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Title: DIY Photovoltaic Panel Installation: Subsidy, Qualifications, Warranty & User Experiences

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  • #1 18495135
    jx123jx
    Level 10  
    Hello
    I want to install the photovoltaic panels on the ground, I buy them on account but:
    - with a subsidy, my current is 5000 PLN that you can do it yourself if you have the skills and qualifications (what) or is it related to the receipt by an electrician?
    - What is the case with the warranty, e.g. for an inverter because I installed it myself and how it broke up.

    Someone of you has already assembled it and how does it look like with my electricity? The problems are what.
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    #2 18495223
    ksysju
    Level 15  
    Hello

    In the grant documentation, you indicate that you assemble yourself and that's it

    The warranty for the inverter depends on the company. In general, he writes something like "installation by an authorized person"

    You need someone with E permissions for ZE papers.
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    #3 18495267
    Jan_Werbinski
    Level 33  
    You assemble and that's it. Permissions were not needed.
  • #4 18495336
    karolark
    Level 42  
    Jan_Werbinski wrote:
    You assemble and that's it. Permissions were not needed.


    What documents for the application for the "My Electricity" subsidy?

    The requirement to grant a subsidy will be the fulfillment of the program conditions and the presentation of relevant documentation:

    a copy of the invoice for the delivery and installation of the photovoltaic system with the annotation "Reported to the My Electricity Priority Program",
    proof of payment of the invoice / declaration of payment made
    Certificate of the Distribution Network Operator confirming the installation of the meter together with the number of the Power Collection Point in which it is installed
    an information clause for applicants of the "My Electricity" Priority Program.
  • #5 18495358
    jx123jx
    Level 10  
    "copy of the invoice for the delivery and installation of the installation"
    Well, this is the invoice for the assembly. If I buy and install it myself, I don't have an invoice for the assembly? Are there problems with that?
  • #6 18495360
    leonada
    Level 15  
    For sure, when you have invoices and you are the owner of the plot, you deduct 18% from the tax. if you have invoices from 2019, this year you deduct it (panels, inverter and accessories). And if you have invoices from this year, you will only deduct them next year.
  • #7 18495370
    jx123jx
    Level 10  
    leonada wrote:
    For sure, when you have invoices and you are the owner of the plot, you deduct 18% from the tax. if you have invoices from 2019, this year you deduct it (panels, inverter and accessories). And if you have invoices from this year, you will only deduct them next year.


    We are talking about co-financing my electricity 5000 PLN, and I know that from the year I deduct it
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  • #8 18495935
    comer3
    Level 27  
    As you assemble yourself (having the appropriate permissions), you complete the FV from the purchase of materials for the installation and submit a statement on self-assembly (Annex 4) and in the application you mark it in point 36. (answer 10 to https://mojprad.gov.pl/pytania-i-odpowiedzi/).

    karolak wrote:

    the requirement to grant a subsidy will be the fulfillment of the program conditions and the presentation of relevant documentation:

    a copy of the invoice for the delivery and installation of the photovoltaic installation with the annotation "Reported to the My Electricity priority program"


    As part of the second call for proposals, the above note on the invoice is not required (answer 27 at https://mojprad.gov.pl/pytania-i-odpowiedzi/).
  • #9 18496641
    Jan_Werbinski
    Level 33  
    jx123jx wrote:
    "copy of the invoice for the delivery and installation of the installation"
    Well, this is the invoice for the assembly. If I buy and install it myself, I don't have an invoice for the assembly? Are there problems with that?

    Perhaps you can invoice yourself. There used to be internal invoices, and that was possible. I don't know now.
  • #10 18496700
    theo33
    Level 27  
    Jan_Werbinski wrote:
    jx123jx wrote:
    "copy of the invoice for the delivery and installation of the installation"
    Well, this is the invoice for the assembly. If I buy and install it myself, I don't have an invoice for the assembly? Are there problems with that?

    Perhaps you can invoice yourself. There used to be internal invoices, and that was possible. I don't know now.


    He cannot invoice himself
  • #11 18497023
    comer3
    Level 27  
    If he does the installation himself and has the appropriate permissions, he does not have to have an invoice for the assembly - only for components - I already wrote about it in the above post, giving the appropriate sources (links).
  • #12 18497534
    jx123jx
    Level 10  
    comer3 wrote:
    If he does the installation himself and has the appropriate permissions, he does not have to have an invoice for the assembly - only for components - I already wrote about it in the above post, giving the appropriate sources (links).


    Comer3 I'm still interested in what it means
    "has the appropriate permissions to do so"

    - When I am a handyman and I will put it together (I do not have any sep qualifications, I am not an electrician, etc.), I have an electrician friend and he will connect it to the network, write the appropriate connection letter and that he has E and sep qualifications, for energy will everything be alright or will they pick on.
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    #13 18498568
    comer3
    Level 27  
    Hello,

    When it comes to reporting an installation to the Power Plant, it should be fine - in the application for connecting a micro-installation to the grid, your friend with permissions will fill in the "Micro-installation installer declaration" section.

    But when it comes to co-financed from the "My Electricity" program, your friend must also issue an invoice for the assembly - only then will the program conditions be met.
    So if you are doing the installation independently and you want to apply for funding from "My current" (2nd call for proposals), you need to:
    - be a party to the contract with the DSO (the contract with ZE is to be for your data);
    - have invoices for the purchase of components for the installation with a clear record on the invoice that these are components for your installation (the invoice issued to your data, address, notes on what these components are, etc.);
    - fill in the application + some other papers + declaration of self-assembly (Annex 4 - here you may need a copy of your permissions for inspection by Nfosigw);

    So only the owner of the contract with the ZE, who did the installations on his own having the right to do so (E / D / RES / construction), can apply for funding. In any other case, apart from the invoice for the installation components, you must also have an invoice for the assembly.

    I got this information from an energy advisor from nfosigw.gov.pl because I also asked about the conditions for granting funding for an installation made by myself.
  • #14 18498590
    jx123jx
    Level 10  
    comer3 wrote:
    Hello,

    When it comes to reporting an installation to the Power Plant, it should be fine - in the application for connecting a micro-installation to the grid, your friend with permissions will fill in the "Micro-installation installer declaration" section.

    But when it comes to co-financed from the "My Electricity" program, your friend must also issue an invoice for the assembly - only then will the program conditions be met.
    So if you are doing the installation independently and you want to apply for funding from "My current" (2nd call for proposals), you need to:
    - be a party to the contract with the DSO (the contract with ZE is to be for your data);
    - have invoices for the purchase of components for the installation with a clear record on the invoice that these are components for your installation (the invoice issued to your data, address, notes on what these components are, etc.);
    - fill in the application + some other papers + declaration of self-assembly (Annex 4 - here you may need a copy of your permissions for inspection by Nfosigw);

    So only the owner of the contract with the ZE, who did the installations on his own having the right to do so (E / D / RES / construction), can apply for funding. In any other case, apart from the invoice for the installation components, you must also have an invoice for the assembly.

    I got this information from an energy advisor from nfosigw.gov.pl because I also asked about the conditions for granting funding for an installation made by myself.


    And it was supposed to be so beautiful .. Again you have to pay the company ..
  • #15 18498596
    karolark
    Level 42  
    Reverse this lamentation can be minus ?
    Grants free freebies everywhere
    Guess whose money it is
    They take 100, they give some teen% and people with their tongues out are salivating
  • #16 18498648
    theo33
    Level 27  
    jx123jx wrote:
    comer3 wrote:
    Hello,

    When it comes to reporting an installation to the Power Plant, it should be fine - in the application for connecting a micro-installation to the grid, your friend with permissions will fill in the "Micro-installation installer declaration" section.

    But when it comes to co-financed from the "My Electricity" program, your friend must also issue an invoice for the assembly - only then will the program conditions be met.
    So if you are doing the installation independently and you want to apply for funding from "My current" (2nd call for proposals), you need to:
    - be a party to the contract with the DSO (the contract with ZE is to be for your data);
    - have invoices for the purchase of components for the installation with a clear record on the invoice that these are components for your installation (the invoice issued to your data, address, notes on what these components are, etc.);


    - fill in the application + some other papers + declaration of self-assembly (Annex 4 - here you may need a copy of your permissions for inspection by Nfosigw);

    So only the owner of the contract with the ZE, who did the installations on his own having the right to do so (E / D / RES / construction), can apply for funding. In any other case, apart from the invoice for the installation components, you must also have an invoice for the assembly.

    I got this information from an energy advisor from nfosigw.gov.pl because I also asked about the conditions for granting funding for an installation made by myself.


    And it was supposed to be so beautiful .. Again you have to pay the company ..


    You counted that it is economically profitable to buy the necessary materials with 23% VAT, and doing your own work, than to look for and outsource it to a local company with competitive prices, they will charge it with 8% VAT and the price will be comparable, unless you also want to be satisfied with your own " with hands made "
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  • #17 18498696
    leonada
    Level 15  
    It's cheaper to do it yourself. If you count the materials, you will get the sum of xxx. And if you ask the company about the same size of installations, it will give you a price that is about 100% higher, i.e. 2xxx. In a word, the company's labor costs twice the installation. So unprofitable in my opinion. Cheaper to do it yourself and pay 23% watt. I asked the company about the cost of the installation that we did ourselves with a friend. The material amounted to 13,000 with the installation of the growatt 9000 inverter and 16 panels 310W plus a steel low frame and wiring plus security. The company priced it at 25,000, of course, with 8% watt. There are so many panels for now, because such funds are only available. The panels will be added at a later date. The company's valuation was based on the power of the panels, ie about 5 kW. I will add that it was one of the cheaper companies.
  • #18 18498775
    karolark
    Level 42  
    Just a few details ?
    Permissions
    Skills
    guarantee
    Nothing interests the owner (of course we are talking about a reliable company) is a problem for fitters
    But not everyone can be a hero in their quarters ?
  • #19 18498792
    baru0
    Level 11  
    The guarantees are provided on the receipt.
    Everyone earns money somewhere, but if you want to do something yourself, it's respect.
    For example, he will stay for the bathroom and the company will earn there. ;) .
    If the panels were on the roof, I would also call the company, and on the ground I did everything to myself. Of course, if I connect to the network, an electrician will earn.
    Water heating option for now.
  • #20 18498811
    theo33
    Level 27  
    If I did not count it for 13,000 gross, I would not have a chance to buy the material that you replaced, at least here in the southern part of Poland
    taking into account: 16 Delta panels 400 each, growatt 4100 and class 1 + 2 protectors, 1 pc each. AC and DC are net 11,000. until under. VAT is 13,500
    and yet a construction is needed, some wires, grounding rods and others, and I think that the mats are needed. will amount to about 16 -17 thousand and own work also costs money and the prices of companies installing, apart from ceramic tile roofs, with the basic mats mentioned above. it's an average of 4 - 4.5, so the 20 - 22.5 will be ready with the notification and invoice.
    However, it is a little cheaper on your own
  • #21 18498994
    jx123jx
    Level 10  
    theo33 wrote:
    jx123jx wrote:
    comer3 wrote:
    Hello,

    When it comes to reporting an installation to the Power Plant, it should be fine - in the application for connecting a micro-installation to the grid, your friend with permissions will fill in the "Micro-installation installer declaration" section.

    But when it comes to co-financed from the "My Electricity" program, your friend must also issue an invoice for the assembly - only then will the program conditions be met.
    So if you are doing the installation independently and you want to apply for funding from "My current" (2nd call for proposals), you need to:
    - be a party to the contract with the DSO (the contract with ZE is to be for your data);
    - have invoices for the purchase of components for the installation with a clear record on the invoice that these are components for your installation (the invoice issued to your data, address, notes on what these components are, etc.);


    - fill in the application + some other papers + declaration of self-assembly (Annex 4 - here you may need a copy of your permissions for inspection by Nfosigw);

    So only the owner of the contract with the ZE, who did the installations on his own having the right to do so (E / D / RES / construction), can apply for funding. In any other case, apart from the invoice for the installation components, you must also have an invoice for the assembly.

    I got this information from an energy advisor from nfosigw.gov.pl because I also asked about the conditions for granting funding for an installation made by myself.


    And it was supposed to be so beautiful .. Again you have to pay the company ..


    You counted that it is economically profitable to buy the necessary materials with 23% VAT, and doing your own work, than to look for and outsource it to a local company with competitive prices, they will charge it with 8% VAT and the price will be comparable, unless you also want to be satisfied with your own " with hands made "


    If I do it myself, I will get a total of 19,000, the company has priced me at 26,500. But if I do it myself and I don't get a subsidy of 5,000, it is not profitable for me to do it myself. Because everyone has a different opinion on whether there must be a fvat for assembly or not. If I do it myself.
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    #22 18499026
    theo33
    Level 27  
    There is no need to provide an invoice for the assembly, you are presenting f. For the purchased mat. and if the sum exceeds 10,000, then up to 50%, that is, 5 you should get.
    You submit a declaration of self-assembly, qualifications or permissions, you do not present anything about it, check yourself at https://www.gov.pl/web/gov/s profit-z-programu-moj-prad
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    #23 18499351
    comer3
    Level 27  
    My friend jx123jx write an inquiry directly to the energy advisor - data are available at nfosigw.gov.pl. Describe your case in detail. I quoted the answers I got when I asked about a similar issue (the difference is that I have, among others, SEP / RES qualifications, but I am not yet a party to the contract with the DSO). I think I wrote about three e-mails in my case to different people (advisers) - the replies were fairly similar, and each e-mail ended with the following sentence:
    "Any doubts relating to the interpretation of the provisions of the Program Regulations are resolved by the National Fund for Environmental Protection and Water Management."

    So that in order not to spit in the chin later, that we interpret something differently than nfosigw, it is good to ask the source beforehand, if there is such a possibility.
  • #24 18500297
    mcz1
    Level 19  
    Colleagues, have you checked the tax deductions from solar installations for 2019? I looked in the Pity elfin program and there is no such position there, I think they have a bug in the program. Last year I extended the installation, but I have an earlier contract with the energy company. Is it enough to enter the cost from the invoice of salt devices in the drink and reduce the income by this amount? Of course, self-assembly with SEP authorization.
  • #25 18500342
    leonada
    Level 15  
    It does not matter whether you installed it yourself or not and whether you have permissions or not. Required invoices for the name of the plot owner. I had invoices for panels, cables and an inverter from 2019. My wife accounted for zero drinking. In column B, point 6, enter the total amount from the invoices.
  • #26 18513010
    jx123jx
    Level 10  
    comer3 wrote:
    My friend jx123jx write an inquiry directly to the energy advisor - data are available at nfosigw.gov.pl. Describe your case in detail. I quoted the answers I got when I asked about a similar issue (the difference is that I have, among others, SEP / RES qualifications, but I am not yet a party to the contract with the DSO). I think I wrote about three e-mails in my case to different people (advisers) - the replies were fairly similar, and each e-mail ended with the following sentence:
    "Any doubts relating to the interpretation of the provisions of the Program Regulations are resolved by the National Fund for Environmental Protection and Water Management."

    So that in order not to spit in the chin later, that we interpret something differently than nfosigw, it is good to ask the source beforehand, if there is such a possibility.


    I sent my inquiry and got a reply :)

    Good morning,

    The program allows two variants of mounting the installation:

    Installation by a third party (company) - in this case, a copy of the invoice for installation is an attachment to the application

    Self-assembly - performed by the Applicant (in accordance with the declaration), which means that the person submitting the application had previously performed the entire assembly (including the electrics) on his own, because he has the appropriate qualifications. Thanks to this, the operator will be able to connect the installation to the network

    The case described by you is not a self-assembly.

    The Distribution Network Operator should be asked for the required permissions, in the case of self-assembly, only a statement is attached to the application.
  • #27 18513632
    Piotr38
    Level 12  
    It is best to cooperate with a licensed electrician who knows PV. You can make the installation yourself, but the electrician should supervise the execution, make the appropriate measurements and apply for a micro-installation to be connected to the DSO. What permissions the person performing the installation should have is described, for example, here: https://fotowoltaika-energia-sloneczna.pl/kto-moze-montowac-fotowoltaike/
  • #28 18860982
    Citek
    Level 22  
    Hello

    Sorry, I'm reheating the topic a bit, but according to what I've read, nowhere does nobody require any qualifications to apply for funding under "My Electricity" - as of 08/08/2020.
    The only permissions you will need are for the power plant to replace your meter with a bidirectional one, i.e. if you do not have such permissions, you need to call an electrician to check everything from you and take it back.
  • #29 18861269
    Jan_Werbinski
    Level 33  
    Citek wrote:
    Hello

    Sorry, I'm reheating the topic a bit, but according to what I've read, nowhere does nobody require any qualifications to apply for funding under "My Electricity" - as of 08/08/2020.
    The only permissions you will need are for the power plant to replace your meter with a bidirectional one, i.e. if you do not have such permissions, you need to call an electrician to check everything from you and take it back.

    Also not. The power plant replaces the meter by sending its electrician. It happens, for example, for me that I replace the meter and the electrician only checks and seals. You don't need any permissions.
  • #30 18861292
    Rhaavir
    Level 14  
    PERMISSIONS - they are needed to "pick up" the installation !!! If we do not have a notification to ZE, we will NOT receive funding.
    In order for ZE to replace the meter, we must submit a notification - and to do this, we MUST have the authorization.
    WARRANTY - for example, Fronius requires the installer / service technician to undergo their training, YES, I know that they do not ask for training when we report the inverter for warranty, BUT they can always.

    Installation - it is not easy, especially in the case of structures - too many times I have seen an "amateur" installation ending up with leaks in the roof, problems with electrics.

    So I would seriously consider if it is worth it.
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The discussion revolves around the installation of photovoltaic panels, focusing on self-assembly, subsidies, qualifications, and warranty issues. Users share insights on the "My Electricity" subsidy program, emphasizing that self-installation is permissible if the applicant has the necessary qualifications. Documentation required includes invoices for components and a declaration of self-assembly. Concerns about warranty coverage for inverters installed by non-professionals are raised, with some brands requiring authorized installation for warranty validity. Participants discuss the economic benefits of DIY installation versus hiring a company, noting significant cost savings when purchasing materials directly. The importance of having an electrician involved for grid connection and compliance with local regulations is also highlighted.
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