IP 20 Lamp: Suitability for Bathroom Use Above Geberite - Safety & Installation Guidelines

Good morning,

I have a quick question regarding whether the IP20 lamp can be used in the bathroom. Place above geberite:

Read this article, you will know https://mlamp.pl/blog/oswietlenie-lazienki-stopien-ledznosci-ip-wybrac/

Yes, I have read and many others. However, I am placed against the wall, because it is not available with IP 44 and it is only available with IP 20, hence the question is whether there can be any problems with the fact that such a lamp will hang over the geberite. Droplets rather impossible to reach the lamp as it is higher and to the right of the sink.

jerry1960 wrote:

Read this article ...

... which is worthless because it contains outdated information. The current standard defines a smaller number of zones and modifies the requirements for them.

@ Dzionek95 - What does "over Geberit" mean to you? On the ceiling, on the wall? It would be good to know something more. Any plan of this room (top view, place of mounting the luminaire)?

The topics on this forum that I propose to read:
1. https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3663827.html
2. https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3656360.html

Dzionek95 wrote:

Strictly droplets rather impossible to reach the lamp

Of course, you do not count the ones created from water vapor. This is not water according to you? And I even saw it flowing on surfaces such as mirrors, lamps ...

Really, no seller should offer lamps below IP44 for the bathroom, because it always carries some danger. But it is known that even before the LEDs in the bathrooms, we had ordinary light bulbs and that was the gun. Certainly the subject to consider whether we want to do everything according to patterns or not. I generally think that nothing should happen with such a lamp.

Hello, there will be a layman's question. Can the IP20 lamp be converted to IP44? (add some protections / fillings / cover tightly with the preparation for impregnation). For the bathroom, I need a living room lamp. Salon lamps are not available in the IP44 class, so I have to organize it on my own. The lamp will be several dozen cm above the sink faucet (vertically) and 150 cm (horizontally) from the bathtub faucet. I am asking for comments.

MorsikOWA wrote:

Can the IP20 lamp be converted to IP44?

Can not. Lighting fixtures are designed and constructed to meet the expected / required degree of tightness (in accordance with the design assumptions). It is practically unrealistic to change the structure of the luminaire in a house-based manner in a way that ensures a higher degree of resistance to dust or water penetration (e.g. from IP20 to IP44). What's more, by making such a modification, you become the manufacturer of this product and you are responsible for the safety of its use. Have you ever wondered how, after such a modification, you will verify if the luminaire is really resistant to water penetration?

Ps. The PN-HD 60364-7-701: 2010 + A11: 2012 + A12: 2017-10 standard does not prohibit the installation of a lighting fixture with IP20 tightness in a room equipped with a shower / bath, provided that the requirement to fix it outside the designated zones is met. Please see the links I have provided above.