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Correct BMS 5S 100A Connection Diagram: P- Lead Use & Combining Charging/Power Connectors

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How should a 5S 100A BMS be wired when I want the screwdriver load and the charger to use the same connector, and what is the P- terminal for?

P- is the protected negative terminal for the pack/output, and on boards with separate C and P connections, C is used for charging while P is used for the load/discharge side [#17390697][#21247312] If you want one connector for both charging and use, you can tie P and C together; one reply reports that leaving them separate gives 80A while combining them gives 60A, with 100A instantaneous current [#21247312] The board is described as a protection circuit against deep discharge, overcharge, and excessive current, not a real balancer [#17137510][#17137788] For series lithium cells, a proper CC/CV charger with balancing is recommended rather than relying on the PCB for balancing [#17137780][#17137788]
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  • #1 17137419
    DejayPablo
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    Hello, which BMS 5S 100A connection diagram is correct?
    what is the lead P- for?
    I would like charging and power to be on the same connectors, it is about mounting it in the battery for the screwdriver.
    Correct BMS 5S 100A Connection Diagram: P- Lead Use & Combining Charging/Power Connectors Correct BMS 5S 100A Connection Diagram: P- Lead Use & Combining Charging/Power Connectors
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  • #2 17137510
    Freddy
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    This is only a cell protection, not a balancer.
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  • #3 17137520
    DejayPablo
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    Freddy wrote:
    This is only a cell protection, not a balancer.

    So how to safely charge them?
    the best balancer?
    what's the point? Charger / Load?
    There is a Balance Charging Board in the description
    Does anyone have a manual for this?
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  • #4 17137780
    Freddy
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    Lithium cells connected in series are only charged using a charger with a balancer - check the forum, there were already topics about this problem and you should find a solution there.
    If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.
  • #5 17137788
    krzysiek_krm
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    Hello,
    with a bordering probability it is certainly a "secondary protection" system, which protects the cells against deep discharge, overcharging and excessive current.
    DejayPablo wrote:
    There is a Balance Charging Board in the description

    It is quite possible, but in such PCBs balancing is quite often done in an extremely idiotic way, probably only to be able to write "there is balancing of cells".
    DejayPablo wrote:
    So how to safely charge them?
    the best balancer?

    If the balancing on the PCB is fictitious, it's best to throw it out at all. For charging, you should use a specialized charger (CC / CV) with parameters appropriate for your cells. The charger should have a balancing that will function reasonably.
    DejayPablo wrote:
    what's the point? Charger / Load?

    Probably yes, it is difficult to say without a pattern.
    DejayPablo wrote:
    Does anyone have a manual for this?

    It is rather a dream of a severed head. You can try to search on the web, maybe someone recreated the diagram from the board.
    You may as well recreate the scheme from the tile yourself. The circuit is quite simple (the cell protection circuits just have to be simple hardware circuits), the detection circuits are usually quite typical (Ricoh, Seiko), the documentation is available on the web. The transistors are also rather typical (probably n-mosfets), connected in parallel to obtain a higher allowable current.

    best regards
  • #6 17387210
    zeecik
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    I have the same problem and I don't know if charging and consumption go separately or together --- what's the deal with C and P ???
  • #7 17390697
    DejayPablo
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    zeecik wrote:
    I have the same problem and I don't know if charging and consumption go separately or together --- what's the deal with C and P ???

    You can charge and download via C, I have it connected and it works, it loads very well.
    It seems to me that P is for this, if you wanted to charge and use the device at the same time, there is P.
  • #8 17391165
    W.P.
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    Can you share photos (in good resolution) of both sides of the board?
  • #9 17391449
    zeecik
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    For me, this module is probably burnt, I connected the screwdriver earlier, after a while I connected to the charging under imax b6 and it ended that the cells are charged (these are sony vtc6) but the output to the screwdriver is 15v. The whole package is charged to 20.2v
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  • #10 21247312
    78db78
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    If you connect P and C together you will have 60A, and if you separate P and C it will be 80A, instantaneous 100A.

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The discussion revolves around the correct connection diagram for a BMS (Battery Management System) configured for 5S 100A applications, specifically addressing the use of the P- lead and the integration of charging and power connectors. Participants clarify that the P- lead is likely intended for simultaneous charging and discharging, while emphasizing the importance of using a specialized charger with balancing capabilities for lithium cells. Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of the balancing on the PCB, with suggestions to verify the circuit design or recreate it if necessary. Additionally, there are inquiries about the implications of connecting P and C leads together versus separately, affecting the current capacity. Users also share experiences with specific battery models, such as Sony VTC6, and the outcomes of their connections.
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