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[Solved] Thermostatic Head Lock Dilemma: DIAMANT M30X1.5 Schlosser 6001 00001 - Keep or Remove?

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  • #1 18325221
    AreQ90
    Level 9  
    Hi,
    recently, my wife and I received an apartment in a developer standard in a 3-story block of flats, upon receipt, we received DIAMANT M30X1.5 White Schlosser 6001 00001 thermostatic heads for each radiator.
    Each warhead locks at tier 2, you can't go down to 1 or *.
    Initially, I thought it was a fault, but as it worked on each of them, I started digging into the topic and found an article saying that it is in accordance with the "Regulation of the Minister of Infrastructure regarding the technical conditions to be met by buildings and their location from 2002 with subsequent changes" which says that a lockout of 16°C is required in multi-family residential buildings.

    And now the questions that bother me:
    1. Leave it like this? Is such a blockade really important and does this regulation make sense?
    2. If you advise removing the lock, tell me how to do it because this bolt for the hell does not want to come out of the hole in which it is placed. Maybe there is an easy solution?
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    #2 18325248
    bumble
    Level 40  
    Probably the point is not to cool the building as a whole, and the middle apartments not to turn completely and not to get warm from the neighbors. What if you want to use smart heads? In my opinion, the developer left it like that because he had to and would not pass the acceptance. You, how to replace or remove or put on the cap and screw it completely is your business. I had two apartments and had no problem. And how is the heating?
  • #3 18325278
    AreQ90
    Level 9  
    Interesting, I hadn't thought of that. Heating is from a gas boiler, one large boiler room for 6 blocks.
    In that case, I have to think about how to dismantle this blockade, it sits terribly.
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  • #4 18325314
    bumble
    Level 40  
    It makes no sense to me. Such a blockade. And when you go shopping and want to ventilate at that time, why not turn off the radiator? This is the first time I've heard of such a recipe.
  • #5 18325326
    AreQ90
    Level 9  
    I have air vents installed in the apartment, one in each room, maybe it has something to do with it?
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    #6 18325354
    bumble
    Level 40  
    No. Generally, they are installed so that the apartment is ventilated and should be heated, then moisture does not accumulate on the walls and fungus does not form. Fresh air and heating. It is recommended to replace it from time to time, airing for half an hour, open the window and turn off the heating, and then as normal. This once-a-day operation doesn't require ventilators. But they are needed.
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    #7 18325355
    ta_tar
    Level 41  
    bumble wrote:
    This is the first time I've heard of such a recipe.
    I do not know what provision you have heard for the first time, but I know the rules of the community that wrote that for removing the blockade there is a fine of PLN 5,000. This is exactly what others have said above. among others excessive cooling of the room, protection against damage to radiators.
    We do not know how the heat collected in these premises is settled.

    In turn, I know premises in Krakow where each resident has their own heat meter (not some allocators) and is billed for it. I just don't know what effect it has on the heat collection and consumption by another place that you can turn off your radiators at "0". No one complains about anyone closing the radiator.
  • #8 18325365
    AreQ90
    Level 9  
    At my place, everyone also has their own heat meter and we will be billed on the basis of it, as for the community, it has not yet been established and the developer has not yet appointed the building administrator, so probably everything is ahead of us. Thanks for the info!
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    #9 18325373
    BUCKS
    Level 39  
    AreQ90 wrote:
    2. If you advise removing the lock, tell me how to do it because this bolt for the hell does not want to come out of the hole in which it is placed. Maybe there is an easy solution?

    The question is whether the warheads are your private property or community property.
    You can always buy your own heads and after the problem, because they will not have a lock.

    AreQ90 wrote:
    I have air vents installed in the apartment, one in each room, maybe it has something to do with it?

    If you have vents, check if you have indentations in the doors. In other words, if you close the door to the room, you have slots/ventilation openings with a minimum area of 80 cm2, which allow for free air exchange. In theory, fresh air enters the room through the diffuser, and then it is to be able to move freely to the kitchen and bathroom, where it is to escape through ventilation grilles on the ceiling.
    This is how gravity ventilation works in a nutshell.

    What about min. 16 degrees is about living quarters in multi-family buildings. Bumble has already mentioned that, among other things, it's about not cooling down the building as a whole, because then other neighbors will indirectly heat those who save to the max.
    If you have a vent, in theory you don't have to open the window and ventilate, because you have a 24-hour air supply, but there are hygroscopic and pressure vents. The hygroscopic ones open automatically when the humidity exceeds the recommended value and they close when the humidity drops below a given level, so the hygroscopic ones do not offer round-the-clock ventilation, so theoretically their usefulness is poor. In theory, a pressure diffuser providing 24-hour air supply will be better, so gravity ventilation will work properly around the clock, not only during periods when the humidity in the rooms increases.
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    #10 18325375
    bumble
    Level 40  
    But it's not the developer who chooses the administrator, but you. You can create your own community or join an existing one.
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    #11 18325381
    BUCKS
    Level 39  
    AreQ90 wrote:
    Heating is from a gas boiler, one large boiler room for 6 blocks

    purely theoretically, if everyone turns the radiators to 0, the boiler will turn off or will be clocked, and min. 2 on the head guarantees that the boiler will work non-stop, because there will always be at least a minimum load by the radiators.
  • #12 18325382
    AreQ90
    Level 9  
    The developer chooses an administrator for us for a year, after that time a community is formed and we decide for ourselves. Unfortunately, that's what we have in the contract.
    @BUCKS thanks, learned a lot
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    #13 18325383
    ta_tar
    Level 41  
    If you have a heat meter, be careful how the administrator will behave in this matter. It may turn out that it will have nothing to block and then you can download it. I would wait with this until clarification and first settlements. You will see if they disturb you in your life or you will not notice the difference. You'll check what happens when you set it to "2", but not now, only when it's cold. Everything is ahead of you because winter is coming and you can experiment.
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    #14 18325422
    BUCKS
    Level 39  
    ta_tar wrote:
    It may turn out that it will have nothing to block and then you can download it. I would wait with this until clarification and first settlements.

    This is good advice, because you don't know what the rules of using what will be, and why bother yourself by removing the heads.

    The minimum temperature protects the building against moisture, and after all, each of the owners of the apartment has a small impact on the condition of the building as a whole.
    Of course, if someone wants to, they will turn the radiators down to 0 and go abroad for six months so as not to pay for heating, but in normal conditions someone always lives in an apartment, so no normal person will keep the temperature below 16 degrees in the premises.
    Even if someone wanted to ventilate the room, having, for example, 20 degrees, turning it to 2, i.e. 16 degrees, causes the head to close.
    The response time of an average head is 25 minutes on average, so it shouldn't make a difference with a few minutes of airing with the window open.
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    #15 18325440
    ta_tar
    Level 41  
    BUCKS wrote:
    The minimum temperature protects the building against moisture,

    Even more so when we are talking about a completely new building.
  • #16 18325462
    AreQ90
    Level 9  
    Thanks again, good thing I asked first and didn't tinker right away.
    I will take your advice, I have time and I can observe as you advise :)

    I'm closing the topic.
  • #17 18325463
    AreQ90
    Level 9  
    Thanks again, good thing I asked first and didn't tinker right away.
    I will take your advice, I have time and I can observe as you advise :)

    I'm closing the topic.

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    The advice of other users has been very helpful.
  • #18 18325468
    ta_tar
    Level 41  
    AreQ90 wrote:
    I'm closing the topic.
    Then use the appropriate button to close the topic (probably for some time, because you'll know what's next).

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the DIAMANT M30X1.5 White Schlosser 6001 00001 thermostatic heads installed in a newly received apartment. The user questions whether to keep the locking feature that prevents the temperature from being set below 16°C, as mandated by regulations for multi-family buildings. Responses highlight the purpose of the lock to prevent excessive cooling and moisture accumulation, ensuring proper heating and ventilation. Some users suggest that the locking mechanism may be a developer requirement to pass inspections. Others discuss the implications of removing the lock, including potential fines and the importance of maintaining a minimum temperature for the building's integrity. The consensus leans towards observing the heating system's performance before making any modifications.
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