No Hotbird 13E Signal in Norway: Digital Polsat Antenna Setup Issues, Schweiger Meter & Astra

Hello, I am trying to set up an antenna for a digital polsat in Norway and I have a big problem.
I installed the antenna in my new home after moving and the signal just went blank. The antenna is the same that previously worked and on which I received digital polsat for several years, the converter too (but to be sure I replaced the cable and converter with a new one).
I tried to set it myself because I cannot call a specialist: I set the elevation angle as it should be for my town (I also tried to set it higher and lower to no avail). I tried to catch the direction with a cheap meter, which showed something, but I did not know what satellite I was tracking and the decoder showed 0% all the time. Later I bought a better Schweiger meter, which shows what satellite I am tracking and it turned out that it got a good signal on the astra 5E and astra 19.2E and between nothing, literally minimal signal flashes. I made minimal movements when setting up, I literally moved the converter by 1mm and then tried again the same on the connected decoder and still nothing 0%. The trees do not cover (the astra would be more) the trees are about 3-4 m above the antenna at a distance of 15-20m so it's not really that. The neighbors have their antennas set to 0.8 thor and they take it away somehow and I don't even get it. Anyone have ideas what's going on? What am I doing wrong?

Here: link you have HB coverage maps. Maybe a larger antenna is needed in your location?

I have an even larger antenna, the local one (I think it has 70 cm) and it can pick up on other small Polish antennas. And the set-up movements were minimal and I didn't catch the hotbird. Both the 5E and 19.2E asters have a good signal

83pawel wrote:

I installed the antenna in a new home after moving

83pawel wrote:

The antenna is the same that worked before and on which I received digital polysat for several years

83pawel wrote:

literally minimal signal flashes

Moving carries the risk of damaging the antenna. A small deformation of the canopy is enough and you may have problems with the correct alignment of the antenna system.

Is there a chance it's because of the canopy? I could buy a new one tomorrow if it's in the store. So why do these asters perceive so well, and in a large range of motion? They have such a good signal?

Since there is HB range in those areas on the 70 and you don't have any obstacles in front of the antenna, you simply can't set it up.

I think the trees are blocking your signal.
From 5E to 19.2E is a big gap and you write that the trees are 3-4 meters above the antenna
and 15-20m away from it and it is still close.

It depends what region of Norway it is. In the south, the height of the obstacle should not exceed approx. 40% of its distance, and in the north - approx. 20% of the distance.

For me, the angle should be around 19 degrees. So after 15 m it is already over 5 m higher. And these trees are even more than 15m, from what I checked. I could cut them out, but I feel sorry for them because that is probably not the reason. And I wrote earlier that these trees cover the astra more. In the direction of 13E, they should cover even less and the astra has a strong signal.

Added after 15 [minutes]:

andpol 33 wrote:

Since there is HB range in those areas on the 70 and you don't have any obstacles in front of the antenna, you simply can't set it up.

It is highly probable that I cannot set it up, so please give me a hint here.
I would like to take a specialist for this, but I do not have such a possibility. If there is a fitter from Nord-Sterdal in Norway, I will gladly order the connection.

PewexM wrote:

you write that trees are 3-4 meters above the antenna
and 15-20m away from it a it is, however, close .

You write nonsense.
To the author.
Also change the angle of inclination. Do you have the canopy holder vertically or "by eye"?

I changed the slope angles gradually +1, + 2 and -1, -2 and made slow passes through the whole range, but then the signal from other satellites was even worse. 100% vertical handle. Now I think that maybe I actually have to buy a new antenna, but it will take time before I order a larger, unusual size and it will probably cost a bit.

83pawel wrote:

I changed the slope angles gradually +1, + 2 and -1, -2 and made slow passes through the whole range, but then the signal from other satellites was even worse. 100% vertical handle. Now I think that maybe I actually have to buy a new antenna, but it will take time before I order a larger, unusual size and it will probably cost a bit.

And you can't + - more than 2 °? When it receives another satellite, the antenna cannot be distorted.
What you bought to set up slowly, wait, move around.

When I was taking more than 2-3st. then he could hardly catch anything, so it seemed to me that maybe it didn't make sense.

I had the same thing after moving in Poland, how I set it on a belt
signal level on the TV. I think the large inertia of indications.
I bought a signal meter for a pair of zeta and the problem was gone.

It is a pity that you do not specify which region of Norway it is. It is different in Oslo, different in Bergen and different in Narvik.
From my own experiences in the north of Lekanger:
1. HB has weaker signal than Astra by at least 8 dB
2. It can be set on the antenna from Thor (70) but the signal is on the borderline of reception, a bit of clouds is enough and after the signal. I was betting 140 cm Andrew. Works to this day.
3. One of the key principles of carrying weak signals - do not use simple indicators, because with such weak signals it is difficult and sometimes too difficult for an inexperienced person.
4. With such weak signals, I would practice searching with the old DVB-S decoder, not S2 (the "click" time is about half a second, not more than 4 seconds). We set the antenna not to CP / NC + signals, but to some "old DVB-S".
Most often I start from 11179 H, where TVP Polonia is broadcast, but from the transmitter near Venice (or Milan) and in DVB-S MPEG2, the signal is strong and stable. If you set the force to the maximum and minimum error, I repeat everything on 11526 H (Swiss SRG SSR but already on DVB-S2) and only then check 10719 V or 10727 H, where there are several Polish non-coded stations. If it works correctly, then I connect the CP or NC + decoder.

If you have an open space between 19E and 5E, it would not work ...
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