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Switch Connection Guide: Cable Types for Single, Double, Stair, Two-way & More - Anka's Query

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  • #1 18402057
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    Good day.
    I would like to systematize the knowledge of connecting switches - what cables and where to use.
    Please correct me if I am somewhere wrong:
    1) single switch - 1 cable 3x1.5 mm2
    2) double switch - 1 cable 4x1.5 mm2
    3) single stair switch - 1 cable 4x1.5 mm2
    4) two-way switch - 2 cables 4x1.5 mm2
    5) single cross switch - 1 cable 4x1.5 mm2
    6) double cross switch - 2 cables 4x1.5 mm2
    7) normally open switch - 1 cable 3x1.5 mm2
    8) three-position shutter switch - 1 cable 3x1.5 mm2
    9) switch with dimmer - 1 cable 3x1.5 mm2
    Regards, Anka.
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  • #2 18402103
    Marcinolak xD
    Level 12  
    I think it's ok.
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  • #3 18402106
    kindlar
    Level 42  
    Why for a single switch with 3 wires, for a stair switch 4?
  • #4 18402113
    Marcinolak xD
    Level 12  
    kindlar wrote:
    Why for a single switch with 3 wires, for a stair switch 4?


    In order not to lead the phase through the N and PE veins. Of course, we are talking about connections between fasteners.

    For single 3, to be able to install a touch switch etc. if necessary (230V power supply required)

    Connecting a single circuit breaker with two wires is incompatible with the art. Completely senseless "saving".

    Added after 10 [minutes]:

    It seems to me that the topic is exhausted.
  • #5 18402207
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    Marcinolak xD wrote:
    It seems to me that the topic is exhausted.

    And it seems to me that it is not exhausted after all.

    Due to the fact that the author provided only the number of wires needed for a given solution, it was not specified which one?

    The number of wires can be, for example, 4, while the color scheme will not be respected, where, for example, wires will be provided:
    YDY 4x1,5 with the following colors: brown, gray, black, green-yellow
    and
    YDY 4x1,5 with brown, black, blue and green-yellow conductors.

    And in addition, we should specify the type of installation: Flush (connecting under the accessories) or traditional (with junction boxes).

    In the case of a traditional installation, it may turn out that the 3x1.5 wire to the connector will require a change in the purpose of the blue conductor.
  • #6 18402225
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    But for sure the three-position shutter switch and the dimmer will go on the 3x1.5 cable, because I don't really have how to check?
  • #7 18402231
    Marcinolak xD
    Level 12  
    kozi966 wrote:
    The number of wires can be, for example, 4, while the color scheme will not be respected, where, for example, wires will be provided:
    YDY 4x1,5 with the following colors: brown, gray, black, green-yellow
    and
    YDY 4x1,5 with brown, black, blue and green-yellow conductors.


    Truth. I did not think about it.
    Of course, the colors (and cable type) are selected according to the application and needs.
  • #8 18402243
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    Marcinolak xD wrote:
    Truth. I did not think about it.
    Of course, the colors (and cable type) are selected according to the application and needs.

    I haven't met anyone yet that someone buys a cable for a switch, another one for the input and output, or different cables for one circuit.
    Theoretically, such a doubt may make sense, but in practice such a situation should rather not happen.
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  • #9 18402250
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    The dimmer must first be selected to determine how many and what veins it needs. The same with the blinds.
    It may turn out that the shutter connector will get 3x1.5 for the supply and 5x1.5 for the outlet.

    anka-e wrote:
    I haven't met anyone yet that someone buys a cable for a switch, another one for the input and output, or different cables for one circuit.

    And I have already encountered the fact that Janusz buy 3x1.5 and then there is a problem, because you cannot connect the chandelier correctly and in accordance with the standards.
    The color of the wiring is there to be adhered to. Just as protections are not the same for all applications, the wiring requires certain rules.
  • #10 18402263
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    kozi966 wrote:
    The dimmer must first be selected to determine how many and what veins it needs. The same with the blinds.
    It may turn out that the shutter connector will get 3x1.5 for the supply and 5x1.5 for the outlet.


    And what is the situation with such switches:
    Simon 54
    DZW1K.01 / 41 3-position shutter switch 1-0-2 Cream
    Symbol: DZW1K.01 / 41
    Index: DZW1K0141
    EAN code: 5902787836047

    Simon 54
    DS9T.01 / 41 Press-rotary dimmer 20-500W Cream
    Symbol: DS9T.01 / 41
    Reference: DS9T0141
    EAN code: 5902787825911
  • #12 18402353
    Brivido

    Level 34  
    Show pictures of cans with wires and information what they are all about.
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  • #13 18402405
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    I want to use the three-position shutter switch for a single roller shutter.
    I also have a question: can I supply the stair switch with a 3x1.5 cable and distribute the switch with a 4x1.5 cable?
  • #14 18402421
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    My friend deliberately avoids answering the question whether it comes out "by accident"?
  • #15 18402435
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    kozi966 wrote:
    My friend deliberately avoids answering the question whether it comes out "by accident"?


    Sorry, I didn't notice the question.
    Of course, I mean electrical installations - lighting.
    In a fairly large building. There are a lot of switches and circuits,
    Probably all possible combinations.
    I am trying to make some bill of materials for purchase.
  • #16 18402443
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    I mean the type of installation performed:
    1. In the boxless version (the one without junction boxes under the ceiling - connecting wires under the fittings, such as connectors).
    2. In traditional version (with junction boxes under the ceiling - connecting wires in this box).
    I have drawn the above examples above.
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    #17 18402480
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #18 18402508
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    Unfortunately, I don't know, I have to check it on the construction site.
  • #19 18402561
    Rafael22
    Level 21  
    Erbit wrote:

    By the way - please follow the examples given by your colleague kozi966 (in each point of the PE installation it is connected with a yellow-green wire, yellow-green and blue wires are NOT used for "phase" connections). Any deviation will take revenge sooner or later.


    I would like to add that if we change the purpose of a given conductor in a cable, we mark it at both ends with an insulating tape of a given color or a heat-shrink tubing of a suitable color.
  • #20 18402564
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    Only that such changes should not be allowed for the protective conductor. It is meant to be always, even if it is not used.
  • #21 18402644
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #22 18403822
    Jamesbond664478
    Level 20  
    kozi966 wrote:
    Only that such changes should not be allowed for the protective conductor. It is meant to be always, even if it is not used.

    But not always someone remembers about it and connects as conveniently for him, or if he has such a cable "at hand", he connects it: - \. Anyway, cable manufacturers should also think about producing 2, 3 or more-wire cables with phase colors, just for the connection of switches
    Moderated By Topolski Mirosław:

    I asked the colleague to speak up when he has the appropriate knowledge in the subject. Manufacturers produce cables with appropriate colors in wholesalers, while the installer is obliged to use the appropriate one. Example: https://www.tim.pl/wiring-ydyp-4x1-5-zo-45075...RO5QY7J6kho9tA9TRNT5KY7J6KH3KHY7J6Kho9tA9TO88
    Warning # 2

  • #23 18405411
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    Something's wrong with me.
    I checked possible connections in google graphics
    Three-wire cables go everywhere to the stair connectors and cross lighting.
    How is it possible that no one has caught it? :sm31:
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    #24 18405426
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Because this is the idea behind the stair system.
    In contrast, today's practice requires the fourth vein.
    Protective vein, because today it must be present in every inch of the installation.
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    #25 18405427
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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    #27 18406379
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    Hello.
    Of course you can. Only now is the question of making and wiring this circuit. For example, the contractor would put the tube (s) from the lamp (s) in the first can, and the whole elaborate plan went to the head.
  • #28 18406387
    anka-e
    Level 5  
    That's when we probably have something like this. And so the cable is 3x1.5, not 4x1.5.
    Switch Connection Guide: Cable Types for Single, Double, Stair, Two-way & More - Anka's Query
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    #29 18406412
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
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    #30 18406413
    Rafael22
    Level 21  
    And on the last stair switch, you do not have a protective wire, only the phase ones.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the proper connection of various types of switches using specific cable types. Anka outlines her understanding of the required cables for different switch configurations, including single, double, stair, two-way, cross, normally open, three-position shutter switches, and dimmers. Participants provide feedback on the adequacy of Anka's cable specifications, emphasizing the importance of adhering to color coding and installation types (traditional vs. canless). The conversation highlights the necessity of using appropriate cables to ensure safety and compliance with electrical standards, as well as the potential pitfalls of incorrect wiring practices. Specific brands and models of switches, such as Simon 54, are mentioned, along with the need for protective conductors in installations.
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