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Fiat Panda 2 VAN 1.1 2004. - The windshield wipers do not work

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  • #1
    electron24
    Level 9  
    The windshield wipers do not work in my Panda, they do not react at all to changes in the position of the wiper gear switch on the steering wheel.

    I bought the entire steering console on the scrap car, but after replacing it, they still do not work so the problem lies elsewhere.

    The fuse and the wiper motor are OK, for now I save myself by connecting them sharply - I installed a regular ON / OFF switch in the cabin, taking the + pole from the battery and through this switch to the engine, they work sharply.

    Can anyone direct how to look for further solutions to this problem?
  • #2
    piotrekwoj1
    Level 40  
    There is probably a relay out there that could be responsible for the inactivity.
  • #3
    electron24
    Level 9  
    Perhaps there is a wiper relay, I have a drawing of the location of the transmitters, but without a description, I also do not even know which is for what
  • #4
    marfur30
    Level 25  
    Hello . Double-check the fuses in the BSI
  • #5
    electron24
    Level 9  
    I checked the fuse F43 in the M001 box in the cabin under the steering wheel - it's OK.
    There are also relays in the B001 box in the engine compartment, but I have no description for it.
  • Helpful post
    #6
    marfur30
    Level 25  
    Fiat Panda 2 VAN 1.1 2004. - The windshield wipers do not work


    Wiper
    15 Ignition on - 15
    15A Fuse 15A
    30 Battery voltage - 30
    30A.Fuse 30A
    31 Mass - 31
    50 Start signal - 50
    5A 5 A fuse
    70A Fuse, maximum 70 A
    A20 Body electronics control unit
    bg Beige
    bl blue
    br brown
    G10 Ground connection on the fan cover
    G22 Ground connection A-pillar, right
    G51 Left luggage compartment ground connection
    ge yellow
    gn green
    gray gr
    hbl Light blue
    hbr light brown
    hr Pink
    lgn light green
    li purple
    M11 Front wiper motor
    M12 Windshield washer pump
    M51 Rear wiper motor
    or Orange
    P03 Fuse / relay box, engine compartment
    P21 Fuse box inside the vehicle
    R01 Resistance
    rt red
    S01 Reverse light switch
    S27w Wiper and washer switch
    sw black
    W Ignition key inserted - W
    in white


    You have a buddy BSI cabin module diagram, i.e. according to your description of the M001 box.
    Check if you have currents and masses everywhere. If everything will be ok, it will rather be BSi.
  • #7
    electron24
    Level 9  
    marfur30 wrote:
    You have a buddy BSI cabin module diagram, i.e. according to your description of the M001 box.
    Check if you have currents and masses everywhere. If everything will be ok, it will rather be BSi.



    Thanks for the diagram, if I have a moment, I'll do it.
  • #8
    electron24
    Level 9  
    It turned out that 2 relays from the wipers in the BSI switchboard were lost, I replaced them with new ones - cost PLN 20 and the wipers are roaring :)
    I'm curious what was the cause of the melt - can you see in the photos?
    I have already bought such a car, the previous owner probably had to reconsider something
  • #9
    Kaziu1313
    Level 7  
    Hello, I have the same problem. I unscrewed the panel under the steering wheel, I hear the relay sticking, but I can't find them, where are they exactly ???
  • #10
    electron24
    Level 9  
    The relays are located in the BSI module, it is located just behind the fuse box on the left side of the door, where there is a lever for opening the front hatch.
    Photo of BSI in the attachment
  • #12
    Kaziu1313
    Level 7  
    The good gives up, after unscrewing the fuse housing, I can see what is in the photo. The question is where are the relays? Do I have to undress anything else? Can I drive without the relays after removing the relays until I buy them?
    Or maybe someone knows their name and type in order to buy them in advance? Fiat Panda 2 VAN 1.1 2004. - The windshield wipers do not work
    Fiat Panda 2 VAN 1.1 2004. - The windshield wipers do not work
  • #13
    piotrekwoj1
    Level 40  
    Probably in this "box" with a purple plug, but if you can't find this "box" then what to do is replace the relays. Give it to someone who will handle it professionally and not sculpt.
  • #14
    Kaziu1313
    Level 7  
    Thanks for the answer, but I was more concerned with how to get to these relays step by step.

    Added after 3 [hours] 14 [minutes]:

    Do I have to remove the entire bsi module from the car to reach the relays?
  • #15
    Mich43l
    Level 20  
    Hello, I will join the question, I have a similar problem, only that it manifests itself in the second fastest gear, namely the wipers move 1 cm every 40-50 seconds and so until they reach the top, they return normally on the return. The given symptom occurs only in the 2nd gear position, while the intermittent, momentary and first gear work flawlessly.

    My question is whether the problem is with the relays in the bsi or in the combined steering wheel switch?

    best regards
  • #16
    adamr24
    Level 3  
    marfur30 wrote:
    Fiat Panda 2 VAN 1.1 2004. - The windshield wipers do not work
    hello I am tricked into the question
    I have a problem with panda 1.2 2003
    new battery, new alternator, as soon as the engine is about, how do I connect the meter for voltage + to the positive clamp but not on the battery and the minus - on the car body, I have 14.15 v, i.e. the alternator charges, but if it is negative - under the minus cable - the mass shows 12.5 to 13 v, i.e. it does not charge the same as the terminals connected to the battery, which may be the reason that it does not charge the battery, I have to charge the battery all the time every 3.4 days because it is discharging, i.e. somewhere there is a current or a short circuit somewhere I plugged in the ammeter, it takes 0.05 mA at a standstill, a few times in the winter the power steering indicator turned red and there was no support but after restarting it reset, I checked the fuses and, as in the post, when I pulled out the 70A fuse, there was no current consumption 0 , 00, the fuse from this description is responsible for the fact that it is the maximum fuse (which is exactly what this fuse is responsible for). bus, which may be the reason that the battery is not charging (short circuit, maybe some sensor in the steering column). Please help

    Mat
    15 Ignition on - 15
    15A 15A fuse
    30 Battery voltage - 30
    30A.Fuse 30A
    31 Mass - 31
    50 Start signal - 50
    5A 5 A fuse
    70A Fuse, maximum 70 A
    A20 Body electronics control unit
    bg Beige
    bl blue
    br brown
    G10 Ground connection on the fan cover
    G22 Ground connection A-pillar, right
    G51 Left luggage compartment ground connection
    ge yellow
    gn green
    gray gr
    hbl Light blue
    hbr light brown
    hr Pink
    lgn light green
    li purple
    M11 Front wiper motor
    M12 Windshield washer pump
    M51 Rear wiper motor
    or Orange
    P03 Fuse / relay box, engine compartment
    P21 Fuse box inside the vehicle
    R01 Resistance
    rt red
    S01 Reverse light switch
    S27w Wiper and washer switch
    sw black
    W Ignition key inserted - W
    in white


    You have a buddy BSI cabin module diagram, i.e. according to your description of the M001 box.
    Check if you have currents and masses everywhere. If everything will be ok, it is rather BSi has died.