Central control of roller shutters via smartphone - which device to choose?

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Hi. Do you have any ideas for central control of roller shutters? The idea is that the client has 12 roller shutters. At each one there is a switch for a specific roller shutter. He would like to be able to control the roller shutters from a smartphone. In addition, the electrician has run a...

pafciowaw · Accepted Answer

You can add double relays under each manual roller shutter manipulator, whose coils (via a 3-wire cable) you control from the switchboard/boiler room.
What will you use there, e.g. a PLC from www with 12 outputs or individual controllers for the roller shutters? at safe voltage or at 230 Vac - this is for further thought.

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Marek J. · Accepted Answer

If you are worried about range (rightly so) then think about a Z-Wave system or controllers with signal repeaters.

daro31ie · Answer

There are many possibilities. What budget?

TomD2121 · Answer

Assuming the cheaper option. That is, the equivalent of the Supli is max PLN 2,000. I am counting 12 SRW 01 controllers. The more expensive one may oscillate around 3.000-4.000 zł. Greetings

Marek J. · Answer

. From the roller shutter motor or from the switch? How is the individual switch connected (does 230V~ reach the switch or is there only a phase and N and PE are connected in junction boxes outside the switch)? What kind of actuators are used (regular ones with mechanical limit switches or with electronic ones and e.g. detection? Does the current control require a pulse or power supply during the whole movement of the roller shutter?).

TomD2121 · Answer

The additional cable is run from the switch. The cable from the motor and the full L N Pe power supply is fed in there too. The house is being renovated. The cables are connected at the weight, which is why I do not yet know which control and which motors are used. But I will find out .

TomD2121 · Answer

I have this information : PA roller shutters - 39
Aluprof automatic without overload. Currently controlled on the principle of a "permanent" up or down contact short circuit. Releasing the button is stopping the roller shutter. Any advice now?

Marek J. · Answer

It is now clear that these are normal motors with mechanical limiters controlled by a phase feed in the up or down direction and that virtually all automation solutions can be used. For the sake of completeness, tell us what kind of 3-core cable is laid (cross-section, insulation or type). Is the smartphone control to cover independently each roller shutter, groups or just the whole?

TomD2121 · Answer

. At first glance it looked like a 3x1 link. And the control is supposed to be on an individual or all blinds basis Added after 4 [minutes]: . Thanks. He understands that relay R1 is to protect against, for example, the controller trying to open and the local button trying to close at the same time. And relay R2 only controls the up-down

pafciowaw · Answer

Relay R1 cuts power to the manual buttons and controls closing (down); simultaneous driving of R1 + R2 <-> opening (up)
The assignment of these two states is conventional (depending on which motor cables how are connected).
However, it is probably more important to close all at once - and here it is better that as few relays as possible are involved (12 x R1); opening can be done in small groups, e.g. bedroom windows - together with wake-up, living room later....

Marek J. · Answer

. I was more concerned with the cross section. If it is not suitable then . ... You can't avoid it anyway.

TomD2121 · Answer

If I have to combine this with a relay and a plc controller connected to the net, it's probably quicker and simpler to fit this super and the additional cables.... Oh well. Do you have any experience with WiFi sasiegem in this Suple? Will it be necessary to set up several routers around the house again for the Supla to have WiFi range.

TomD2121 · Answer

So for example Fibaro? Only it's much more expensive....

Marek J. · Answer

Not necessarily Fibaro. Modules for roller shutters in the Z-Wave system (and not only) and its radio path (Cosmo) with repeaters and two-way communication are available, e.g. Mobilus, Fakro.

pafciowaw · Answer

An alternative is to use a PLC, such as FATEK + FBs CBE or + HMI panel, e.g. WEINTEK xxxiE 4.3 or 7 It will be possible to control remotely (internet) and/or locally (programming of opening/closing schedules) The 3x1 cables will be ideal for powering the coils of the relays built under the local switches (especially as 24 Vdc logic can be used)

mightypolishmatt · Answer

Hi. I have a question, which controllers should I use to: control each roller shutter locally from a button plus remotely via wifi. In addition, I can control all the roller shutters centrally from a central button. All local and central boxes are connected in series with a 5x1.5 cable. overload motors, bell buttons.
Thanks in advance

josephgo87 · Answer

I'm just following up on the last question. I have a similar dilemma.
Local and central push button control of roller shutters - 5 wire cable and the possibility of wifi control via an app.
Which controllers will make this possible?
In my previous house I had local and central control on a Zamel SRP-01 but without wifi.
Regards

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