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Satellite Integration & IP Cameras: Zone Violation Alerts, ETHM LAN Connection & SD Card Recording

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  • #1 17670292
    ciubers
    Level 15  
    The facility has a working satellite integra system with connection to LAN via ETHM. I want to set up monitoring on IP cameras that will record on SD cards without an external recorder. Is it possible for the camera to "inform" the integre about the zone violation via LAN? I know there are recorders with alarm outputs, but in this case there will be only IP cameras with SD cards
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  • #2 17670351
    kood
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    ciubers wrote:
    I want to set up monitoring on IP cameras that will record on SD cards without an external recorder.


    Poor solution. Recorder is the basis.

    ciubers wrote:
    Is it possible for the camera to "inform" the integre about the zone violation via LAN?


    Probably not via LAN, but there are cameras that have alarm inputs.

    ciubers wrote:
    I know that there are recorders with alarm outputs,


    In this case, inputs are needed, not outputs.
  • #3 17670395
    ciubers
    Level 15  
    The facility is a single-family house, I think that a webcam with a card will be ok. Especially that I do not see the point in recording the entire material 24 hours a day. The cameras are to record only after motion is detected. I know that the satellite has made available an open protocol for ETHM communication, maybe someone has already done it and has a ready-made solution.
    There is to be 6 cameras and I wanted each camera to separately interfere with the given output in the satellite, it would serve as a camera and as an external detector.
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  • #4 17670410
    sosarek

    Level 43  
    The recorder can record after motion detection, line crossing, etc.
    Cameras will not replace external sensors and relying only on them is pointless.
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  • #5 17670413
    kood
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    OK, the other way around, I understood, that is, you need to leave, not enter, the rest of what I wrote is upholding.
  • #6 17670420
    ciubers
    Level 15  
    kood wrote:
    OK, the other way around, I understood, that is, you need to leave, not enter, the rest of what I wrote is upholding.


    Yes, I need to get out, not get in

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    sosarek wrote:
    The recorder can record after motion detection, line crossing, etc.
    Cameras will not replace external sensors and relying only on them is pointless.


    It's not about replacing something. There has been an alarm in the house for several years and he is fine. Now he is installing monitoring and so I thought that if there is such a possibility, why not integrate it. Please do not convince me to the recorder, I know that it has its advantages, but I do not need another piece of furniture at home. If it cannot be combined, it is difficult, but I asked a question because maybe someone had already done it. ETHM has an open protocol and can be integrated with other systems. It's just a matter of writing a short software and it could work.
  • #7 17670486
    kood
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    ciubers wrote:
    Please do not convince me to the recorder, I know that it has its advantages


    It's not that the recorder has its advantages, only SD cards have their disadvantages. The SD card may be in addition to instead of. But you do it for yourself, do it as you like.

    ciubers wrote:
    If it cannot be combined, it is difficult


    You can, but not this way, there are cameras with alarm outputs. Besides, the camera is not a motion sensor, any spider, rain, snow, etc. would cause false alarms.

    ciubers wrote:
    ETHM has an open protocol and can be integrated with other systems. It's just a matter of writing a short software and it could work.


    Do you want to write soft for the camera? I don't know how you imagine it.
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  • #8 17670543
    ciubers
    Level 15  
    There are few IP cameras with DO outputs. Besides, I have only released 1 twisted pair in these places. The signals from the cameras would not be used to trigger an alarm. Around the house I have LED lighting divided into 6 segments, controlled by an integra. I could program it in such a way that, for example, in the evening, after violation of the light input, they give a warning sequence, etc. In addition, you can configure some notification without alarm only for household members. This would only serve as an add-on, not a "ruthless and stable" part of the alarm system

    Of course, I don't want to write a program because I have no idea about it, but even today I found an ORSI SATEL program on the network, someone from outside wrote a program with which you can activate outputs in an integrated via LAN. Maybe there are other solutions as well
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    #9 17670552
    dariusz.bembenek
    Stationary Alarms specialist
    On the integration itself: true, there is an integration protocol available on the Satellite side. It enables system control and, more generally, full management.
    You should write a TCP client (we are talking about your own apps), because ETHM-1 will act as a server here.

    Of course, instead of writing a program, you can simply insert a ready frame into ethm, which, for example, will turn on the control panel output and then this output will violate the input internally (the protocol does not allow for input violation). So writing a program or any code is not necessary, as long as the camera has the ability to send a frame to a specific IP address and port when an event occurs. Such a possibility is offered, for example, by HomeCenter2 from Fibaro.
    And is there a camera on the market (at a good price) that does something like that? I don't know, personally I don't.
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  • #10 17670577
    ciubers
    Level 15  
    dariusz.bembenek wrote:
    On the integration itself: true, there is an integration protocol available on the Satellite side. It enables system control and, more generally, full management.
    You should write a TCP client (we are talking about your own apps), because ETHM-1 will act as a server here.

    Of course, instead of writing a program, you can simply insert a ready frame into ethm, which, for example, will turn on the control panel output and then this output will violate the input internally (the protocol does not allow for input violation). So writing a program or any code is not necessary, as long as the camera has the ability to send a frame to a specific IP address and port when an event occurs. Such a possibility is offered, for example, by HomeCenter2 from Fibaro.
    And is there a camera on the market (at a good price) that does something like that? I don't know, personally I don't.


    Thank you for the specific answer to my question.
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    #11 17675017
    dariusz.bembenek
    Stationary Alarms specialist
    If a colleague would find such a camera, then in the attachment there is a program that can be used to generate such frames.

    Satellite Integration & IP Cameras: Zone Violation Alerts, ETHM LAN Connection & SD Card Recording
  • #12 17675057
    ciubers
    Level 15  
    After entering the password from the keypad and generating the frame, everything works great. Now it's just a matter of finding a camera that can do it and the solution is ready.
  • #13 17676374
    xury
    Automation specialist
    I have not encountered such a camera either. However, I think that such a workaround can be done, but with a proxy server that first receives information about the event from the camera, e.g. after ONVIF, and sends it to ETHM-1. However, I did not go into the ONVIF protocol that much.
    Such a server could be on RaspberryPi.
  • #14 17679829
    SMDmaniak
    Level 23  
    Hello

    SATEL intercom module

    greet
  • #15 17679860
    alster1
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    SMDmaniak wrote:
    Hello

    SATEL intercom module

    greet


    Or maybe something more? A link, because I don't know something.
  • #17 17680013
    alster1
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    "There is also the long-awaited announcement of INT-TSI integration with IP video intercom"
    The key word "announcement", i.e. there is no and it is not known when it will be, if it will be.
  • #18 17680053
    SMDmaniak
    Level 23  
    But there are loudspeakers and a microphone and they are NOT going to waste it. Such a universal monitoring module will be a hit at the INT-GSM level!

    And if there is also an integration with INT-GSM with MMS sending, it will be very nice!

    greetings
  • #19 17680091
    alster1
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    Only that it has been heard practically since TSI appeared, and from what I understood, the author is looking for a solution for now, not in the unknown future.
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    #21 17682104
    IGS

    Level 21  
    ciubers wrote:
    After entering the password from the keypad and generating the frame, everything works great. Now it's just a matter of finding a camera that can do it and the solution is ready.


    Hi
    1. I think that your expectations will be better realized by the recestrator in the appropriate version with the appropriate number of entries and exits, it will be more economical and more reliable (cards wear out)
    2. The characteristics of the cameras you are looking for for Darek's idea have ACTI cameras, for sure I had a few years ago, I do not think it will change because the manufacturer emphasized this functionality. Cameras send and execute commands "from http"
  • #22 17682191
    ciubers
    Level 15  
    IGS wrote:
    ciubers wrote:
    After entering the password from the keypad and generating the frame, everything works great. Now it's just a matter of finding a camera that can do it and the solution is ready.


    Hi
    1. I think that your expectations will be better realized by the recestrator in the appropriate version with the appropriate number of entries and exits, it will be more economical and more reliable (cards wear out)
    2. The characteristics of the cameras you are looking for for Darek's idea have ACTI cameras, for sure I had a few years ago, I do not think it will change because the manufacturer emphasized this functionality. Cameras send and execute commands "from http"


    I will ask the distributor of ACTI cameras and we'll see. Regarding the recorder and SD cards, if there are branded cards and recording only after motion detection, they will also rain? It is a bit strange that so many manufacturers offer such cameras and the system is underdeveloped. For me, the recorder has one advantage, it works steadily and reliably, but I don't really have space for it anymore, and ultimately, alarm monitoring and the LAN network is to have an independent power supply from a "small photovoltaic", so it's also about power consumption.
  • #23 17683683
    kood
    CCTV and Stationary Alarms specialist
    ciubers wrote:
    It is a bit strange that so many manufacturers offer such cameras and the system is underdeveloped.


    SD cards are not just extra, and motion detection in cameras works so-so.

    ciubers wrote:
    and ultimately, alarm monitoring and the LAN network is to have an independent power supply from a "small photovoltaic", so it is also about power consumption.


    Do you want to power the alarm from photovoltaics?
  • #24 17683708
    sosarek

    Level 43  
    ciubers wrote:
    Ultimately, alarm monitoring and the LAN network is to have an independent power supply from "small photovoltaics", so it is also about power consumption.

    Buddy - count the consumption, how much will you pay more per month / year - then the question is after how many years this photovoltaic will pay off.
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  • #25 17684820
    ciubers
    Level 15  
    kood wrote:
    ciubers wrote:
    It is a bit strange that so many manufacturers offer such cameras and the system is underdeveloped.


    SD cards are not just extra, and motion detection in cameras works so-so.

    ciubers wrote:
    and ultimately, alarm monitoring and the LAN network is to have an independent power supply from a "small photovoltaic", so it is also about power consumption.


    Do you want to power the alarm from photovoltaics?


    Motion detection works the same, but the same on SD cards and the same on the recorder. Regarding power supply, I mean something on my mind that the alarm, monitoring and the entire lan, i.e. antenna, router and switch have their own independent power supply, e.g. I'm going away for 2 weeks and in the event of a power failure, the entire system works independently. I have not thought exactly how it should be done, but I mean something like photovoltaics + of course some battery for it, but this is a distant matter and this post is not about it ...

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around integrating IP cameras with a satellite integra system via ETHM LAN connection, focusing on zone violation alerts and SD card recording without an external recorder. Users express skepticism about relying solely on IP cameras for security, emphasizing the need for alarm inputs rather than outputs. The author seeks a solution where cameras can notify the integra system of zone violations, suggesting the use of an open protocol for integration. Some participants mention the possibility of using a TCP client to facilitate communication between the cameras and the integra system. The conversation also touches on the limitations of SD cards compared to dedicated recorders, with concerns about false alarms triggered by environmental factors. The author is exploring options for cameras that can send alerts and is considering the use of a proxy server for event handling.
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