansion in the future, even wirelessly, I would not risk it with integration. Jablotron still reigns supreme in wireless at the moment.

It seems to me that once they get it right, I won`t expand it.

MasaMasowski wrote:

This is probably important because this is what I use, the rest on the walls are maintenance-free, right?

what my colleague Gutek describes are probably subjective feelings, you also have manipulators on the wall that are not maintenance-free. Some distributors have assembled sets at exhibitions, you can have fun, look at them and choose what suits you best. Jablotron has a poor design of manipulators and detectors, but this is also a subjective opinion, as I wrote, it is best to see it for yourself, because some people like it, others like it differently.

kood wrote:

Some distributors have assembled sets at exhibitions, you can have fun, look at them and choose what suits you best. Jablotron has a poor design of manipulators and detectors, but this is also a subjective opinion, as I wrote, it is best to see it for yourself because some people like it, others like it differently

brilliant, thanks for the tip ;)

Do you have a different opinion when it comes to managing/controlling (I don`t know how correctly) these online alarms?

Jablotron`s phone application looks better, but when it comes to manipulators, there is a gap between satellite and Jablotron.

for example from YouTube:

jablotron:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1tVSvfJkhw

satellite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvmoyGrEgPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozf1mhHVkrc&t=3s

kood wrote:

Jablotron`s phone application looks better, but when it comes to manipulators, there is a gap between satellite and Jablotron.

for example from YouTube:

jablotron:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1tVSvfJkhw

satellite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvmoyGrEgPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozf1mhHVkrc&t=3s

Very nice. There really is a difference. I just keep asking myself whether it`s worth spending over 1k on something like this? From what I understand, the manipulator is supposed to be close to the exit, i.e. in the vestibule? So what`s the point of controlling the house from the vestibule? Could it be in the living room? I don`t know anything about this at all, so please give me some advice.

MasaMasowski wrote:

From what I understand, the manipulator is supposed to be close to the exit, i.e. in the vestibule?

There are usually 2 or 3 manipulators. The first one at the entrance, the second one near the bedroom to equip the night zone, the third one in the garage.

The question is whether you need just a simple alarm or a system extended to control lighting, electricity, ventilation, automation, etc.
A number of other detectors can be connected to the alarm, such as a flood detector which will cut off the water in the building through a solenoid valve after detecting a water leak, a gas or CO detector and a solenoid valve can cut off the gas in the building after detecting a gas/carbon monoxide leak and, for example, start the ventilation, a smoke detector will wake up the household members by activating the internal siren if smoke is detected, etc.

Regarding keypads, Satel with TSI definitely wins, but you have to consider whether 1k + programming cost (graphics, function buttons, etc.) is worth the money. You mentioned that you will not control home automation such as blinds, heating, garden watering, so spend PLN 1,700 for a keypad on which you will arm the zones. - in my opinion, it makes no sense. By the way (KLCD) Satela is also not impressive
Personally, I also think that such a topic on the forum will give you more questions than answers.
Each manufacturer will praise their product and the installer will recommend the system he installs most often because it will be easier for him to install it.

For me, when it comes to securing a house with several zones and controlling the system via applications, Satel can handle it as well.
The hardware and standards are the same, it`s just a matter of your taste.
To sum up
The most important issue is the method of installation, a well-made system guarantees peace of mind for years

Regards

I also have a question for you: on the floor where there are 4 rooms and there will be reed switches in the windows, or can I give PIR only to the corridor to which all the doors open? I will add that there is no balcony.

MasaMasowski wrote:

I also have a question for you: on the floor where there are 4 rooms and there will be reed switches in the windows, or can I give PIR only to the corridor to which all the doors open? I will add that there is no balcony.

Are these ideas given to you by the company that will install the alarm, or did you come up with them yourself? Because if it`s the former, change the company.