[Solved] Deep Well Drilling Issues: No Water in Mountain Area, Crawler Rig, Hydrogeological Maps, 46m

Hello everyone. I live in a mountain area, a long and narrow plot with a slight slope. This year, water problems started. Until now, I used water from a dug well distant from the house about 1 km, the water flowed under its own pressure. There is no chance of a water supply in the area and a decision was made to drill a deep well. I was looking for a company that has a small crawler drilling rig because the plot is narrow and built-up and not all equipment will enter. I found a drilling company and thought they would send some dowser to look for somewhere to drill beforehand, but the owner only asked for a plot number and said they only rely on hydrogeological maps. After checking, it turned out that on my plot there should be water everywhere. Drilling was performed using the hammer method. The first borehole is 46 m, at the beginning to about 10 meters clay and loam, and then slate. Water appeared at the beginning of drilling and then it was dry until the very end. A second borehole was made, approx. 40 m away from the first one. The situation was similar, at the beginning clay and loam, and then up to 46 m of slate and no water drop. Desperate, I thought to dig a vertebral well at the site of the first bore, where some water appeared at the beginning of drilling. I called the dowser to the plot to mark the place for digging. After checking, the guy marked a few points distant from the first bore, about 10 and 15 m and found that there was water in these places and at a depth smaller than the bore was made. Gentlemen, what to think about it, is it possible.

The topic of looking for and digging a well - very interesting and complicated at the same time.
A few years ago, a similar situation - looking for water on the plot. Gorlice area. How many people are looking, so many locations of a well digging point, and there were over ten of them on a plot of about 40 ares. Of course, everyone boasts about how many well locations they were able to mark, but I did not ask (out of politeness) how many locations were missed. Of course, how many people are looking, so many locations. Nobody confirms the point of the same. Worse - if you hammer the stake, the next seeker immediately points out "what is the stake for", and if you say that someone has pointed the water there, then absolutely, there is nothing to dig there, only where "I" shows. Currently, there are three 8-10 m dug wells on this plot. About the deep-sea - nearby, according to many opinions, it makes no sense to drill, even according to the maps. In each of these wells there is so-called water. subcutaneous, which you will choose during the collection, when it is very dry. You have to save yourself by delivering.
After digging the first well, someone suggested that after finding a better location, before starting to dig, try drilling. I did so too. Middle of summer, hot weather, it hasn't rained for several weeks. Hand drilling, approx. 5 m. On the following day, the hole with a diameter of 8 - 10 cm is almost full of water. Decision to dig. Hand dug 5 - 6 m, the deeper the drier. After a few weeks, it was covered up.

101pavel ] A very wise statement, especially if you live in a block of flats, or in areas where drilling a few meters in the ground, or sometimes punching a pipe (drilled on the sides and ended with a spike) gives you constant access to water.
Unfortunately, there are areas in our country where people have to take care of access to water themselves. I mean mainly the inhabitants of the countryside, where the relevant local authorities, so far, have been doing nothing, pretending that there is no problem. It is best if the residents themselves will ensure it individually.

All the companies in my area that I have spoken to charge a fee even if the well fails. This dowser confused my mind more and I am wondering whether I should hire another drilling company and drill in the place indicated by him. But does it make sense, there are no drilled wells in the immediate vicinity. The closest is approx. 3 km in a straight line. Very hilly terrain.

dariusz_pt wrote:

There are no drilled wells in the immediate vicinity. The closest one is approx. 3 km in a straight line.

Yes, you have experience on your part.

dariusz_pt wrote:

This dowser confused my mind more and I am wondering whether I should hire another drilling company and drill in the place indicated by him.

Well, you've already tried in two places, and the plot is probably small, and how

dariusz_pt wrote:

After checking, it turned out that on my plot there should be water everywhere.

Only maybe the depth of the seams is either unattainable for these drillers, or simply the drilling range exceeds the permits of "mortals", not to mention the cost.
And have you not thought about deepening the existing well or increasing the volume (reserve)?

For me, there are areas where you show where you want to have wells and drill there until water appears. I did not even realize that there are areas in our country with such water availability. I have a water supply, but we haven't used it for almost three years because the water is too expensive. Apparently PLN 4 / M3, but I use over 100 m3.

There are areas where wells are dug or drilled, and there is no water anyway, and the costs are incurred. How many months could water be used, eg 4 PLN / m3, if the drilling expenditure went down the drain, for example by the founder of the topic. And yet digging a well or drilling a well is not the end of costs, because the pump, pipes, fittings and electricity, but also sometimes something breaks down, or worse, water resources shrink, if only because of drought.

When there was a shortage of water in the current well, I wanted to deepen it, but water experts decided that it would be useless. The well is located in a ravine under a large hill. It only has 3 vertebrae but when it was dug water poured over the cover. When there was no drought, the water supply ranged from 1-1.5 circles. Now practically the basket with the tube is above the water. Experts have found that this source has such a level and there will be no more water, we have to wait for better times.

dariusz_pt wrote:

But does it make sense, there are no drilled wells in the immediate vicinity. The closest one is approx. 3 km in a straight line. Very hilly terrain.

The undulations of the terrain do not prevent the existence of an aquifer. Especially in such a complex terrain as you present.
What about the advice of the dowser? You don't have any other choice and you must take the risk.

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dariusz_pt wrote:

Experts have found that this source has such a level and there will be no more water, we have to wait for better times.

But someone found this place once, very close to the surface. So the existence of other such points cannot be excluded.

From what I have read, aquifers deep underground are large areas of sand filled with water. It is from these decks, after drilling, that water is drawn. There are no water veins, as the dowser put it. I don't understand how moving 10 or 15 meters from a borehole with no water at 46 meters will make the water at a shallower depth. This is the only reason why I wrote this post so that someone clever would dispel my doubts. There is no point in discussing how to search for water.

dariusz_pt wrote:

I do not understand how moving 10 or 15 meters from a well with no water at a depth of 46 meters will make the water at a shallower depth.

If it were so easy to explain, then in many places a few wells would not be dug, deluding that they would finally find the source ...
In # 2 I described a case of looking for and digging 3 wells, where unfortunately it cannot be said that a spring was found, and a neighbor has 1 well next to it and I did not know that he had to deliver water. And I know for sure that this well is not deeper than the 3 described ones. Miracles or hitherto unexplored phenomena?

The dowser will point out the places where the twig will be torn from his hands, but will never say at what depth this water vein is. Gentlemen, please don't laugh. My brother showed me this method. At first I did not believe, I mocked him - but when I got this piece of a forked tree branch (some deciduous branches, maybe even aspen), I clenched my fists and walked around my recreational plot in several places until my hands were torn down and the end of the branch leaned towards the ground . Only this small but - no dowser will tell you the depth, it can be 2 m or maybe more than 100.

If you want to check the dowser, after the first marking of points, of course not for free, make him agree to blindfold himself and lead through these points or they prove to be confirmed, I tried twice to be surprised.

I do not have such abilities myself, and I have seen dowsers looking for water more than once. Some of them try to define the digging depth by some additional "steps", while others do not. Since I have encountered more than once that another dowser negates the point indicated by the previous "finder", I get the impression that these attracting forks of strength do not necessarily come from the water deck. In that case, I ask myself what influences there in the ground a piece of a twig or the hands of the seeker. Maybe mineral deposits, but which ones?

The twenty-first century, a technical forum, and the belief in a shaman dowser still resides in the nation.
Can someone explain to me what this water detection with a stick is about? What physical phenomena take place there?

xury wrote:

Can someone explain to me what this water detection with a stick is about?

When pulling the forks to the ground, dig wells in a place where water can be expected>.

xury wrote:

What physical phenomena take place there?

I do not know this and I think that others do not, but the question is why one person pulls a stick, and others I do not know how much they tried NOT.
And when it comes to faith / unbelief, a person grasps various things, when he has to dig wells, because without water, there is no life, and the state (you can enter various entities, such as a commune, a self-government, a cooperative, etc.), does not provide water.

Well, what about the commune. We have a water supply, but there are single houses where it does not exist and it does not make economic sense to connect it, the commune pays money for wells.

I do not see any embarrassment there. Just as a tech, I asked a question. In an age when we, as humanity, look light years into space, how is it that a few meters underground someone is looking for water with a wand. Since there are many such magicians, then there can be some secret knowledge. And if there are no such lectures, how is it that such a gentleman acquires this knowledge? Or maybe I'm wrong and there are some symposia / congresses of dowsers from time to time where they exchange their experiences and write lectures on this topic?

xury wrote:

The twenty-first century, a technical forum, and the belief in a shaman dowser still resides in the nation.
Can someone explain to me what this water detection with a stick is about? What physical phenomena take place there?

And now I will ask you a question, buddy? Have you ever slept in a bedroom near a water vein? What were your feelings because you probably didn't get enough sleep. There is a partial answer to your question in this phenomenon. And please do not send the forum members to another era. This is my request. Regards.
PS If you grabbed a piece of such a twig yourself, you would probably believe it. I was an unbeliever too, and even laughed at it. Now I have changed my attitude towards this phenomenon which is also closer to me.

Coming back to the topic, what do hydrological maps say about your plot and is there no executive who would actually undertake a well drilling with a positive and payable effect only when water is available?

Dowser meetings happen and they probably exchange their experiences, although I will not indicate either the place or the address, because I was not interested in it.

xury wrote:

how is it that a few meters underground someone searches for water with a wand.

Because it is, after all, a cheaper "method" than a well for which you have to pay (at least that's how it is heard in my area), PLN 200-300 per meter. drilling, and no one comes to, say, 10 meters. What if we drill 40 meters. and there will be no water? 8,000 to 10,000 PLN from the pocket and the drill is satisfied. We have a little less, because no water, no money in my pocket. And I haven't heard of any company doing it for free, unless you dive into the water.

xury wrote:

Since there are many such magicians, then there can be some secret knowledge.

I mentioned it. Take only a fork from a tree, e.g. hazel, and try it. Perhaps you have a "gift".

I am asking you to close the topic because I have not received any constructive answer to my question and the discussion goes on topics unrelated to the question.

It is interesting that many have the property of being able to find a water course. I have a friend, an electrician who deals with the automation of large boiler rooms and has this talent. It's a game for him, and he doesn't take any money for it. Phenomena are waiting for an explanation and sooner or later they will be explained.

dariusz_pt wrote:

I am asking you to close the topic because I have not received any constructive answer to my question and the discussion goes on topics unrelated to the question.

And what could a friend expect. The exact location of the watercourse?

dariusz_pt wrote:

I am asking you to close the topic because I have not received any constructive answer to my question and the discussion goes on topics unrelated to the question.

You can close the topic yourself. Tips are -between the lines. The question is who to trust, or map specialists, because, unfortunately, science fails here as well. And the water may be in your area, but at much greater depths, which involves drilling costs, but also other equipment, because drilling 40m, and e.g. 100m (or maybe more) is a difference. have permission to drill at greater depths.
Or maybe try to dig a well in the location indicated by the dowser? Unfortunately, there is no right answer here and it will not be. If you manage to dig up and there is water, the supporters of dowsers will triumph, and if not, a group of "modern" people will laugh, mocking .

xury wrote:

The twenty-first century, a technical forum, and the belief in a shaman dowser still resides in the nation.
Can someone explain to me what this water detection with a stick is about? What physical phenomena take place there?

16 posts and someone has just touched on this topic.

101pawel wrote:

If, on the other hand, I was to try to answer your question, I answer: - there are physical phenomena that you do not understand. And don't take it personally, this ignorance isn't because you were slacking off at school, it's just that our brains are too tight.

Explain, then, because maybe others will understand.

And now, behind Wikipedia:

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Radiesthesia (Latin radiatio - radiation and Greek aesthesia - sensitivity) - pseudoscience dealing with alleged [1] radiation. The essence of dowsing is their detection by a dowser using devices such as a wand, a pendulum, and even without any tools [footnote needed]. It is used to detect the so-called water veins, minerals and many other objects. The term dowsing was introduced in the 1930s by the French dowser priest Alexis Bouly (1865-1958) [2]. The technique of dowsing is also known as rhabdomancy or dowsing [3].

Phenomena studied by radiesthesia are sometimes classified as paranormal phenomena . In the vast majority of Western countries as well in the scientific community, dowsing is considered pseudoscience , and reliable scientific research shows that dowsers are not able to find hidden objects from efficiency greater than it would appear from pure chance [4]. However, there are few scientific works in which the claims of dowsers are taken quite seriously [5].

and next,

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Experiences to confirm dowsing
The Munich experiment

The most famous experiment to verify the effectiveness of dowsing was the experiment carried out in Germany in Munich in 1987-1988 (its results were published in 1989). Over 500 dowsers took part in the test, from which the best 43 were selected for the second phase of the test. The second phase of testing was an experiment involving placing a water pipe in the barn under the floor. The dowsers' task was to indicate the place where the pipe was laid. The results of the tests indicated that the results of 37 out of 43 people tested did not qualify them as a dowser. Nevertheless, the remaining 6 performed far better than just chance. As a result, the authors of the experiment concluded (in 1990) that the phenomenon of radiesthesia can be regarded as experimentally proven ("... a real core of dowser-phenomena can be regarded as empirically proven ..." .

In 1995, Jim T. Enright analyzed the data of the Munich experiment and concluded that the results of these 6 people can only be interpreted as "statistical fluctuations", and thus these people, although they achieved above-average results during the experiment, are consistent with a statistical distribution indicating the randomness of the predictions [24]. The research carried out in later years did not confirm the results from Munich.

There is criticism of the Munich experiment from the dowsing community. The form of the test is criticized by, inter alia, a professional dowser, Stefan Siudalski, in an esoteric website [25]. At the same time, the community of dowsers has not carried out any convincing (with double-blind rigors) experience confirming dowsing so far.
James Randie Award
The James Randi Foundation (JREF) has funded a million dollar prize for someone who will demonstrate paranormal abilities under controlled conditions. Dowsing is one of the most common attempts to win a prize. So far, no dowser has managed to demonstrate any water detection ability that could become the basis for the payment of a million dollars in reward [26] .

This is an electronic forum, I don't know what the next topic about digging in the ground is doing here, let alone about the magical ways of searching for WATER.

Referring to the topic of the forum, I suggest making wands of copper wires, about 30-40 cm and bent at right angles with an additional 15 (letter L) so that they rotate freely in loosely closed fists. We grab it in "fists" and slightly lean it forward so that it does not spin freely. After approaching the suspicious area - the watercourse, the wires will cross.

I did not believe it either, but I was able to find buried pipes in this way, using such wires as mentioned by my colleague above, but they did not have to be copper, bent welding electrodes and wire from the hanger worked.

I also drilled wells - I mean firm- (without a wand) based on the map, in the mountains, it was supposed to be 30-40 meters, it ended up at 67m: it was only a satisfactory result.
Clay and stones were 15 m, then only slate and solid rock, but the drill leader was stubborn, because he cared about time and I was on the water