Consequences of Reporting Lower Square Meters for Ground Photovoltaic Installation

Hello,

I have done the installation on the ground. 12 sq. M. But I want to report 10 sq. M.

What can the consequences of this be punished? I know people do that.

What is the point of reporting untruths?

up to 10 kWp = 80% return on surplus

over 10kWp - 70% return

I know that they are also up to something to change the rules of joining so that he only has time. Because additional devices cost a lot.

I was surprised by your question. It sounded like: "How to steal 100 million and not end up behind bars"

Maybe I'm oversensitive ... but do you know if there are any administrative or other penalties for such an act?

If there are differences in the size of the installation and hence in the method of accounting, penalties must also appear, probably logical.

If the connection is 12KW + and there is a lot of own consumption, I would not care too much about these 2KW. Maybe there will be one who will make a scandal about it, but it would have to be some exceptional overeager.
In other words, I am not urging you, but there is such a thing as a parallax error ...

I know from my "friend energy" that the ZE calculates the average possible yields for PV installations for a given region of the country.

as a colleague wrote above - it depends on the energy consumption in the house - after all, there are appliances that consume energy (e.g. a heater in a boiler, etc.)

then the meter "does not record the production" as a dispatch to the power-supply network, because it is consumed in the household.

With your 12 kW installation and 10 kW reports, they won't even notice it - I think so.

However, the decision is up to you (the owner)

http://gramwzielone.pl/energia-sloneczna/3356...-zasad-przylaczania-i-obslugi-mikroinstalacji

And does anyone know when changes will come from the link, but all of them. I know from one of the installers that the device for remote disconnection of the installation from the network costs about PLN 10,000. and this is a journey and so is not a small installation cost.

Daylight robbery.

Well, there are additional requirements above 10kW. In your case, it's not better to install 10kW and sleep well. I do not know how to calculate for 12kW including exclusions, but I feel it at 12kW may be less than at 10kW. For this additional costs to meet the requirements - nice

Time does not matter for the current government and the law may be retroactive.

And these requirements are for everyone up to 10 kW. they are to limit. But the company is lining up! Coal prevails.

Or Art. 271. Confirmation of untruth
Or art. 273 of the CC.
It depends who "finds" these 10 with actual 12.

Added after 3 [hours] 5 [minutes]:

byCris wrote:

With your 12 kW installation and 10 kW reports, they won't even notice it - I think so.

I think so too.

I have a lot of electricity consumption at home. Annually almost 15,000 kWh.

I have everything electric. And I will tell you honestly that I have an energy-efficient house and when I had the g11 tariff, I paid 9500 PLN for electricity for the whole year and this year I switched to G12 to another company selling electricity and in zone II they had a promotion for 6 months of electricity for free only distribution and I got 5500 thousand zlotys. All :-)

Of course there will be supporters of gas and other fossil heat sources. But I find the current most convenient. I have a fireplace, but out of laziness I light it in it at the beginning of November for 2-3 days and that's it. (Such a backup source of heat)

and it is not that the maximum power of the inverter is declared? For example, an installation may be 11-12 kWp and an inverter only 10 kW.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

On the so-called common sense and logic, this should be the maximum power of the inverter. Well, what if someone has 30kWp in panels, if the inverter can give 10kW? But that is just my observation.

In your application, you provide both DC power and AC power.
http://panelepolikrystaliczne.pl/wp-content/u...-Specalizacji-techniczna-fotowoltaika-PGE.pdf

PGE takes the power of panels from the application for the new agreement.

malak12 wrote:

does anyone know when changes will come from the link, but all

if nothing has changed, the new connection conditions (IRiESD) will apply from 27/04/2019.

cuuube wrote:

malak12 wrote:

does anyone know when changes will come from the link, but all

if nothing has changed, the new connection conditions (IRiESD) will apply from 27/04/2019.

Will these changes also apply to existing installations?

tantalos1 wrote:

Will these changes also apply to existing installations?

"... PTPiREE ensures that the introduced changes will only cover new micro-installations, implemented after the approval of the changes to the TNC. ..." However, in the current reality, even what is not certain on paper, so life will show.

What to do? Report 10 kWh or 12 kWh and sleep well and lose....

malak12 wrote:

What to do? Report 10 kWh or 12 kWh and sleep well and lose....

Never lose. What is the point of installing 12kW and wasting, it can mount 10kW (lower installation cost) and be in the range of 80% energy return.

Report to 10 how the capacity will be below the norm, then add 1 and the rest of the DHW

malak12 wrote:

What to do? Report 10 kWh or 12 kWh

Disconnect 2 panels for now and you will have 10 kW. In case of control, you will be clear .
In 2-3 years, the power will drop automatically and then you will connect them and you will have 10 again and your conscience is clear.

brofran wrote:

malak12 wrote:

What to do? Report 10 kWh or 12 kWh

Disconnect 2 panels for now and you will have 10 kW. In case of control, you will be clear .
In 2-3 years, the power will drop automatically and then you will connect them and you will have 10 again and your conscience is clear.

only during the control the rating plate counts, not the real power. Do what you want, the risk is there. It is not profitable to have a 12kW installation and it is reported. If you want to combine several panels with more than 10kW power, connect to the off-grid inverter ... only wires somewhere in the wall will connect to the on-grid line by accident An off-grid inverter can always break down and be in service.
I am afraid of the neighbors the most ... by chance they may ask what the neighbor is doing with the panels, so he connects these cables and then unplugs ... and in ZE they are only waiting for such.

I do not know about other suppliers, but PGE controllers are interested in seals and nothing else. I had an inspection last year, the seals came, they checked, they asked how many panels, I say that 13kW and 10 reported and they are not interested in anything, I have 14 days to report changes to the installation and if I do not report it, there is no penalty for it. I have the meter EMU3 and you can check for the last 3 months, for example, the maximum power delivered, and since this is the average for some time and at home, something always works, the maximum that he registered was 9kW.

The fact that they are not interested in it may be due to the low number of installations yet. I personally did not find any information about penalties.

Unless some administrative penalty, because it is an act or PGE, may submit an application to the court.

But going your way, you have 10, while you are checking the area. 13 and now, when you report it, it is ok, but if you have to report it, e.g. in six months, will it not have to be done under the new rules?

By the way, they are going to a re-inspection with PGE ...

Treating the panels as a "generator", read the determinant of the power of the installation,
it is, to put it mildly, to the detriment of the prosumer.
In order to optimize, the power of the panels is oversized in relation to the inverter
e.g. https://www.fiff.pl/moc-instalacji-pv-a-moc-falownikow-fronius/
it is technically and economically justifiable.
Often, through this approach, you need to increase the power on the contract and this is a helmet for PGE.

Does anyone know why they consider the power of the panels to be the power of the generator and not the power of the inverter ??
It is a bit as if for a hydroelectric plant they told to give the power of the river, not the generator,
or, for a biogas plant, hectares of green crops and the amount of slurry.


This whole PV situation is not a monopoly by chance?
The goal of killing the little ones from PV, and when there will be a catastrophe with EU penalties, get a paw for money from fornication and build your own PV.
BE will become owners of large PV farms for free and windmills will be back in favor with BE.
A good BE will save us from EU penalties.
And we will finance it from taxes.
And the harlot will not lose the vat for electricity that we collect from BE and we do not produce for our own use.

malak12 wrote:

What to do? Report 10 kWh or 12 kWh and sleep well and lose....

If you have everything on electricity, DHW too. In this case, make a separate 2 kW line connected to the auxiliary heater in the boiler. The drivers are cheap, from 3 for the simplest to 6 for quite specific. If the boiler is> 200l, you will not lose anything because 2 kW will never boil water (as long as it is used on a regular basis). You will even gain IMHO because in a simple way, some of the electricity will be used with maximum efficiency, not a 0.8 discount.

The current LK model has the ability to turn on the heater when the set power is exceeded.