[Solved] 150 Mbit Coaxial Internet + TV: Can It Work? Speeds, New Equipment, & Possible Slowdowns

Hello, as in the subject.
I am moving into a new apartment - a fresh developer and of course I have a lot of offers on TV and Internet.

One offer is very nice, but there is one but. The Internet does not fly on optical fiber or twisted pair, but on a good concentrate.
The supplier swears that it will be 150 Mbit / s - are such speeds on the coaxial possible? They claim that they have fresh, new equipment that will provide such speeds even with TV on the same cable.

The whole package of cables (2 twisted pairs, 2 coaxials, optical fiber) enters the apartment, but they provide TV + internet service on one coaxial cable.

Currently, I have a TV + 60Mbit / su of this operator where I live now (block, large plate, 15 floors) and in fact 70% of the time is 60 Mbit / s, the remaining 30% of the time is 20 - 30 Mbit / s - especially when the cut is on Saturday / Sunday - hence my fears that the internet will slow down to 30 Mbit / s.
Of course, it may be so, and it probably is, that from me to the cabinet at the bottom there is a coaxial cable, and from the building there is copper or light. I am only afraid of the section between the apartment and the basement (apartment on the 4th floor with 4 floors), the shafts are in the apartments, and there are no boxes on the way, the cable runs from the basement to my apartment along the shaft.

Alternatively, I have Orange and Netia 100/300/900 Mbit / s fiber optics, but their offer even with 100 Mbit / s light from the TV is 2x more expensive than that of the local provider.

If it's a cable operator, it can easily do it. The concert is all the way from the headend to your apartment, or from the nearest amplifier to your apartment. I don't know what shafts are
This is not the kind of concentrator that was used in the past for the "BNC" network - it must have been max 10mbps. If you want, read about the DOCSIS standard - you probably have version 3.0. In my case, after a gig with cable, I get 250 mbps and I have no problems with performance.

Theoretically possible (depends on the type of concentration and standard). Ask your neighbors maybe they already have one.

The optical fiber runs from the CMTS headend to the building, and only from the box in the building containing the optical node does the network spread over coaxial cables. This technology enables transfer speeds of 250Mb / s and more, depending on the standards and devices used.

Okay, I'm a bit calmer now and I think I'll choose this operator.
And how is the comfort of use compared to optical fibers? You know, transfer is transfer, but how about pings, packet loss, stability? Will it be similar to the light or the twisted pair?

wkexe wrote:

And how is the comfort of use compared to optical fibers? You know, transfer is transfer, but how about pings, packet loss, stability? Will it be similar to the light or the twisted pair?

There shouldn't be any noticeable difference.

wkexe wrote:

but like pings, packet loss, stability?

You will get a Compal hardware - read about the PUMA6 problem, it loses packets, high pings.
Generally it's a crap, not a modemorouter.
I'll warn you right away - there is no other equipment for internet over 500 Mb.
There may be other equipment (used) but the max internet connection will then be only 250 Mb.

wkexe wrote:

And how is the comfort of use compared to optical fibers?

EuroDOCSIS - it is only a form of providing internet to the premises.
There is no difference in using this and no other medium that supplies internet to the premises.

wkexe wrote:

Currently I have a TV + 60Mbit / su of this operator where I live now (large plate block, 15 floors) and in fact 70% of the time is 60 Mbit / s, the remaining 30% of the time is 20 - 30 Mbit / s - especially when it is cut on Saturday / Sunday - hence my fears that the internet will slow down to 30 Mbit / s.

Did you report it to the supplier? Remember that cable TV has it that several people are plugged in on one cable, so if two of your neighbors start downloading all the internet, you have a transfer. Increasing the situation package will not change report a crash and you will see what happens. Only after removing it, consider extending the contract.

wkexe wrote:

Alternatively, I have Orange and Netia 100/300/900 Mbit / s fiber optics, but their offer even with 100 Mbit / s light from the TV is 2x more expensive than that of the local provider.

If you have a fiber optic from netia available then I would definitely go this way.

jurek.adam wrote:

There are other modems, Vectra gives such modems up to 600 Mb / s.

Vectra can and does, UPC Polska cannot and there is nothing to hope for the Author, because he will not receive such equipment anyway.

jurek.adam wrote:

Compala fell in love with UPC and they have it for their own.

Here they will specify - they fell in love with this equipment only at UPC Polska, other branches of UPC in a given country received ARRIS (this equipment looks the same from the outside as Compal and only the external similarity ends this similarity).

seb235 wrote:

If you have a fiber optic from netia available then I would definitely go this way.

But from the operator's equipment to the subscriber's equipment, the ordinary twisted pair goes anyway.

jurek.adam wrote:

Because when using twisted pair, I do not see any advantage over the coaxial cable.

Exactly - no advantage.

seb235 wrote:

Remember that cable TV has it that several people are plugged in on one cable, so if two of your neighbors start downloading all the internet, you have a transfer.

And with optical fiber it is like, each subscriber from the apartment has his own fiber all the way to Warsaw? - no, so the transfer will drop in the light as well, because everything goes in and out with the same fiber, moreover, from the operator's side, an overhead is set for a given location, so the optical fiber does not guarantee uninterrupted work at all (just read the Orange forum and read the opinions " satisfied "customers with this fiber of theirs).

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

But from the operator's equipment to the subscriber's equipment, the ordinary twisted pair goes anyway.

And from the media converter or ONT what goes? Ordinary twisted pair

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

And with optical fiber it is like, each subscriber from the apartment has his own fiber all the way to Warsaw? - no, so the transfer will drop in the light as well, because everything goes in and out with the same fiber, what's more, from the operator's side an overhead is set for a given location, so the optical fiber does not guarantee uninterrupted work

In the case of GPON, and this is how most ISP clients connect, you have your own fiber from the apartment to the first splitter, then up to 128 clients are connected to this fiber. And yes, the transpfer will drop because the GPON port has a capacity of 2.5 / 1.25 Gb / s and today links are sold almost under 1 Gb / s

jurek.adam wrote:

And Netia brings the light directly to the premises, or only to the box, and then via a network cable? Because when using twisted pair, I do not see any advantage over the coaxial cable.

Strange. Seriously? Don't take it as a personal attack, but you believed the advertisement a bit too much. The twisted pair gives you a certain 1Gb / s to the provider's device, the hubs will not provide you with that in any way. I have the impression that most people confuse the optical fiber known from operator class connections to those connected to an individual customer. There is no benefit for the customer in the whole FTTH, here the suppliers cut costs, the customer has exactly the same service.

seb235 wrote:

And from the media converter or ONT what goes? Ordinary twisted pair

So where is the advantage of optical fiber?
The last 10 m is always a twisted pair.

seb235 wrote:

And yes, the transpfer will drop because

So still where's the advantage of fiber optics?

Optical fiber is just a marketing decoy and nothing else

seb235 wrote:

The twisted pair gives you a certain 1Gb / s to the provider's device, the hubs will not provide you with that in any way.

The newly introduced ED 3.1 full duplex standard on this backward coaxial cable offers 10 Gb in each direction.

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

Optical fiber is just a marketing decoy and nothing else

This was what I was headed for But people catch advertising "the whole family can use it without fear of drop in transfer; speed of light" etc ...

jurek.adam wrote:

Large cable cables have been connecting their points with optical fibers for a long time, a coaxial cable goes to the apartments.

Yes, but in the meantime, it is usually divided between the neighbors in individual cages, and then a problem arises. Just like you linked "1200Mbit / s download and 240Mbit / s upload", so the concentrator does not offer the same as twisted pair. If you divide 1200Mb / s by 3 neighbors, you have 400Mb / s per head. In the case of ETTH networks, everyone has a certain 1Gb / s to the switch regardless of the neighbors. Switches usually have a 10Gb / s fiber connection, so here the problem is quite small. Cable networks have the greatest overbooking compared to the rest of the technology.

jurek.adam wrote:

Speaking of 1 Gb / s lines, cable cables integrate DPoE technology with GPON, but have no incentive to provide these services where they are not forced to do so by their competitors.

The available technology and devices are one thing, the operation of the network and the availability of operators in a given location are another story. A telephone cable can also be used to provide 200 - 300Mb / s lines without any problems, but companies do not want to go there because of costs, infrastructure, number of potential customers, population density, etc ... 1 (on the netia line) or GPON from a local provider with tariffs up to 600Mb / s. The choice I have to make is less bad, or poor bitrate in the case of netia or GPON from a locally operating company that somehow works and somehow does not equal quality in this case. Even if I would like to pay the 100 PLN / month for a normally operating 50Mb / s link, I have no one to do with.

Coming back to the topic, I have a very positive experience with netia and their internet connection, you know the bit rate was poor, but in everyday use the network was smooth.

jurek.adam wrote:

I am not against optical fibers, quite the opposite. Personally, I would take an optical fiber, but pulled to the premises and with a decent upload. There are companies that have such offers, which are worth a lot more than HFC lines. But Netia / Orange is a mass production with a small upload, like most large cable TVs, so why overpay.

As far as I know, Netia gives 50Mb / s upload.

As for the providers who offered symmetrical links, they probably did not get a good opinion, because you will not get a good opinion.

jurek.adam wrote:

The problem is that virtually all operators save sharply on it.

In my opinion, this saving works both ways. On the one hand, I understand the operator wants to buy cheaply and sell expensive - this is how every company works. It is only a one-way route, I chose the cheapest subscription when changing the provider to test the service so as not to overpay in case it turns out to be bad. (You can always increase the commitment - you can not reduce it anymore) The service turned out to be, to put it mildly, not very satisfactory, so the increase never happened - a loss of cash for the operator. If there are more such customers, they run away from a lot of money just because the customer is not satisfied and does not want to pay more. Cutting costs, in my opinion, also cuts income.

By following the forums, you can also see the dependence that people are more likely to pay Orange, Netia, UPC and a large supplier, in turn, the local ones take the cheapest the smallest packages. I can pay the 70-80 PLN / month, but if I get stuck at this price, sorry great.

I can see that the topic has flared to the max .

In general, I have a single concentration from the basement to each apartment - there are only 4 floors and shafts, i.e. risers, run directly in the apartments - there is no option to install something on the way or share a link - one cable for several apartments, and when it is something, one such cable is divided into up to 4 flats because this is how much is vertical. I have a whole set of cables in my apartment, i.e. as I wrote 2 terminals - 1 from the basement, 2 from the antenna on the roof, two cat.5 twisted pairs and an optical fiber terminated with a socket.

As I wrote, I have the options of Netia + Orange with light to the apartment itself or just a third operator, but for internet and TV in concentrate (Orange and Netia TV via the Internet).
The offer I got from this third operator simply beats Orange and Netia - an offer only for new subscribers and on the occasion that my block is fresh and new - they are fighting for a client - a contract for 18 months, a full TV package including Canal Plus , Axyny, etc. - their best package is normally for PLN 140 + net 150 Mb / s for PLN 60 - for PLN 70 for the entire period.

I was just afraid that this concentration would not pull 150 mbit / s, but if you write that I can do it, I take it without thinking . The contract is signed in my apartment (they do not have such an offer at the points of sale, the caretaker of the given area comes to me) and if it turns out, he is sneezing.

Thank you very much for the answers, they helped me a lot.

There is no such thing as a district or building caretaker. He is an ordinary trader who will serve you until the contract is signed. Then any problems are transferred to the service.
As for the quality of service, it all depends on the quality of the signal. If the so-called "developer" installation was made by professionals (which I sincerely doubt when walking on such installations), everything should work out.

Okay, thanks for the answers and thanks for your help. Concentrated internet contract signed - 150 mbit (150/15) iiiii .... I have 150 and 15 like he shot, without any stuttering, on sites like speedtest ping of 14 - 15 ms, the transfer does not go down from those 150 , maybe because I am the only client on the estate for now . Modem docsis 3.0.

A favorable turbo offer (available only in my housing estate and probably every new housing estate they enter - you know - competition) - for PLN 92 per month 150 mbit / s net + everything they have available on TV (all Canal +, Cinemaxy, Filmoboxes, nature, sports full package ).

There were a few technical problems, but we managed to fix everything and the net is nice - the net routed around the apartment on the 1000 lan router, because of course wifi even 300 mbit / s (both router and pc have 300 cards) did not show 150 even 1 m from the router, so everything is on the cable (but that's what I assumed from the beginning, of course). Now only some of us and I can die peacefully