Unable to Launch GRUB Menu Post Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Installation on Acer Aspire F5-573g-762j

Name: Unable to Launch GRUB Menu Post Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Installation on Acer Aspire F5-573g-762j
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Description: Hello Recently, Windows 10 has started to annoy me a lot. So I decided to install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. (This post concerns the Acer Aspire F5-573g-762j laptop. I have a 1Tb disk with partitions - one about 600gb, and the other about 400gb - I keep various data on this one, etc. I would like Windows...

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Hello Recently, Windows 10 has started to annoy me a lot. So I decided to install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. (This post concerns the Acer Aspire F5-573g-762j laptop. I have a 1Tb disk with partitions - one about 600gb, and the other about 400gb - I keep various data on this one, etc. I would like Windows...

linuks · Accepted Answer

Hello
I looked at these links and I am very surprised how such a simple matter as installing linux next to windows can be complicated.
Show me what the partitions look like in disk management, I'll make a short instructional video and post it on the forum.
It's best to do it on ubuntu with a partition of about 10 GB ext3 mount point / (and not as you wrote /root ) and a SWAP partition of about 1 GB. For data, it is best to use a common NTFS partition for windows and linux.
Ubuntu installation takes about 10 minutes.
You have a photo from my disk with windows 10 and a few linuxes to bring it closer.
You won't need to make so many partitions because you're installing one linux

Regards

SzymonKowalski64628 · Answer

Well yes, but apparently it is 2 times the RAM (maximum 16). i have 12gb. I don't know much about it. Why are you using ext3 and not ext4? I'm not very familiar with Linux yet, but I'm very interested. As for the disk, for now I removed Ubuntu (which was there but did not work), formatted the 600gb partition, and reinstalled windows on it. Picture below. Thank you for your answer. Regards. Added after 1 [minutes]: I mean, I would like to know something about SteamOS (this distro for gaming) and maybe Linux Mint 19.2 Cinnamon or Manjario Gaming Added after 11 [minutes]: Here I am sending a screenshot after reducing the C volume. And I want to allocate these 70gb to Ubuntu. Regards Also, I'm afraid that GRUB still won't boot

linuks · Answer

With 12 GB of RAM, the swap partition is not needed because Linux will never use it. Rarely does linux use more than 1gb ram. It won't hurt to make a SWAP partition of about 1 GB, because some distribution installers may require you to create such a partition.
The ext3 file system for mundane reasons, because some backup software works better with ext3 partitions than ext4. For this reason, I only use ext3 at home because in normal use you don't make super large files.
As for playing games on linux, forget it. This is not a gaming system. You can't play newer games and using windows games under wine is a failure. There are some games for linux, but that's not it.
Your partitions are pretty messed up but I don't want to mess with your partitions anymore.
Do a swap of 1024 MB on the first partition and, for example, two partitions of about 15 GB in case you want to install two distributions.
For starters, I recommend ubuntu 20.04 LTS with the MATE environment
https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
and as a second linux, I would rather suggest Manjaro
https://distrowatch.com/index.php?language=PL
Write what you will be installing and I will make a video from a specific distribution because installers are different.
For the most part, the default options will suffice. The most important thing is to select manual partitioning (some installers call it expert mode) and indicate the correct partition and mount point for this partition / (slash) and tick the formatting of this partition. SWAP partitions will be found by the installer.
Regards

marcinadd · Answer

This is of course not true. I have 16 GB of RAM and the same amount of Swap, I often use 4 GB swap. In fact, if you use a low vm.swappiness, swap won't be used often, but that doesn't mean it won't be useful. If you want to play on Linux then Manjaro will be the best (but not gaming). It even has the Steam installer installed on startup. Then you can easily play games and it works quite decently. As for the file system, I always use ext4. It's simply more efficient than ext3.

linuks · Answer

And what memory-consuming applications do you use that with 16 GB of RAM, 4 GB is still being swapped?
I've been on Linux for over 20 years and I've never come across a case like this. Write something about it because I am very interested. Once I tested and even did a swap in a 16 GB file and I never used this swap even with four virtual machines running simultaneously.
What is the practical advantage of ext4's higher performance than ext3 in home applications?
I teated on pretty much all distros and didn't notice.

marcinadd · Answer

It can be done calmly. Docker containers + IntelliJ IDEA + Webstorm, or Android Studio and AVD. It can be used with ease. What backup software do you mean? Personally, I don't see the point of using ext3 these days. Ext4 has become a permanent fixture on systems and the vast majority of distributions prefer it by default. I don't know if you'll notice the difference or not, but the fact is that ext4 can perform better than its predecessor. If the author cares about backups, I would go more towards btrfs, but it is certainly not a solution for beginners. Also omitting the fact that btrfs is not fully stable.

linuks · Answer

Just because it's permanent doesn't mean that ext4 is more efficient than ext3. There are distributions that don't allow you to easily convert ext4 to ext3. Eg good old partimage prefers ext3. I would love to see photos of the use of 16 GB RAM and 4 GB swap. Of course, you can set vm.swappiness high and it will practically immediately put into swap only if RAM is definitely faster and swap makes sense when, for example, RAM usage exceeds a certain %, eg 70%.
Specify specifically on which application you use the swap, I'll install it right away and check it because I like to check everything myself.
For home use linux with 12 GB of RAM, swap is not needed, but you can always create a swap file, e.g. 16 GB, and mount it, and you don't waste disk space on an unnecessary swap partition.
Once I had such a case with eight virtual machines that there was not enough RAM, I made a 16 GB swap file and after doing what I wanted on virtual machines, I unmounted and deleted the swap file because there is no point in wasting disk space.

marcinadd · Answer

I do not claim that I use 16 GB of RAM and 4 GB of Swap all the time. With my applications, however, it happens that I see RAM consumption at the level of ~ 14 GB and Swap on the bar, and not so rarely, but at the same time not so often that I have to expand the memory. Just close something then. It is known, even though it's NVMe, you can feel the slowdown when it starts swapping hard. That's what Swap is for, to somehow deal with such situations (unless someone is using hibernation).
I can theoretically wait for such a situation and demonstrate it to you, but it's already sitting somewhere in the back of my head and it will be unnatural

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vm.swappiness set to 10

SzymonKowalski64628 · Answer

I will be installing Ubuntu 20.04.LTS. I will not go into the discussion about ext3 because I have no idea about it. Thank you for your help. Regards

linuks · Answer

The promised video of installing and updating ubuntu on the same partition layout as yours. Regards

SzymonKowalski64628 · Answer

Thanks for the video. Unfortunately, I tried as in the video, and from ext4, I created home, EFI, but nothing helped. To check, I installed on another computer and Ubuntu worked. However, I prefer the one on which it does not want to run (it has a better specification and I use it more often). It is most likely a BIOS issue. Because it installs everything according to the instructions, but GRUB does not start. Even without windows Ubuntu won't start. Thank you very much for your help but it didn't help. Is there any other way to bypass this GRUB lock? Regards

linuks · Answer

Maybe you have secure boot enabled?
In general, you have a lot of clutter on the partitions.
Ideally, it would be best to create a new MBR partition table (now you have GPT which is not the best idea on a 1TB disk) and re-partition
one for windows
the other for data
third on ubuntu
and a fourth for swap
Then install windows (because you don't have a recovery partition anyway) and after installing windows install ubuntu.
It has to work. I have that with me. One partition for win10 several partitions for linux and swap partitions.
I guess you are installing windows in UEFI mode (switch BIOS to legacy) because you have GPT and not MBR.
Regards
Do you have a photo with partitions on my SSD drive.
The first is windows 10, the rest are linux. I have data on another physical drive

I propose such a partition arrangement at the MBR table

You can easily create partitions with gparted

Gparted is in the ubuntu installer when you select try it in system tools.

marcinadd · Answer

Let me disagree again, why complicate your life. The author has not written anything that he wants to get rid of Windows. Creating a new MBR partition table involves deleting data. Of course you can convert GPT to MBR (e.g. gdisk), but the question is why do that? Why do you think it's not the best idea? Of course, with drives >2TB, you must use GPT. MBR is limited to 4 primary partitions. Why should the author complicate life and play with extended partitions? Windows during installation creates a partition (1) System Reserved, then the system partition (i.e. the famous C (2). Then some NTFS(3) for the data. We are left with something for Linux (4) and it turns out that there is no place for SWAP. EDIT: You actually wrote to create partitions first. Then when selecting in the installer it will not create. Still, I don't see the point of using MBR. Another thing is why reinstall Windows and Linux in Legacy mode. I don't understand the point of installing the system in Legacy mode. UEFI has long been used, as long as it is supported by the hardware. To sum up, in your opinion: ext4 is bad, GPT is bad, UEFI is bad.

linuks · Answer

After all, the author wrote that he tried without windows, that is, he removed it Secondly, where did you read such a revelation that changing GPT to MBR is associated with data loss? I haven't read more nonsense in a long time. Changing GPT to MBR does not cause data loss. Good advice for the future, before you write something, check it and don't copy the nonsense you read on the net because you only confuse the readers and someone may think it's true. If you know how to help, help and don't write nonsense. I thought I had read all the nonsense and you surprised me with the revealing claim that changing the table from GPT to MBR results in data deletion. I'm curious where you read that. I changed dozens of times and never lost data. If you lost data when changing from GPT to MBR, you can't do it or you didn't do it and you repeat stupid things you read somewhere. Of course, with drives larger than 2TB, you can use MBR. You misunderstood something again. Now I have a 4TB drive with an MBR table and everything works as it should. I thought you were a practitioner and here you can see that you are rewriting nonsense found on the net. In the future, check yourself before you write another piece of crap. I didn't say GPT was bad. I also have one disk with a GPT table UEFI has a basic disadvantage that you can get from the Windows level. If necessary, I will attach photos and videos from my computer that refute your revelations. Regards

marcinadd · Answer

I don't know where you got that from anywhere. You wrote to create new MBR Partition Table, then I mentioned that creating a new partition table involves deleting data. I clearly and clearly wrote that you can convert GPT to MBR and vice versa, which I also did and I didn't lose any data. As for the 4TB and MBR disk, I can believe it on the AF disk. Then of course it is possible. I missed the information that the author tried without Windows, so in my opinion if the laptop supports UEFI, the best option would be to install Windows in UEFI mode and next to Linux also in UEFI mode.

linuks · Answer

Another crap. Creating a new MBR table does not result in data loss. Checked many times.
There is nothing to believe or not here. I tested all possible combinations with windows and linux and different installation modes. Not all distributions can be installed in UEFI mode and all in legacy mode. I add another revelation that creating a new MBR table involves deleting data. I didn't know that either

SzymonKowalski64628 · Answer

Currently, all data from D is transferring to me. From the console in the Windows installer, I change GPT to MBR. I will install both windows and linux on legacy. As far as I know, UEFI doesn't speed up too much, and everything works the same as on legacy? Are there any differences? As for legacy, I was convinced once when I installed MINT, nothing worked on UEFI. When I changed to Legacy everything works and it will probably be similar here. I wonder about this MBR. In legacy, it does not allow you to install Windows on GPT, it tells you to change to MBR. Please reply and best regards.

linuks · Answer

Windows is so capricious in its installation. There is no noticeable difference in the speed of starting windows installed in UEFI or legacy mode, but I measured it with a stopwatch because windows is not my thing. I rarely use it and rather for cognitive purposes because I use archlinux MATE on a daily basis. I installed windows because it's a pity that the license was wasted because win7 ultimate box cost a lot in its time. I am positively surprised with windows 10. I recently updated to version 2004 and it went smoothly. The speed of Windows on the M2 SSD is similar to the speed of Linux on a platter disk.
Once you're copying data from partition D, let it fly because a copy will always come in handy. It was not necessary because it was possible to make a new MBR and insert a partition with data into the MBR table, but I understand the effect of information from the net that creating a new MBR partition table will delete all data, which was also written in this thread. That's why I always react to false information and straighten it out so that someone reading it someday doesn't think it's true what someone who has a poor idea about the subject writes.
I would use MBR on this disk because I see no reason to use GPT on 1TB. If necessary, I will give instructions on how to insert a partition with data into the MBR table.
Regards and good luck with the installation.

SzymonKowalski64628 · Answer

Because I know that if you already have Windows installed, you can convert partitions/disks to MBR without losing data. But I have already uninstalled windows and I have to do it in the console in the installer, and on some forum it was written that such a change deletes all data from the disk. And when it comes to this question about the MBR, I mean whether it will not be possible to run or install something in the MBR. I don't know much about it. Thanks again for your help and best regards

marcinadd · Answer

MBR is limited to 4 primary partitions, or 3 primary + extended. If you really want to convert GPT to MBR then use gdisk. Although, in my opinion, it would be better to try to install the system in UEFI mode. First Windows in UEFI mode, then Ubuntu (it should detect the EFI partition by itself and put the bootloader there).
MBR -->GPT conversion instruction
1. Fire up some Linux LiveUSB.
2. Install gdisk (if not present).
3. Run sudo gdisk /dev/sdX (where X drive letter). You can check it by issuing, for example, the lsblk command.
4. Select "r" and then "g".
And you already have MBR without data loss.

I will add from myself that Legacy is not without flaws. Not all NVMe drives support Legacy mode. I personally had this problem. I managed to transfer the system from Legacy to EFI (but with Windows I don't know if it's possible). With Ubuntu, even SecureBoot in UEFI mode should work. Since the author installs everything clean anyway, in my opinion it's worth a try, and if it fails, then use Legacy. When it comes to boot time, for me the difference was significant (especially when using an SSD).

SzymonKowalski64628 · Answer

As for the conversion of GPT TO MBR, I've already figured it out myself and converted the disks program in LiveCD. I don't have a disk with nVMe, but a regular disk and it's still 5400RPM, so I don't think there will be much difference. I will be using Windows only for gaming (I play occasionally), and maybe from time to time for casual use. Unfortunately my problem is precisely that Ubuntu does not work on dualboot with Windows on UEFI. I repeat that once I found out about it when I was installing Mint (only Windows worked on UEFI, and on legacy Linux) then I gave up, but now I absolutely want Ubuntu. I've already migrated all data from D, so I don't care about data loss, and when I converted to MBR, Windows just installs normally, and then probably Linux as well. Regards

SzymonKowalski64628 · Answer

However, I tried and nothing worked (Windows don't want to install on Legacy). What should I do? Maybe install Linux on Legacy and Windows on UEFI? Thank you very much for all the replies and please reply. Regards

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