Setting Up FAAC 414 with E045 Control Panel: SO Flashing and Wing Closure Issues

Hello

I hope nobody accuses me of writing another FAAC 414 topic

For several days I have been studying the forum, ITD assembly instructions, today I finally sat down on the assembly, I thought that I already know everything, unfortunately life has shown that it is not. But to the point:
I used the hints from the forum

albertiniw wrote:

pilot ok, I do it one by one but the setup continues to flash SO, should I not close and open the wings first (how to do it?), how to perform a quick setup? in the instructions it is not as clearly described as it might seem, will anyone help?
Well, I will tell the next users not to get tired, so everything that is in the instructions (at the beginning) is not important, because why to set the photocells as in the standard are turned off (no) or change to automation step by step or other bullshit if the drive does not move anyway, the most important thing is to go to page 26 and there we should enter EL / -R2 in order to completely close the wing No. M2, then + R1 completely close the wing M1. If everything is correct at this point, then the cables are well connected. Then press - / R2 and + / R1 simultaneously for 3-4 seconds and the wing number M1 opens, prepare yourself either a switch or a piece of wire to short the ground (16) to 9. After reaching the wing for the stop we give a shorting 16 to 9, then on the display lights S2 and the same situation with the second wing. after each bounce we give impulse to mass (16 - 9), finally write Y.

Earlier I fired:

208885 wrote:

jumper terminal 16 of 11, pics for programming will not be initially needed, if you press F, wait until df is displayed, release the switch F, + and minus change the value, F select options - after df go to LO - set to A, then PA , you set the time after which the gate is to close, then Nn, number of motors, in this case 2, then F1 - thrust force of motor No. 1, F2 - thrust force of motor No. 2, En - turn the encoder on the motor or turn off, Cd - delay wings when closing, bu - no photos yet, so no, N2, N1 by default, tl also - St - save settings, Yes, after saving it should come alive - there is still the possibility to set default - if you want to have default settings, just press F, after a moment df will be displayed, confirm yes and should start - good luck.

And then the pilot:

208885 wrote:

Plus R1 for longer, about 5 seconds, when the red LED lights up on the right side and starts blinking, on the remote control you press the 2 extreme buttons, the lower left and upper right, for a moment - the red led starts flashing and press the remote control button on which you want to have control . Press the button twice after a moment to open - the LED openA will blink twice. Then you can save the same for the partial opening button.

Everything fired perfectly, unfortunately
1. Photocells that are to protect against clamping the car through the gates work completely the opposite - after cutting the beam close the gate
2. After a few minutes and several attempts to close the gate openingfrom the actuator power setting remote control - the remote control stopped working, I tried to add another as described above and unfortunately nothing. 4 channel 868 MHz FAAC remote control
3. The gate was still working, detecting an obstacle when closing or opening, continued without stopping

Dear Sirs HELP ???

I think I'm too stupid for that ......

1. Either you have reverse actuators connected (test - when detecting positions, the gate should be absolutely closed and the first move should be opening, similarly - the first move after turning on the power should be opening) or - if you have two-cable photos connected to the BUS2EASY connector - with their jumpers set to open and set them to close - see instructions.
2. The procedure for adding a remote control is clearly essayed in the instructions - for starters there.
3. In the basic version the set has no obstacle detection on the wings and as you write - "tugs" into them, you can only set the force of the wings.
For the anti-crushing function to work - you need to retrofit the actuators with two-wire encoders for the BUS2EASY bus (it seems to be called SafeCoder in commerce) and additionally enable this function in the simple menu.

Well, let me draw the topic further:

FAAC SAFECODER - a small, easy-to-install device, can be installed with the drive already installed. After proper adjustment, it is an additional complement to our automation set, increasing the safety and functionality of the popular FAAC 414 drive. Thanks to SAFE CODER, even a child bicycle left in the path of the gate leaf is completely safe - the arm, after encountering an obstacle, changes the direction of movement and returns to the starting position. SAFE CODER eliminates the need to install bumpers, which is important especially on steep climbs. The principle of its operation is very simple. After encountering an obstacle, the engine changes - SAFE CODER sends a signal that retracts the gate leaf.

Is that how it works ?? No bumpers are needed> ?? In the store when buying the sets I did not get any information about such a thing and this eliminates many of my problems.

As for security - that's how it works. The encoder detects the speed change of the wings when it encounters an obstacle and reverses them. Sensitivity can be set in a separate menu item.
As for the end positions - the situation - in relation to attempts to set them at the same time - without an encoder - almost impossible) - is dramatically improved but still the solution with reflection is the best. While at the opening you can already drop positions on the encoders without bumpers, at the closing there will always be slight inaccuracies in the setting, and there will be minimal gate looseness, not tensioned on the stop (it will always minimally telep). So if you can, use a door stop on the closing and the possibility of controlling the end positions only by encoders, treat them as a last resort (in the case of complete lack of the possibility of mounting the central "plug").

On the other hand, this "small device" has quite a price, and you need 2 additional wires for the actuators.

And this is where I get a problem .... Lack of information about such a device caused that I am no longer able to drag additional wiring in pipes and I think I will have to let go. Unfortunately, I can't do without a service technician .... I'm doing something somewhere wrong because I can't get through the configuration ...... The remotes don't talk, they don't want to configure themselves, etc.
one more problem appeared, despite the fact that the gate is quite solid made of steel profiles, the actuators are strong enough to bend the elements despite being set to the minimum power .......

As for configuration - maybe you do not need a service technician just practice electronics from the neighborhood ... On the other hand, if the author had little experience with electronics in general and gate controllers in particular, at the very beginning it was advisable to look for a kumaty colleague.
As for bending the gate - Faace 414 (and similar - Beninca Bob, DTM 400) are powerful cylinders for medium and heavy gates, not toys from cold-formed profiles. Several times I wrote in the forum that using 414 for decorative light wings is like shooting a mosquito cannon. In addition, as they have 230 V motors - they have quite limited power control.
Small 24 V actuators (e.g. Nice Wingo 2024) or shoulder frames fit into the light gate ....
It is possible to reduce the forces on the gate supports to the maximum by increasing the mounting dimensions of the post supports - but more information about the existing gate could be used.

Hello gentlemen .. excuse me for connecting this way but I'm not very active on the electrode ...
Installs a complete faac set with one servomotor and e045 switchboard. I need to connect an electric lock that will stop before the wing opens.
Unfortunately, the output from the switchboard is 24V with a 12V clip. Can I use a 24V car relay in connectors J9 18 and J11 21 to overload the voltage from the power supply 12 to the lock ???
Is there another possibility?
greetings

I have a question:
In the E045 control panel, it is possible to program the places where the gate should theoretically stop. Is it possible to start a programming mode in which you can program the slowdowns with a remote control? In older control panels there was probably such a possibility and here is only a quick setup mode and the slowdowns themselves somehow adjust themselves.

The second question is whether it is possible to unscrew the actuator and lock it so that when opening the gate, the actuator folds to a specific place and blocks the gate? Then I would not have to install fenders on the open gate,

1. It is possible to regulate decelerations - advanced functions r1 and r2.
2. Turning the piston will do nothing. If you do not want bumpers very much - you need to select the mounting dimensions so that the actuators on the closure will go out to the end of the stroke (but it's hard to do it down to a millimeter, besides, such an assembly is acceptable, but not particularly recommended)

Hello, I have another problem with the set.

After setup, the gate works 100% as expected, the problem appears when the photocells are activated (set to close). When closing the beam, I interrupt the photo and the gate opens (and it should be), but the closure is not full anymore. After each operation, the photo is about 10-15 cm away from closing. After the second one, 10-15 cm again.
The only option left in this case for the gate to open and close fully is to run the setup again.
Currently, I have disconnected the photo and am looking for a solution. Has anyone ever encountered such a situation.

I am asking for help on the subject.

Did you try to give times with more margin in the setup? And you have to let the gate open to the end after the photos and it has to turn itself off.

Hi thanks for the answer. I haven't checked other times, but before I do this, please see the overview drawing below.



Of course, after the photo is triggered, I wait for the gate to fully open and only then send a close command.
If, after closing, I open it again and when closing it again causes the photo to work, the working window will shift by another 10-15 cm.

In my case, can the reason be the lack of limiters on the opening of the gate?

If you tried to set the opening only for times, then yes - the lack of bumps on the opening may cause these shifts.
Unfortunately, these air handling units count the times very imprecise and, in addition, they calculate incomplete strokes incorrectly. The only method for certain closing / opening is to give bump stops (or to choose the mounting dimensions of the actuators - but only at the opening - so that the maximum retraction of the actuator corresponds to the opening position. When closing, it is a game of millimeters) so that the wings have resistance at the ends of movement and add time reserves .

Thanks a lot for the tip.

pawelstempniak wrote:

Hello, I have another problem with the set.

After setup, the gate works 100% as expected, the problem occurs when the photocells work (set to close). When closing the beam, I interrupt the photo and the gate opens (and it should be), but the closure is no longer complete. After each action, the photo is missing about 10-15cm to close. After the second again 10-15cm.
The only option left in this case for the gate to open and close fully is to run the setup again.
I have now disconnected the photo and am looking for a solution. Has anyone encountered this situation before.

Please help me on the topic.

Have you been able to get anything done with this topic? I would not like to install limiters, for me it is some kind of cosmos that the system cannot calculate the time of movement of the wings. It does not subtract time correction. If I program the gate, it's ok, as soon as I enter the photo, the gate opens wider and then does not reach the limiter. Is it such a poorly made product?

This guy does (and not only this one). And even if he counted the times well (i.e. he didn't lose those 15 cm), still this counting is not precise enough to precisely synchronize the wings.
Note that even sets with 24V motors, which have incomparably greater precision and culture of movement than sets with 230V drives, almost always have a recommendation to use mechanical limiters (or have electric limiters).

In the case of FAAC, you have 2 options:
- or throw out the 414s and put on the 413s with the possibility of mounting internal travel stops (but they have a completely different look - they are covered cylinders, not telescopic ones and the stroke - 300mm instead of 400 as in the 414, so you will have to rearrange the brackets). But then you have 100% certainty that the wings will align at the closing.
- or equip the set with Safecoders - in addition to enriching the set's capabilities with anti-crushing, Supposedly (I have not had contact with them - I will not confirm it 100%), the control panel keeps the edges much more accurately - the equipment instead of working on times - works on angles. But it's only PLN 350 per side and additional 2 wires for each actuator.

Nice to hear helpful information. Yes, to my knowledge. Do the leaves open wider than the programmed position in each of the control panels after the beam of photocells is cut?
In this control panel, it is still possible to read the configuration file, but I do not know what the program is called.
Are there any products for sale, perhaps from another company that work better? Because I think that everyone would like the gate to close, I always have to.
Returning to the topic, it mounts the limiters for the opening and everything should be ok? When setting the position, should I extend the operation time of the actuators to compensate for these deviations? Alternatively, the time of this final "Pressure" can be extended. In general, how to program it to be decent. What to look for.

No maneuvers with blockades on the opening will not help 100% on the state on closing. After the photos are activated, the wings will stop on the blockades, but for the control panel it will not be a stop and the actuators will work on stopping for a while as if there were no such blockades. The closing situation will improve only to the extent that thanks to the blockades, the sashes will have a shorter closing path and maybe they will get closer to the assumed stop at closing. But do not count on the perfect alignment of the wings at the closing. The line will be guaranteed only by a bounce in the middle of the gate and a temporary reserve on the closing movement.
You can try to change the position of the wing brackets so that the maximum extension of the actuator coincides with the expected position of the wings on the closed gate - you will have, say, a simulation of the middle stop. I suggest attaching the wing brackets to the wings with screws with handles with holes "beans" - you will be able to micro-adjust the position of the wing stop.

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Do the leaves open wider than the programmed position in each of the control panels after the beam of photocells is cut?

Probably not (or at least - differently). I've never checked different types in this respect, and neither did the 414 - because we always mount them with a central bumper. Anyway, in the case of another type of automation - covered actuators - if it is not possible to mount the bumper in the middle, you can install adjustable limiters in the actuators themselves - and in the case of Faac 230V there is also such an option - instead of 414 actuators, use 413 actuators.

To sum up - it will be difficult to get the synchronization of the actuators at the closing only with maneuvers on the times and on the use of fenders at the opening. The only sure way is to use mechanical blockades, either in the form of a central bumper, or by setting the brackets' fastenings in such a way that the maximum extension will also be the closed position of the sash, or finally replacing the actuators with ones with built-in adjustable stops.

Thank you for your tips and valuable advice. I have the central reflection from the beginning and in the near future I will install the opening limiters. The gate must close properly.

If you have a stop in the middle - increase the closing time by a few seconds in advanced programming (i.e. mark the end stop point of each leaf about a second or two after they reach the stop). The switch itself adds about 2 seconds to the time, so you will get a total of 5 seconds of spare. The actuators will be fine if they hum for 5 seconds longer (so that it wouldn't be half a minute). And for a wider opening after photos - well, it's just bumpers (as above)

P.S. sorry for the comments about ripping at the closure and the middle stop - 3 people asked about it at once and I got the topics a bit mixed up.

S cool. Nothing happens. I would like to thank you very much for all your valuable advice.