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Fitters connect sockets in different ways, is it the right one?

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  • #31 17604332
    Neuromancer_Kathar
    Level 12  
    Back then it was about security issues. Until I get to grips with the new norm, the topic is frozen.
    "
    Identification markings of device terminals and cable terminations - Additional information point 6 with drawings of sockets attached therein"

    In the drawings, L is on the left. That's about it."
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  • #32 17604337
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    What would these security issues consist of?
    Single-phase sockets in this country have never had marked working terminals apart from the protective contact.
    And what/which standard do you want to embrace?

    I didn't ask for a quote from your post, but for an excerpt from the standard.
  • #33 17604351
    Neuromancer_Kathar
    Level 12  
    I want the current standard. There is no point in discussing without access to the current standard, i.e.: PN-EN 60445:2018-01
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  • #34 17604373
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    PN-EN 60445:2018-01

    Quote:
    Basic and safety principles for human-machine interaction, marking and identification -- Identification of equipment terminals and wire ends as well as wires themselves
    Range
    This document deals with the identification and marking of terminals of electrical equipment such as resistors, fuses, relays, contactors, transformers, rotating machines and, where applicable, assemblies of such equipment (e.g. assembled systems); the standard also deals with the identification of the ends of certain wires. The standard also establishes basic rules for the use of specific colors or alphanumeric notations to identify wires in order to avoid ambiguity and ensure their correct operation. The colors of cables established in the standard or their alphanumeric notation are intended for use on the cables themselves or on their sheaths, on electrical equipment and busbars of electrical switching stations, on electrical equipment and installations.
    This Fundamentals of Safety publication is primarily aimed at technical committees developing standards in accordance with the principles of IEC Guide 104 and ISO/IEC Guide 51.
    It is not addressed to manufacturers of electrical equipment or certification bodies.
    One of the responsibilities of technical committees is to follow basic safety principles whenever possible in the development of standardization publications. The requirements for these basic safety principles do not apply unless referenced or included in the relevant publications.


    And what do you expect to find in it?
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  • #35 17604375
    Neuromancer_Kathar
    Level 12  
    Additional information point 6 with drawings of sockets attached there
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  • #36 17604388
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    So I wish you good luck, even though I'm sure you'll be disappointed.
  • #37 17604613
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics  
    Neuromancer_Kathar wrote:


    Schuko sockets need not be subject to PN ;) How will it be subject to some DN ;)


    Practically, it does not matter where which page is, but if there is a PN, it is for something.


    Please bardo, the same manufacturer and not schuko:
    Fitters connect sockets in different ways, is it the right one?

    Although I do not know what this designation is for and why only N, but it is and should be respected.
  • #38 17606145
    stomat
    Level 38  
    But nothing stands in the way of mounting this socket "upside down", then N will be on the right.
    I believe in the principle that you need to know what you are doing and not be like a trained monkey. And I know very well that it doesn't matter which side of the socket is which "pole". But I know that there are people who will cut themselves for one letter. See endless discussions on this site about some magic letters. Once I saw the inscription ASS on the fence, I wanted to stroke it and stuck a splinter in my hand, since then I do not fully trust inscriptions made by someone else.
  • #39 17606153
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist  
    Rather standing.
    An angled plug with an inverted cable, exposed to "kinks", etc., will look strange.
    I know, I know - the same thing happens with double sockets, but it's better to avoid such situations if possible.
    stomat wrote:
    I believe in the principle that you need to know what you are doing and not be like a trained monkey.

    And the electrician always has a neon voltage indicator with him, right?
  • #40 17606165
    stomat
    Level 38  
    No, why not. If the wire is blue or the inscription next to the terminal says "N", you can touch it without fear. After all, no one anywhere will use a yellow-green wire as a "correspondence" wire or as a phase wire for a two-circuit chandelier, right?
  • #41 17606168
    Ryszard49
    Level 38  
    Łukasz-O indicates the connection of N and PE.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    elpapetr he wrote:
    Quote:
    And the electrician always has a neon voltage indicator with him, right?

    Perhaps that was the case in the last century.
  • #42 17606213
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist  
    Ryszard49 wrote:

    elpapetr he wrote:
    Quote:
    And the electrician always has a neon voltage indicator with him, right?

    Perhaps that was the case in the last century.
    Of course. But phaser 777 has it for sure.
    P.S. Electricians don't buy neon lights anymore. They get it at the BB Fair. I have several of these from different companies.
  • #43 17606240
    Ryszard49
    Level 38  
    elpapetr he wrote:
    Quote:
    Of course. But phaser 777 has it for sure.

    In fact, you can, but isn't it safer to use two-pole voltage testers?
  • #44 17606261
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist  
    Everything can be at hand to locate the phase.
    Even a multimeter will be helpful.
  • #45 19063043
    Rafikusa
    Level 18  
    Łukasz-O wrote:
    Here is the factory socket for the TH bus from ETI with the N terminal marked on the left side:
    Fitters connect sockets in different ways, is it the right one?

    Please let me ask a question.
    Isn't this a socket for mounting on a TH mounting rail? And if so, is the description of the terminals not due to the fact that in programs used to draw diagrams of control cabinets (in which almost everything is mounted on rails) each cable connection point must have some marking? It doesn't have to be labeled L and N, it can also be 1 and 2, or a and b.
    Just like the 230V fans installed in these cabinets - they will also work after switching L and N, but there is a description on the cube, otherwise the program will not digest the symbol.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the various methods of connecting electrical sockets during a renovation, particularly focusing on the use of WAGO connectors versus traditional terminal connections. Participants debate the correctness of different wiring practices, emphasizing that while both methods are acceptable, using WAGO connectors generally provides a more secure and reliable connection. Concerns are raised about the implications of socket configurations on circuit integrity, particularly regarding the risk of circuit interruption if one socket fails. The importance of consistent wiring practices throughout the installation is highlighted, along with references to relevant standards and safety considerations. The conversation also touches on the positioning of phase and neutral wires in sockets, with some participants advocating for specific configurations based on historical standards.
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