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PARKSIDE PABS 12 A1 Drill - Can the Li-Ion battery with PARKSIDE X 12 VT fit

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  • #31 19210412
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    How to find them? Under what password?
    You have to be careful that they are not too efficient in current (short-circuit current) because the electronics can hit the trail.
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  • #32 19210449
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    Type on A .... at "3s1p", possibly adding the word pack, cartridge or accumulator.
    The PABS battery electronics have overload protection, so you will not damage either the cells or the screwdriver - only this equipment is so tiny that there is rarely any opportunity to overload it - nobody uses it in heavy work like an adult screwdriver ...
    On the other hand, in the visually identical but intended for mini-grinders batteries (in which the overload protection is set to a much lower current) the equipment is easy to overload and occasions to check the protection system occur very often.
  • #33 19211438
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    kotbury wrote:
    The PABS battery electronics have overload protection, so you will not damage either the cells or the screwdriver - only this equipment is so tiny that there is rarely any opportunity to overload it - nobody uses it in heavy work like an adult screwdriver ...

    But that's what I meant that the overload protection in the battery could get damaged. From too much current. Because it is designed for cells that have a moderate short-circuit current.
    I got a little screwdriver. When the li-ion was used up, I replaced it with a new one with a larger capacity but also with a higher short-circuit current. The screwdriver worked fine for a while, but the li-ion protection electronics fired up.
  • #34 20041580
    Elvisu
    Level 11  
    Hi, let me dig out the topic because I did not find my case specifically, well: I have a PBSA 12B1 screwdriver. It was factory equipped with the DCBK-70-12 battery. She served bravely but finally smoke flew out and the engine probably ran out. Since she is already very tired, I decided it was time for a new one. I was glad to see the same body of a similar screwdriver on the lidl website for ~ PLN 87, but I saw that it was already the X12V series and started to wonder, because there was no such marking on my side. The question is: can I put the battery from it into the new X12V series (specifically the PBSA 12B4 model)? If I buy a second, new battery from the X12 series, will I be able to charge it in my current charger?
    PARKSIDE PABS 12 A1 Drill - Can the Li-Ion battery with PARKSIDE X 12 VT fit PARKSIDE PABS 12 A1 Drill - Can the Li-Ion battery with PARKSIDE X 12 VT fit PARKSIDE PABS 12 A1 Drill - Can the Li-Ion battery with PARKSIDE X 12 VT fit
  • #35 20041611
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    So you want to put the old akku into a new screwdriver and load the new one with the old charger.
    I think it will not work without reworking the old akku. The X12's fins are placed differently (https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3585920.html). The pins seem to be arranged the same (means +, -, T) but the new akku have a pin ID - it is used for communication with the charger, but can the new akku be charged with the old charger without it - ??? It should, but ...
    Similarly, due to the fins, the old akku will not fit the new screwdriver.

    The solution will be to deprive the fins of the old akku to get it into the new body (but beware !!! guides under the new battery so that the new akku fits into it. But again - the charger does not have an ID pin and I will not give my heads whether the new akku can be charged without it. There is no problem here, because in the event of a seed, you can always buy a new charger.

    PS. To make it more fun - there are 2 versions of X12 - with and without an ID pin. And while (perhaps - the above mentioned) battery with this pin can be charged in an older charger, the new charger with a pin will not start an older battery without a pin. Just care for the environment, no waste, etc.
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  • #36 20041625
    Elvisu
    Level 11  
    Thanks for the help. I still have to browse the topic. Well, for now, I would like to buy only a new body and use the old charger and battery, but in the future, just buy a second, fresher battery for this set.
  • #37 20042190
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    @Elvisu the old battery will probably fit the new screwdriver. But the new battery will not go into the old charger.
    Which does not change the fact that the charger is easy to adapt to the new Aku.
    See photo in # 17.
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  • #38 20201593
    Marcin1989
    Level 17  
    I will interfere with the topic because maybe someone had a similar problem, new charger, i.e. PARKSIDE Charger 12 V, 2.4 A PLGK 12 A3
    It easily charges the old PAP 12 A3 battery.
    The new ones will probably fit this screwdriver as well, because one mustache has been polished off.

    PARKSIDE PABS 12 A1 Drill - Can the Li-Ion battery with PARKSIDE X 12 VT fit
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  • #39 20201625
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    Marcin1989 wrote:
    Charger 12V, 2.4A PLGK 12 A3
    It easily charges the old PAP 12 A3 battery.

    Without any modifications they come in? Can you insert a photo of this charger socket?
  • #40 20395134
    amberis
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    I have a PBSA 12 C2 drill, there was no battery included PAP 12 A3 and a PLG 12 A3 charger.
    I mistakenly copied the PAPK 12 B2 4Ah battery, but unfortunately it does not fit any of my devices. It was lying unused poky I thought to try to adapt it.
    Voila! After removing one of the edges, it fits the drill and spins. Tez goes into the charger and charges for now. The original battery only has one edge in the same place.
    few photos.
  • #41 21269743
    mars991
    Level 11  
    Hi. The topic has not yet cooled down so I will direct a request here to users of plgk 12 a3 chargers. Namely, I'm concerned with the values of resistors R8, 9 and 10 because an older type battery was inserted by mistake and you know...
    Thanks in advance.
  • #42 21320973
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    I have PLGK 12 A2.
    Close-up of a green circuit board with various electronic components such as resistors and capacitors. .
  • #43 21420659
    Hetii
    Level 17  
    Welcome.

    In my case the screwdriver is marked PBSA 12 A1, the original battery is marked DCBK-70-12 12v 1.5Ah and the charger from this set is JLH201261500G.

    Charger:

    View of the interior of an open charger with visible electronic components. .

    Close-up of a charger circuit board with visible electronic components and traces. .
    Interior and casing of the JLH201261500G charger. .

    Unfortunately I bought a battery in Lidl years later, but from the X12V team series with the designation PAPK 12 A3.

    This is how they both look:

    Two Parkside PAPK 12 A3 batteries with visible electronic boards. .
    Two batteries, one labeled DCBK-70-12, the other partially disassembled with yellow tape. .
    Two batteries viewed from above, with visible contacts and markings on their covers. .
    Close-up of DCBK-70-12 battery with 12V and 1.5Ah capacity, showing manufacturer's label. .
    Close-up of a Parkside PAPK 12 A3 battery with an informational label. .

    I have the feathers in the new acku already cut down and will eventually be glued with two-component glue new, in the place where the old one has them.

    However, the problem I have with the charger is that it gives 13.6v on its contacts, yet both LEDs give no indication. This problem started while the old battery was still in place, now that I look at it this voltage persists even after inserting the batteries, so I think the charger is charging, but I still need to check this carefully.

    As for the old battery, there is no voltage between the -/+ leads on the T contact and internally it goes via the diode to the n-mosfet.

    On the new A3 battery, on the other hand, there is almost the same voltage between "-" and "C-" as between "+" and "-", although "+" and "C-" are not internally connected, so there is additional electronics there.

    As for the ID field, in this video the guy shows that there is a 24k resistor connected to the T field, so presumably this is a way for the new charger to handle the old batteries (7m26s):


    .

    That's it from my side for the moment, and I'm getting on with finding out why this charger of mine is not signalling charging.

    Edit:
    Damage to the charger found, it turned out to be a broken path right next to the first green diode, which is shared by both diodes, so I think the set will last for many more years :) .

    Image of a circuit board with a highlighted broken trace. .

    Finally, paste in the new interlocks:
    New X12V team battery with masking tape applied. .
    View of an X12V team battery wrapped in masking tape. .
    X12V team battery with two-component adhesive applied to the contacts. .
    Close-up of a PAPK 12 A3 battery from the X12V team series with visible cut tabs. .
  • #44 21427219
    kotbury
    Gantry automation specialist
    At my place, the charger for the oldest PABS12V mini screwdriver broke down (still pre xTeam, without any extra pins). I didn't have the strength to search for the cause (there are several operational amplifiers and a bunch of resistance ladders), it turned out that the switching power supply is working, so for literally a dozen or so zlotys I bought a step-down converter with current and voltage control and having a cut-off at the end of charging (it can serve successfully as a LiIon charger) https://elektroweb.pl/pl/przetwornice-step-do...88a-tzqAa3hBVybbPcwbICF2_71nkR2hoC420QAvD_BwE
    I cut off the original charging circuit, connected the aforementioned, pulled up the control LEDs and out of the way.
    Plus the confusion with the T, C- or ID fields falls away. T- seems to have been the battery temperature thermistor, ID- gives the charger the battery type (see video above). C- is probably a separate minus input just for charging but without the kit on the table I can't tell 100%.
  • #45 21579425
    Trejos
    Level 11  
    mars991 wrote:
    because an older type battery was inserted by mistake and it is known....
    Thanks in advance.
    .
    Can you write something more?
    The old type battery will kill the new charger?
    Putting the battery in reverse on the charger kills the battery or the charger?
    I have a newly bought PLGK 12A3 charger (X12Team) and I put a DCBK 70 12 battery (from - 2018) into it for a second. Theoretically it started to charge, but I quickly removed it. The original old charger (JLH...) unfortunately died, perhaps just by putting the battery in reverse with the fins cut off - I'm not sure if I pulled off such a stunt - on the first try certainly not, a month later/on the second try maybe.
  • #46 21580384
    mars991
    Level 11  
    >>21579425 .
    The battery had the fins ground off, a colleague inserted in the dark and smoke went up. Resistors replaced but the charger still didn't come to life. I gave up on it and bought a bundled charger with the battery (there was some kind of sale in lidl).
  • #47 21581418
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek
    Level 37  
    Szyszkownik Kilkujadek wrote:
    I do not recommend shearing these guides, because without them it is possible to put the battery into the charger with the reverse polarity. No matter how careful you are, sooner or later you will make a mistake.
    .
    Well, there goes my punchline:
    mars991 wrote:
    The battery had the fins ground off, a colleague put it in in the dark and it went up in smoke.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the compatibility of the PARKSIDE PABS 12 A1 drill with the newer PARKSIDE X 12 V TEAM lithium-ion battery. Users emphasize that while the voltage must match (12V), the physical design differences, particularly the additional fins on the newer batteries, prevent direct compatibility without modifications. Some users have successfully modified the batteries or chargers to fit, but caution against cutting the fins due to potential risks of reverse polarity. The conversation also touches on the marketing practices of Lidl regarding battery specifications and the interchangeability of batteries across different models. Overall, while some users report success with adaptations, others advise against it due to safety concerns.
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