Beninca to.go-va Remote Control: How to Copy Settings without Hidden Button (Gate Drive)

Hello, I have bought a remote control for the Beninca gate drive to.go-va and I would like to copy the settings from the old, identical remote control. The problem is that this model does not have a so-called hidden button. Is it possible to copy these settings in another way?

The activation of the "hidden button" (which is not present) is to press both buttons on the remote control for 3-4 seconds. Then you do it with the pilots with the "physical" hidden button.

If the programming with the automatic unit failed, you have to "switch" this remote control to a different operating mode. The TO.GO -VA remote control presented in the 1st post can work on both the TO.GO -WV remote control codes, which, as you mentioned, have a "hidden button" and you probably use this remote to open the gate.

I use the same as the one I bought, but I read (after the fact) that they are also similar but with this hidden button with the possibility of copying directly from the remote control, I wanted to do it myself, but unfortunately then it turned out that I do not have this button, I tried to run the hidden one the button in the way that the user said above, but I don't know if I'm doing something wrong .. Because it didn't work ?

Added after 4 [minutes]:

Marek J. wrote:

The activation of the "hidden button" (which is not present) is to press both buttons on the remote control for 3-4 seconds. Then you do it with the pilots with the "physical" hidden button.

I tried, unfortunately it didn't work, I used this manual

Please paste photos of both remotes.
Do "identical" looking remotes also have the same button colors and the LED above them?

I have two identical ones, I have tried to copy it several times by activating this hidden button, the combination of both buttons held for 3-4 seconds in the old remote control works flawlessly, because I see that after pressing the button that wants to copy, i.e. closing / opening, the gate does not respond but I have a problem with the second (new) pilot, which probably does not "accept" this data, I feel that I am close, but still something does not really want to play. I also tried to check if both remotes transmit on the same frequencies, but I'm not entirely sure if that's what it is about, I press both buttons on these 3-4 until the LED starts flashing, in my opinion it flashes in the same way, i.e. three times, on both remotes, the procedure I performed was:
1) in the old remote control I run a hidden button
2) in the old remote control, press the button that I want to copy
3) in the new remote control, I run a hidden button
4) in the new remote control, press the button to which I want to copy from the old remote

due to the fact that it did not work, I also tried this:
1) in the old remote control I run a hidden button
2) in the old remote control, press the button that I want to copy
3) in the new remote control, press the button that I want to copy
4) on the new remote, I press the hidden button

and:
1) in the old remote control I run a hidden button
2) in the old remote control, press the button that I want to copy
3) in the new remote control, press the button that I want to copy
4) in the old remote control I press the hidden button

I already lack ideas ...

Added after 2 [minutes]:

Mstasik wrote:

Please paste photos of both remotes.
Do "identical" looking remotes also have the same button colors and the LED above them?

so the remotes are identical to the picture

Check the system in which the "old" remote control works and set the new one with the same system (if different). Only after that, do the study. Instructions below:

I checked, both remotes blink three times and a second pause. Today I tried again with the help of this manual from the photo, but I have a question regarding point 3. For me, neither the diode in the remote control nor the light signaling the opening of the gate lights up. Maybe there is a problem here and I have no idea how to solve it ?

And which machine do you want to load this remote control into? Is it Beninca or some other? Do you do it with the gate open as it is written at the beginning of the manual? Maybe you have an outdoor radio? Maybe it is worth to memorize the remote control directly using the programming button directly on the receiver / machine?

I have BENINCA BEN (KBN24).
Yes, all activities are performed step by step with the gate open. The previous remotes were loaded by a specialist when installing the drive. He requested an additional fee for adding additional pilots. I have not seen the moment of loading the remotes and I honestly do not know in which box the "control panel" is to do it this way. When looking for info on the web, I found about copying the remote control settings from the second remote control and this idea seemed simpler to me .. Theoretically, the instruction is simple, but something does not work as it should ?

Magda2186 wrote:

He requested an additional fee for adding additional pilots

I think that if it were during assembly, the costs would be only for the remote controls. Now there is also access, the cost of the pilot and, of course, knowledge ...

I don't want to pay extra, which is why I'm looking for help. Someone who has any idea what I'm doing wrong. If I fail to copy the settings in this way, I will definitely try with the control panel, because I cannot afford the additional expense at the moment.

Everything (in my opinion, of course) has already been written here. I would like to add that the entire procedure (with the gate open, of course) should be carried out within the prescribed time limits ..

Of course, you are right, you gave me all possible advice and I would like to thank you for that ? now I just have to analyze it thoroughly and act until it is successful. I will only repeat this question regarding this point 3 that the siren turns on, because I probably do not know this one thing, which siren is it? And I'm not here anymore ? thank you very much for your patience, best regards

It is a beacon (if fitted).

Magda2186 wrote:

And I'm not here anymore ? thank you very much for your patience, best regards

Cool, please stay and enjoy. This is what this forum is for. However, "remote" assistance has its limitations.
Greetings.

Such a question only to confirm whether it is possible to copy TO GO 2VA remote controls, i.e. outside the place of gate installation? My point is that the installation is 200km away from me and I have one remote and I would like to buy and provide a second remote without having to go to the installation. Is it possible?
The second question is, after changing the coding method (I had to change during programming), the currently programmed remote control (HCS) will continue to operate the gate or do I have to go back to the original coding (ARC) - before copying?

You cannot copy a beninca remote to another remote without installing it at the gate, unless you use a multi-clone remote and program it from the one already working on the gate. Then it should add itself automatically. But these types of remotes support the HCS operating mode - ARC is not supported on multi-clones.
If you want to use the beninca remote control in HCS mode, you will no longer operate the gate in which you coded it in the ARC mode. It's a completely different code encryption system. You need to go back to HCS mode settings. If it was already added before, it should work without re-programming in the machine.

If the VA is in ARC mode, it seems it can be copied to the original Benincy TO.GO2 or 4 AK remote control and the correct addition will be made by the owner at the switchboard: https://beninca.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/instruction- pilot-TOGOAK.pdf.
And as for multi-cloners, maybe the previous speaker gave a few links to actually working (so far I have met with Chinese who more effectively smashed the keeloq code window and disrupted the work of dedicated remotes than they worked themselves).
I am not writing here about cloners operating in systems that have factory-provided cloning, e.g. Normstahl or FAAC SLH - because they actually work well.

Please: Air4VPlus
European product with approvals with a very nice design, and the NFC technology used for programming. It can also combine 4 different remotes from different manufacturers and at different frequencies in the 300MHz - 868MHz range
Thanks to the technology used, ALS is automatically added to the drive (if the function in the machine is active). with Beninca he advises without a problem but only on HCS codes. I haven't tried copying ARC yet, for those interested, I can check it tomorrow.
http://www.silca.biz/en/products/key-replacem...ential-remotes/916270/air4-remotes-range.html

I do not write about Chinese products, although there are many of them and the WHY Evo v.6.3 counterfeit works, although it has less possibilities than Silca pilots.

Actually, they are not cloners - as it seems, at the beginning they recognize the donor's system and switch to it, then they remember one code generated by the original and use it to add to the receiver imitating the procedure of remote adding remotes within the receiver's range (using an already added remote, for the added remote control, this one remembered code is provided by the manufacturer (for Why Evo systems marked with the DOR logo, for Air4 ALS). But it is enough that the receiver does not support or has the remote adding function turned off (in receivers that support, for example, communities, it is a standard) and this cloner must be added to the receiver from the finger to the receiver as a regular replacement or original.
But how will it work for the questioner - OK.
PS. I wrote about PRC cloners actually trying to cheat the keeloq - and more harm than good.

I checked and I promised.
This company's remote controls can "make" any Beninka, but I do not know because the ALS procedure is not activated on the remote when I program it (from another remote) for ARC. Or maybe it starts after pressing the button on the remote control three times, but I do not see it on my equipment.

@kotbury
Do you have a detailed description of the ARC system for Beninka somewhere?

Unfortunately not. Ask the Proxima guys - they're probably working on it.
Apparently, this multipilot supports keeloq and its mutations, proprietary systems - like ARC - not really - for example, Hormann BiSecur on the list also not found, but surprisingly Came Space with kelooq is also not there ...

Silca is "Italian", it does practically everything that is European (in the sense of Western Europe where automation is very common), i.e. the original FAAC, Came, Beninca, BFT, NICE, Horman BiSecure, and Marantec, Sommer and practically all "Hispanic".
Why isn't he doing SPACE?
Because it is a Polish line as well as FIX, Elmes, Gorke or Satel. Silca does not do this and the market in our country is full of much cheaper substitutes, not only from Proxima, but also fakes proxima from China.
Italians do not care to enter such a difficult market as the Polish one. Here everyone wants to do it themselves. In the west, for example, in such Spain, you go to "snuff" and make a fixed-code BFT of which there are a lot and no one even thinks about encrypted security with variable codes.

Ladies and gentlemen,

Coming back to the topic of the Bennica pilot - what kind of remote control can I replace the current TO.GO-A with?
I need to get a second pilot but I can't find info about this type anywhere.
Look like the one in the first post, only the buttons are gray.

Thank you very much in advance for any tips
greetings
Paul

Paul,
that's what this topic is about ...
the remotes we write about above can do something like this

Either buy the same one and add it to the receiver according to the instructions (there are no substitutes for now - as the thread shows - there are no replacements), or clone it on TOGO2AK:
https://beninca.pl/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/instrukcja-pilota-TOGOAK.pdf, but if you are dealing with a receiver that supports more remotes, the administrator took care of the inability to add remotes remotely and even a remote control AK won't help.

thanks - so you can TOGO2AK or SILCA?
and is SILCA available for sale with us or do you need to download?

are available in Poland without any problem

Does it require a programmer or does it clone with the remote control only?

The Silca tunes to the code and frequency from the remote control you are using, but you need to code it to the machine, either by the ALS procedure (loaded into the Silca Air4V remote control), or manually. Both activities are performed within the radio range. If the radio accepts the remote assigning of remotes, you will not need the remote control from which you programmed.