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Central control of roller shutters via smartphone - which device to choose?

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How should I centralize smartphone control of 12 roller shutters when there is already a cable from each shutter to the boiler room, and which device/system should I choose instead of putting 12 Wi‑Fi controllers under the switches?

For these are standard shutter motors with mechanical limit switches, so most automation solutions will work, but if Wi‑Fi range is a concern, a Z-Wave system or controllers with signal repeaters is the safer choice [#18571020][#18576529] You can also keep the local wall switches and add double relays under each shutter switch, with the relay coils controlled from the boiler room over the existing 3-wire cable [#18571180] Another option is a PLC-based setup, e.g. FATEK with an Ethernet module and/or HMI panel, which allows remote internet control and local schedules, and the 3x1 cables are suitable for powering relay coils using 24 V DC logic [#18578185] If you go the radio-module route, examples mentioned were Mobilus and Fakro rather than only Fibaro [#18576813]
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  • #1 18567928
    TomD2121
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    Hi. Do you have any ideas for central control of roller shutters? The idea is that the client has 12 roller shutters. At each one there is a switch for a specific roller shutter. He would like to be able to control the roller shutters from a smartphone. In addition, the electrician has run a 3-core cable from each roller shutter to the boiler room (ala the server room). I was thinking of Zamel Supli, but why pack the controllers into a box under the switch (12pcs) when you could use those extra cables. Also, I am afraid of the WiFi range to the Supli.
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    daro31ie
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    There are many possibilities.
    What budget?
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    TomD2121
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    Assuming the cheaper option. That is, the equivalent of the Supli is max PLN 2,000. I am counting 12 SRW 01 controllers. The more expensive one may oscillate around 3.000-4.000 zł. Greetings
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    TomD2121 wrote:
    Additionally the electrician ran a 3-wire cable from each roller shutter to the boiler room(ala the server room)
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    From the roller shutter motor or from the switch? How is the individual switch connected (does 230V~ reach the switch or is there only a phase and N and PE are connected in junction boxes outside the switch)?
    What kind of actuators are used (regular ones with mechanical limit switches or with electronic ones and e.g. detection? Does the current control require a pulse or power supply during the whole movement of the roller shutter?).
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    Marek J. wrote:
    TomD2121 wrote:
    Additionally the electrician ran a 3 wire cable from each roller shutter to the boiler room(ala the server room)
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    From the roller shutter motor or from the switch? How is the individual switch connected (does 230V~ reach the switch or is there only a phase and N and PE are connected in junction boxes outside the switch) ?
    What kind of actuators are used (regular ones with mechanical limit switches or with electronic ones and e.g. detection? Does the current control require a pulse or feeding during the whole movement of the roller shutter?).


    The additional cable is run from the switch. The cable from the motor and the full L N Pe power supply is fed in there too. The house is being renovated. The cables are connected at the weight, which is why I do not yet know which control and which motors are used. But I will find out :-) .
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    TomD2121
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    I have this information : PA roller shutters - 39
    Aluprof automatic without overload. Currently controlled on the principle of a "permanent" up or down contact short circuit. Releasing the button is stopping the roller shutter. Any advice now?
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    Marek J.
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    It is now clear that these are "normal" motors with mechanical limiters controlled by a phase feed in the up or down direction and that virtually all automation solutions can be used. For the sake of completeness, tell us what kind of 3-core cable is laid (cross-section, insulation or type). Is the smartphone control to cover independently each roller shutter, groups or just the whole?
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    You can add double relays under each manual roller shutter manipulator, whose coils (via a 3-wire cable) you control from the switchboard/boiler room.
    What will you use there, e.g. a PLC from www with 12 outputs or individual controllers for the roller shutters? at safe voltage or at 230 Vac - this is for further thought.
    Central control of roller shutters via smartphone - which device to choose? .
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    Marek J. wrote:
    Now it is known that these are "normal" motors with mechanical limiters controlled by a phase feed in the up or down direction and that virtually all automation solutions can be used. Just for the sake of completeness, tell us what kind of 3-core cable is laid (cross-section, insulation or type). Is the smartphone control to cover independently each roller shutter, groups or only the whole?
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    At first glance it looked like a 3x1 link. And the control is supposed to be on an individual or all blinds basis

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    pafciowaw wrote:
    You can add double relays under each manual roller shutter manipulator, whose coils (with a 3-wire cable) you control from the switchboard/boiler room.
    What are you going to use there, e.g. a PLC from www with 12 outputs or individual controllers for the roller shutters? for safe voltage or for 230 Vac - this is for further thought.
    Central control of roller shutters via smartphone - which device to choose?
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    Thanks. He understands that relay R1 is to protect against, for example, the controller trying to open and the local button trying to close at the same time.
    And relay R2 only controls the up-down
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    Relay R1 cuts power to the manual buttons and controls closing (down); simultaneous driving of R1 + R2 <-> opening (up)
    The assignment of these two states is conventional (depending on which motor cables how are connected).
    However, it is probably more important to close all at once - and here it is better that as few relays as possible are involved (12 x R1); opening can be done in small groups, e.g. bedroom windows - together with wake-up, living room later....
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    TomD2121 wrote:
    At first glance it looked like a 3x1 line.
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    I was more concerned with the cross section. If it is not suitable then
    TomD2121 wrote:
    why pack the controllers in the box under the switch
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    ... You can't avoid it anyway.
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    If I have to combine this with a relay and a plc controller connected to the net, it's probably quicker and simpler to fit this super and the additional cables.... Oh well. Do you have any experience with WiFi sasiegem in this Suple? Will it be necessary to set up several routers around the house again for the Supla to have WiFi range.
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    If you are worried about range (rightly so) then think about a Z-Wave system or controllers with signal repeaters.
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    Marek J. wrote:
    If you are worried about range (rightly so) then think about a Z-Wave system or controllers with signal repeaters.


    So for example Fibaro? Only it's much more expensive....
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    Not necessarily Fibaro. Modules for roller shutters in the Z-Wave system (and not only) and its radio path (Cosmo) with repeaters and two-way communication are available, e.g. Mobilus, Fakro.
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    An alternative is to use a PLC, such as FATEK
    https://www.plcs.net.pl/index.php/katalog-aut...2ma-r-d230-230v-ac-20-wej.-12-wyj.-przek.html
    + FBs CBE
    https://www.plcs.net.pl/index.php/katalog-aut...ria-fatek/fbs-cbe-modul-fbs-cbe-ethernet.html
    or + HMI panel, e.g. WEINTEK xxxiE 4.3" or 7"
    https://www.plcs.net.pl/index.php/katalog-aut...ntek/mt8050ie-panel-operatorski-mt8050ie.html
    It will be possible to control remotely (internet) and/or locally (programming of opening/closing schedules)
    The 3x1 cables will be ideal for powering the coils of the relays built under the local switches (especially as 24 Vdc logic can be used)
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    Hi. I have a question, which controllers should I use to: control each roller shutter locally from a button plus remotely via wifi. In addition, I can control all the roller shutters centrally from a central button. All local and central boxes are connected in series with a 5x1.5 cable. overload motors, bell buttons.
    Thanks in advance
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    josephgo87
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    I'm just following up on the last question. I have a similar dilemma.
    Local and central push button control of roller shutters - 5 wire cable and the possibility of wifi control via an app.
    Which controllers will make this possible?
    In my previous house I had local and central control on a Zamel SRP-01 but without wifi.
    Regards
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✨ The discussion revolves around the central control of 12 roller shutters via smartphone, with considerations for wiring and device selection. The user seeks a cost-effective solution, initially considering Zamel Supli but expressing concerns about WiFi range and the complexity of installing multiple controllers. Various options are explored, including the use of relays and PLCs for control, with suggestions for Z-Wave systems and specific brands like Fibaro, Mobilus, and Fakro. The conversation also touches on the types of motors used, the wiring setup, and the potential for local and central control configurations.
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TL;DR: With 3‑core cabling and standard shutter motors, "virtually all automation solutions can be used" for 12 shutters—Wi‑Fi, Z‑Wave, or PLC. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18571020]

Why it matters: This helps homeowners and installers choose reliable central and smartphone control using existing wiring and appropriate radio coverage.

Quick Facts

What’s the simplest way to add smartphone control to 12 shutters?

Your motors use mechanical limits and phase up/down, so you can choose Wi‑Fi modules, Z‑Wave modules, or a PLC with relays. Pick based on range, wiring practicality, and budget. The motor type does not block these options. Group control and per‑shutter control remain feasible. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18571020]

Should I centralize everything in a cabinet or use in‑wall modules?

Check the three‑core cable’s cross‑section and insulation first. If the cable is unsuitable for safe control, use in‑wall shutter modules. When wiring supports it, cabinet logic driving relay coils is viable. If not, you “can’t avoid” local modules under switches. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18572220]

How do I prevent up/down conflicts between local buttons and central commands?

Use interlocking control with two relays. "Relay R1 cuts power to the manual buttons" and handles one direction. Driving R1+R2 commands the opposite direction. Close all with minimal relays; open in groups if needed. Never energize up and down simultaneously; it can damage the motor. [Elektroda, pafciowaw, post #18572105]

Will Wi‑Fi modules have enough range, or should I plan repeaters?

Range concerns are valid in larger or multi‑story homes. Plan for repeaters or choose Z‑Wave mesh‑based devices to improve reliability. If Wi‑Fi remains preferred, ensure strong coverage or additional access points. A mesh solution reduces dead spots for shutter controls. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18576529]

Why consider Z‑Wave for shutters?

Z‑Wave shutter modules offer mesh coverage and feedback. As noted, options exist "with repeaters and two‑way communication" from brands like Mobilus or Fakro. This improves reliability versus single‑AP Wi‑Fi. It also eases scaling beyond a few devices. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18576813]

Can a PLC handle this and still keep local wall buttons?

Yes. Use a PLC (e.g., Fatek) with Ethernet or HMI for local and remote control. Program schedules, groups, and scenarios. Drive in‑wall interlock relays via safe 24 V logic over the 3×1 runs. This keeps local buttons and adds central automation. [Elektroda, pafciowaw, post #18578185]

What control mode do my motors use?

They operate on held commands: a maintained up or down contact moves the shutter, and releasing stops it. These are standard tubular motors with mechanical limiters. That mode fits cabinet relays, in‑wall modules, or PLC outputs. [Elektroda, TomD2121, post #18570855]

How do I implement cabinet‑based central control using the 3‑core runs?

  1. Fit double interlock relays under each local switch to manage up/down safely.
  2. Use the 3‑core cable to bring each relay’s coil control back to the cabinet.
  3. In the cabinet, drive coils via PLC outputs or grouped controllers for central commands. [Elektroda, pafciowaw, post #18571180]

How many devices can a Z‑Wave network support if I expand later?

A Z‑Wave network typically supports up to 232 nodes. That headroom suits multi‑room shutter setups and future sensors or scenes. Mesh repeating extends effective coverage as nodes increase. Plan node placement to maximize reliability. [Z‑Wave Alliance, 2023]

What budget should I plan for 12 shutters?

Expect about PLN 2,000 for 12 basic Wi‑Fi shutter modules. More advanced ecosystems or centralized logic may run PLN 3,000–4,000. Costs exclude installation time, relays, and panel hardware. Align your choice with coverage and grouping needs. [Elektroda, TomD2121, post #18567977]

Can I control individual shutters, groups, and all at once from a phone?

Yes. With standard phase‑driven motors and compatible modules, you can build per‑shutter, grouped, and whole‑home scenes. The motor type supports diverse automation paths. Choose the platform that matches your grouping and app needs. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18571020]

Which controllers fit a 5×1.5 run with bell buttons and a central button?

Pick shutter controllers that accept momentary inputs and offer central or scene control. Z‑Wave modules with mesh repeating suit range‑challenged layouts. Options highlighted include Mobilus and Fakro ecosystems with two‑way radio paths. Map groups to central inputs or scenes. [Elektroda, Marek J., post #18576813]
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