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Easiest Methods to Detect Underground Cable Damage Between House and Garage

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  • #1 17594845
    CiekawyŚwiata
    Level 4  
    I have a cable in the ground between the house and the garage and I suspect that it may be damaged and the electricity "leaks into the ground". What`s the easiest way to check this?
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  • #2 17594856
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    Measurement of insulation resistance with a device intended for this purpose.
  • #3 17594867
    arturdip
    Level 31  
    You can try to disconnect all loads in the garage and turn on the ammeter (a result above zero will confirm the thesis) if it is a single-phase installation. Of course, all precautions must be taken.
  • #4 17594912
    kloszi
    Level 21  
    Better disconnect everything and check the meter to see if there is any consumption on the meter.
  • #5 17596328
    CiekawyŚwiata
    Level 4  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    Measurement of insulation resistance with a device intended for this purpose.


    I`m wondering because I can easily measure the insulation resistance between individual wires by applying the measuring probes of the meter (insulation resistance meter) to the wires between which I want to test the insulation, but how can I measure the insulation resistance between each wire of the cable and the ground?

    Added after 1 [minute]:

    kloszi wrote:
    Better disconnect everything and check the meter to see if there is any consumption on the meter.

    This is basically not possible for me because the cable to the garage does not run directly from the meter

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    arturdip wrote:
    You can try to disconnect all loads in the garage and turn on the ammeter (a result above zero will confirm the thesis) if it is a single-phase installation. Of course, all precautions must be taken.

    I was also thinking about this method, except that the installation is 3-phase (the cable is 5x10) and copper, although I don`t know what difference does it make if the installation is not single-phase?
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  • #6 17596353
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    CiekawyŚwiata wrote:
    from the wires of the cable and the ground?
    From PE cable. :D He should (?) be your Land (Promised or Flat) :D
  • #7 17596375
    CiekawyŚwiata
    Level 4  
    Krzysztof Kamienski wrote:
    CiekawyŚwiata wrote:
    from the wires of the cable and the ground?
    From PE cable. :D He should (?) be your Land (Promised or Flat) :D


    Even if the PE earth electrode is several dozen meters from the place where the insulation is damaged?
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  • #8 17596383
    Krzysztof Kamienski
    Level 43  
    @curious about the world Of course, unless it`s interrupted, but I don`t think so.
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  • #9 17596982
    Jacek Rutkowski
    Level 28  
    Leakage does not usually constitute a perfect short circuit, but the insulation resistance should be greater than 1MΩ. If it is smaller, it indicates damage to the insulation. Even a weak earth electrode several dozen meters from the measurement point should be much less than 1kΩ. By measuring between it and the wires of the cable, it is possible to deduce damage to the insulation.
  • #10 17597379
    KaW
    Level 34  
    A "mag meter" with a measuring voltage of 250V is used and measures the insulation of each wire in relation to the others and to "earth".
  • #11 17601931
    KonradGatek
    Level 30  
    KaW wrote:
    A "mag meter" with a measuring voltage of 250V is used =(...)

    for 2500V cables.
    Jacek Rutkowski wrote:
    (...) but the insulation resistance should be higher than 1MΩ. (...)

    100MΩ cable up to 1 km.
    As the elderly gentleman from the Power Plant said while turning the crank: If it`s going great, there will be something
  • #12 17602207
    CiekawyŚwiata
    Level 4  
    Insulation resistance measurements showed values from 3 to 10MΩ, so it looks like the cable is OK
  • #13 17602990
    rtvserwisant
    Level 24  
    A value of 3 - 10 MΩ, in my opinion, gives the impression that something is wrong with the cable, there is probably moisture between the wires. A major failure may occur soon.
  • #14 17603031
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    CiekawyŚwiata wrote:
    Insulation resistance measurements showed values from 3 to 10MΩ, so it looks like the cable is OK

    It`s not OK. What voltage was the measurement made and at what time?
    KaW wrote:
    A "mag meter" with a measuring voltage of 250V is used and measures the insulation of each wire in relation to the others and to "earth".

    No, buddy. Which doesn`t mean you can`t. The measurement standard "talks" about it differently.
  • #15 17603167
    Jacek Rutkowski
    Level 28  
    The cable should have >20MΩ/km on the core compared to the other wires, but new. I don`t know how this relates to insulation aging?
    Does the standard take into account aging or are these hard parameters?
  • #16 17603233
    KaW
    Level 34  
    I had occupational health and safety in mind when taking measurements. Well, if the cable - its wires -
    If we measure it, there will be an electric charge on the wires.
    If we do not discharge this charge, a discharge will occur when we touch (e.g. with fingertips) the ends of the cable wires. If the megometer had a measurement voltage of 2500 V.
    This will be 2500V remaining on the wires..
    The quality of a megometer is measured by the measurement voltage and max. measured value.
    I was measuring telecom cables. Measuring cables is not fun.
  • #17 19868163
    Jacek Rutkowski
    Level 28  
    KaW wrote:
    I had occupational health and safety in mind when taking measurements. Well, if the cable - its wires -
    If we measure it, there will be an electric charge on the wires.
    If we do not discharge this charge, a discharge will occur when we touch (e.g. with fingertips) the ends of the cable wires. If the megometer had a measurement voltage of 2500 V.

    Currently, after completing the measurement, cable insulation testers discharge the cable to a safe potential, usually around 24V, and only then signal the end of the measurement. Only the old inductors didn`t do this...
  • #18 19868200
    Jacdiag
    Level 29  
    KaW wrote:
    A "mag meter" is used

    Read: "mega omo "measure"

    :D

Topic summary

To detect potential damage in an underground cable between a house and a garage, several methods can be employed. Measurement of insulation resistance using a dedicated device is recommended, with values above 1MΩ indicating good insulation. Disconnecting all loads and checking the ammeter can also help identify leakage. For three-phase installations, measuring insulation resistance between each wire and ground is complex but necessary. A megohmmeter (megger) with a voltage of 250V or higher is typically used for these measurements. Values between 3 to 10MΩ may suggest moisture issues, indicating potential future failures. Proper safety precautions must be taken during measurements to avoid electric shock.
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