[Solved] Understanding PGNiG W-2.12T to W3.12T Tariff Change and its Impact on Gas Bills

Hello

Maybe the topic has cooled down, so I'll warm it up.
In December 2020, I installed a gas boiler with a DHW tank.
I was bothered by the fees because in May (because I have a contract until April) they will transfer me to W3.

I called PGNiG to find out how much it would cost me - heating, hot water and cooking in each of the tariffs.
I made such a table


It turns out that the W3.6 is the cheapest.
And the difference between each of them is insignificant.

I choose W3.6 because it is the cheapest.

Compared to W3.12, absolutely. Compared to the W-2.1 only at this point in time, consumption of 200m3 per month. with less consumption, the burden is fixed and the W.2 is cheaper. In summer, you won't burn 200 m3, only 30.

Further calculations according to your table, I do not want to check the price lists.

W3.6 has fixed monthly fees of PLN 38 net, i.e. 46.36 gross, and W2.1 13.61 net, i.e. 16.60 gross.

12 months is PLN 556.32 and PLN 199.25, respectively.

The gas from the table, 1200 m3, i.e. the limit for W2 / W3, is the cost of PLN 1800 for W.3.6 (gross 2196) and PLN 1956 for W.2-1 (2386.32), respectively. This gives a total cost of PLN 2,752.32 gross for W.3 and PLN 2,585.57 gross for W.2, respectively. So the W.2 tariff is still cheaper.

When do costs equal? (556.32 PLN-199.25 PLN) / ((1.63x 1.22) - (1.5 PLN x 1.22)) = 2251.38 m3 (1.22 is the gross conversion)

Let's check the calculations: 556.32 plus 2251.38 x 1.83 should be equal to 199.25 plus 2251.38x1.9886
4,676.35 versus 4,676.34, almost perfect, the slight discrepancy is due to the rounding.

So only above the consumption of 2251 m3, the cheapest W.3 tariff is cheaper than the W.2 tariff. Of course, W.2 may have a different mode. W-2.2, W.2-6, W.2-12T and then the break-even point of W3 will slightly change due to other fixed fees.

Better to calculate this for the amount of kWh after which W-3 is more favorable than W-2. The results would be more accurate. Instead of the price per m3, it is sufficient to count according to the cost of kWh in the calculation. Purely theoretical considerations and only for those who are just signing a gas contract and can declare the estimated consumption themselves.

Edit, I counted the gas net

Legato wrote:

I choose W3.6 because it is the cheapest.

I don't know how you counted it.
But with a comprehensive contract in the Tarnów region, you have net rates:
W-2.12T
- gas fuel PLN 0.08543 / kWh
- distribution variable PLN 0.03552 / kWh
which gives a total of PLN 0.12095 / kWh
- subscription PLN 8.67 / month
- distribution constant PLN 8.21 / month
which gives a total of PLN 16.88 / month

Counting 200 m3 and the conversion factor 10.972 it gives 2194 kWh
2194 * 0.12095 = PLN 265.36 + PLN 16.88 = PLN 282.24

W-3.12T in the Tarnów region is:
- gas fuel PLN 0.08543 / kWh
- distribution variable PLN 0.02663 / kWh
which gives a total of 0.11206 PLN / kWh
- subscription PLN 9.86 / month
- distribution constant PLN 31.70 / month
which gives a total of PLN 41.56 / month

For 2194 kWh it comes out:
2194 * 0.11206 = PLN 245.86 + PLN 41.56 = PLN 287.42

As for me, it is PLN 5 net per month cheaper in the W-2.12T instead of the W-3.12T.
You forgot to take into account the whole year, because in summer when the heating is not working, gas consumption is low, but the subscription will remain.

Suppose you use 1201 m3 per year and the conversion rate is constant.
1201 * 10.972 = 13177 kWh / year.
In the W-212T it will be:
12 * 16.88 = PLN 202.56 for the fees in monthly cycles
13177 * 0.12095 = PLN 1593.76 for the energy consumed.
TOTAL PLN 1796.32 net per year.

The W-3.12T will be:
12 * 41.56 = PLN 498.72 for billed monthly fees
13177 * 0.11206 = PLN 1476.62 for the energy consumed.
TOTAL PLN 1,975.34 net per year
In other words, in W-3 you will overpay PLN 179 net per year.

I did not count W-3.6, because I prefer to pay monthly for the actual consumption, and not for forecasts divided arithmetically on average per month.
But anyway, the W-3 is not cheaper than the W-2, not with so little consumption.

Summing up, I can think of the saying that he changed the uncle from the hatchet to the stick
Annual consumption determines whether you belong to a given tariff, so if you have less than 1200 m3 during the year, you will be in W-2 from the machine in the next year.
It's just that I wrote about the comprehensive agreement at PGNiG, and what oddity you chose or what you gave yourself to squeeze in by a trader, that your rates are overstated, I do not know.

Sorry gentlemen, I used a significant shortcut :)

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I choose W3.6 because it is the cheapest.

it referred to the fact that PGNiG would take me to the higher tariff of the current W2.12 anyway, so the abbreviation referred to W3.6 and W3.12T. Sorry for the confusion.

I understand that it is generally much more expensive than in W2.12 because the increase in costs is associated with a significant increase in the subscription fee.

The prices I gave were obtained from BOK and are for the vicinity of Rzeszów, so they may differ for other regions of the country and the comprehensive agreement cannot be compared to a standard customer - although the "gas region" is the same. Then the prices will be lower.

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Summing up, I can think of the saying that he changed the uncle from the hatchet to the stick

Maybe, and maybe not - in the context of a source of warmth and comfort.

When switching from coal dust to gas, I expected an increase in costs, but on the other hand I was fed up with burning fine coal.
I would like to add that it is an upper combustion boiler with ECO certificate without a feeder.
Due to the EU, he was withdrawn from the market, which is a pity because I would probably continue to smoke unknowingly that you can be more comfortable ;)

The proverbial "Something for something".
Generally speaking, coal dust was 4 tons for the season, which cost PLN 2,240, and pea coal would cost from PLN 2,800 to PLN 3,200

I don't have underfloor heating, but radiators, so the gas consumption will be higher.
From January 6, the boiler burned 230 m3, which in these prices comes out at W2.12 ~ PLN 478 and for W3.6 ~ PLN 471.
Including hot water and cooking.
In this way, PGNiG will transfer me to W3 after the April lecture (end of the contract and lecture). x - which x better?

Currently, the boiler burns an average of 9.6 m3 / day, and even if it burned 15 m3 (it burned in -14o) per day for a month, the bill would be about PLN 900.
I prefer to add 100-150 PLN / month and sit in the heat, not shovel the coal and add ash :)

Based on previous measurements, I assumed that in the summer, hot water and cooking will be needed about 40 m3 / month.
I estimated that the total cost of gas for the whole year would be about PLN 2,900 - heating, hot water and cooking.

So far, I have paid for gas about PLN 740 / year (about 25 m3 / month), which means that the real heating will be about PLN 2160, which is slightly cheaper than smoking or with peas.
In addition, savings on water, canal and electricity only approx. PLN 120.

Has there been an increase in costs?

I think I changed it well - for the moment ;)

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Annual consumption determines whether you belong to a given tariff, so if you have less than 1200 m3 during the year, you will be in W-2 from the machine in the next year.
It's just that I wrote about the comprehensive agreement at PGNiG, and what oddity you chose or what you gave yourself to squeeze in by a trader, that your rates are overstated, I do not know.

I know that consumption decides and that's why I wrote that they will transfer me from the machine. I did not choose anything when the annex to the contract came, then I will decide. Rather, it is impossible to negotiate rates.

PS I am going to take advantage of the "Clean Air" program, so part of the investment will come back.

Thanks for your comments

Legato wrote:

it referred to the fact that PGNiG would take me to the higher tariff of the current W2.12 anyway, so the abbreviation referred to W3.6 and W3.12T.

Well, unless it's already certain that you will exceed 1,200 m3 per year and you will switch from W-2 to W-3 from the new billing period. I thought that after switching from coal to gas, this is your first year of using gas, and then the declaration of consumption probably decides, because there is no history for the previous accounting year.

Legato wrote:

The prices that I gave were obtained from BOK and are for the vicinity of Rzeszów, so they may differ for other regions of the country and the comprehensive agreement cannot be compared to a standard customer

I thought that the comprehensive contract is for a standard but conscious customer, and Rzeszów is the Tarnów region, so you would be bound by the rates I have provided if you had a comprehensive contract with PGNiG. It is similar with electricity, you can conclude an ordinary comprehensive contract or you can conclude some promotional ones with additional bonuses, which in practice are usually worth nothing, and ultimately the customer pays higher bills, because the "promotion" is not for free.

Legato wrote:

Maybe, and maybe not - in the context of a source of warmth and comfort.

as for the uncle, the hatchet and the stick, I meant the deliberate choice of the W-3 instead of the W-2 as a starting tariff.

Legato wrote:

In this way, after the April lecture, PGNiG will transfer me to W3.x - which x is better?

If you are sure that you will have over 1,200 m3 between last year's reading and this April's reading, you will actually switch to W-3.
6, as I wrote, you get forecast invoices, i.e. basically if you use 1200 m3 during the previous year, the gas plant counts that you will use 100 m3 per month, i.e. you will get 6 forecast invoices with consumption of 200 m3 of gas and you will pay for it every 2 months, regardless of the actual consumption .
In the 12T option, you have to enter the meter reading every month and then you pay separately for each month according to the actual consumption, and by the way, the history of consumption in the gas plant corresponds to your real consumption, because only the annual consumption agrees with the forecasts. Then, the status of the meter as of April 30, i.e. the annual consumption from April 30 to April 30, determines whether W-2 or W-3 belongs to it.
You can have high-calorific gas and then you have a W tariff and a limit of 1200 m3 per year for W-3, because the less caloric ones have different letters and a higher m3 limit.

You know, I didn't really say my "gas" status at the outset :)

This is basically the 1st month of gas consumption on "such a scale"
From 18-12-2020 I only started the CWU because until January 6 I was "burning" the end of the fine coal.

From 6th I turned on the gas on everything and set the heating experimentally.
My rough assumptions show that I can use between 1500 - 1700 m3 per year.
Which, for me, the heating will be comparable in cost to the I had - approximately, of course.

Nevertheless, I have no turning back from W3.

In light of what you write, I am now wondering whether I should choose the W3.12T even though it is a bit more expensive.
But are the forecasts not verified at the end of the accounting year in the style of refund or surcharge?
The advantage of 12T is accurate payment, not overpayment.

I thought of the comprehensive contract as electricity and gas from one supplier.

PS:
I'm just sitting over the ESP32-cam and e-mailing the meter readings to have readings at hand - it's already working
If I develop an OCR for this, I could choose W3.12T with automatic sending of the meter reading to PGNiG
Then it's getting closer to the W3.12T :)

Thanks for the information.

Legato wrote:

But are the forecasts not verified at the end of the accounting year in the style of refund or surcharge?

It is corrected because you have an employee reading from the gas plant once a year in April and then it comes out how much was obtained from the reading and how much you have paid in real terms.
Only the forecast in practice is the arithmetic mean for the previous year and you have invoices payable every 2 months. If it is warmer in the next year, you will have an overpayment, and if it gets colder, you will have an underpayment.
Personally, I prefer to pay monthly for the actual consumption, i.e. in winter it can be e.g. PLN 400, but in summer it will be e.g. PLN 40.
Although maybe for others a forecast and fixed bills every 2 months are a better option. Then, in winter, you pay less than you actually use, but you overpay in summer, but you have a fixed amount of costs. For some, it can make a difference when planning a household budget, because they know the amount of the gas invoice in advance.

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Legato wrote:

I thought of the comprehensive contract as electricity and gas from one supplier.

no, the comprehensive agreement is also a distribution and sales agreement, it used to be the so-called ordinary, basic contract for the supply of gas, electricity.
Then there was the possibility of choosing a seller, imposed by the union, i.e. you can conclude a sales contract with another entity, as if to increase competitiveness, and in practice it usually consists in milking the customer and shitting him with a shit that he made a good deal.

But there is also an additional catch, because you can have everything in one company as if it was a comprehensive contract, but it turns out that it is a promotion, e.g. a fixed price throughout the year, sales rates may be a bit lower than in the standard comprehensive contract, but there is an additional item in the price list, such as a trade fee, e.g. PLN 10 / month. The contract may be with a pact for e.g. 2 years, so you have a reservation that you cannot terminate it without consequences during the first, full 24 months. In the first year you are exempt from the trade fee, and then you have to pay it, so the savings you get on the lower energy rate will be canceled out by the trade fee, but as if your energy is cheaper
A bit like in the W-3, cheaper energy, but the subscription fee is much more expensive than in the W-2, because hardly anyone takes into account the balance of all costs, and focuses on the advantages presented by the trader.

Once I tried to analyze these contracts and it turned out to me that the standard comprehensive agreement without any promotions is the most optimal for me, be it in terms of gas or electricity.
If someone wants to, he can follow the offers and jump from flower to flower if he finds something better, but you have to keep your finger on the pulse and after the expiry of the zirograph, you have to change the offer, otherwise it will be unprofitable.

Once I calculated that having a GSM subscription phone in PLUS and electricity from them, I would save PLN 2 / month. I do not like zirographs and certainly for PLN 2 / month I will not be bound by a loyalty agreement. The calculations have never shown savings large enough to motivate me to change and enter into new contracts.
But everyone has to look for their conditions, because maybe you can find something really worth attention, and not a pseudo promotion in the short term.

I had the same with electricity, I have a rather low power consumption, around 1000kWh per year. I concluded the first contract after buying a flat as "with a service technician" (like a service for household appliances from Tauron up to PLN 3,000 for PLN 500 each during the term of the contract). For the first half of the year I did not pay anything extra, after half a year there was about PLN 8 of the trade fee, and the entire second year it was with PLN 15 extra trade fee. With a bill of around PLN 65 per month, the trade fee was nearly 25% of the bill. After 24 months, I changed to the seller's tariff. Of course, the household appliances did not break down.

The seller's tariff differs by the fact that electricity is PLN 0.02 more expensive, which in the annual consumption scale of 1000kWh gives PLN 20 more per year for electricity, but I pay less PLN 180 per year for no commercial fee. So PLN 160 ahead.

With a contract for 3 years, the trade fee for the tariff with an EKO service technician (service and electricity with a green certificate) is PLN 32.40 per month for PLN 4 cheaper electricity! Here you either have to use the "failure rate" of household appliances intensively to make it profitable, or / and you have to have a really high power consumption so that the cheaper electricity covers the cost of the trade fee.

It is similar with PGNiG

I will add from the tariffs that supposedly protect against an increase (with a fixed price) are in fact not with a fixed price but with a fixed discount. Tauron is so cleverly trying to trick customers.

https://czysteogarzenia.pl/2019/07/jak-uciec-od-oplaty-handlowej-za-prad/

Thanks for your valuable comments.

I will have something to consider. :)

greetings

Hello
I currently have the W-1.1 tariff because it was low consumption (only a gas stove was connected). Since December, I have a condensing boiler connected and I heat the house + DHW and a cooker. So the consumption is much higher (since the connection of the stove in December until today, I have already used 980 m3. And now I have a question, colleagues, how to solve it in the best way for me, of course, for me, i.e. switching to a higher tariff, because I do not really understand it. May it be better to change the tariff to a higher one (before this reading) earlier, because apparently you can change the tariff once a year What is best to do in my case, colleagues?

At PGNiG, the tariff is changed automatically on the basis of gas consumption in the preceding year.
if you have less than 1000 m3, from the new contractual year you will automatically enter the W-2.1 tariff.
If you use over 1200 m3 annually in the next year, you will enter the W-3.6 tariff from the next year.
On your own, you can choose between a tariff with a 12T ending, where you enter the meter reading every month and get an invoice every month according to your consumption.
In tariffs without 12T you get the so-called forecast invoices which usually means that you have the arithmetic mean of last year's consumption.
You will use, for example, 1200 m3, which is an average of 100 m3 / month, and the forecasts are in cycles every 2 months, so you will get 6 invoices with consumption of approx. 200 m3 for the whole year.
After a year, the meter will be written down and the correction will be made, from which you will have an underpayment or an overpayment, depending on the actual consumption.
The 12T tariff for me is about PLN 3 net / month more expensive than the W-2.1, but at least I pay according to the actual consumption and I can use later historical data for comparisons, because the meter readings are consistent with the actual state, not a fictitious forecast, because you will not use it in the summer 200 m3, and you can have such an invoice.

For some, the tariff without 12T is an advantage, because they have more or less fixed fees spread throughout the year. In the * .12T tariff you have low bills in the summer, but high in the winter, and this must be taken into account in the home budget, so that there will be no surprise later.

Added after 9 [minutes]:

Last season, my consumption exceeded 1200 m3, so from the new contractual year I will automatically jump into the W-3.12T tariff, which means about PLN 300 higher subscription fees per year compared to the W-2.12T tariff. In other words, the total bills will increase by about PLN 300 only due to the fact that I have exceeded the consumption threshold of 1,200 m3 per contractual year.
Up to 1200m3 you are in W-2, and from 1201m3 you enter W-2, so this 1m3 can cost an additional PLN 300 per year, so if someone is close to this 1200m2 limit, it is worth controlling and guarding, unless someone owes the 300 PLN

The W-1 has the most expensive gas, but a very cheap subscription. There is cheaper gas in the W-3, but the subscription itself is about PLN 60 per month, and after this consumption you can see that maybe this year you will still get W-2, but next year it is rather for the W-3 bank. For example, the W-3 tariff becomes cheaper than the W-2 only after consuming about 2400 m3 per year (I used to count it for other gas prices), even though you jump into W-3 from 1200 m3.

I would not declare a willingness to switch to W-2 or W-3 myself, but I would wait for them to switch themselves. Just take into account that if you have forecasts for e.g. PLN 40 a month (PLN 480 a year), you actually have about PLN 1,500 to pay (in total, from 1,900 for these 980 m2 and subscriptions).

Wojewoda82 wrote:

The W-1 has the most expensive gas, but a very cheap subscription.

I did not do calculations for W-1, because normally W-2 or W-3 come out for a gas boiler. The W-1 can only be in the transitional period, when someone has assembled a gas boiler for the first time, so this will be the case only once. Then in the following years we will have either the W-2 or the W-3, because another option in the household is not an option.

Wojewoda82 wrote:

There is cheaper gas in the W-3, but the subscription itself is about PLN 60 per month

Yes, gas is cheaper, but this cheapness throughout the year gives me about PLN 20 savings, which is a rather ridiculous amount per year, because all savings will be absorbed by higher subscription fees and in total it is a few hundred zloty increase in my area.
That is why I avoid using the phrase cheaper gas, because someone else will think that the W-3 tariff is cheaper and more profitable, which in practice is a fiction.

Wojewoda82 wrote:

Just take into account that if you have forecasts for e.g. PLN 40 a month (PLN 480 a year), you actually have about PLN 1,500 to pay (in total, from 1,900 for these 980 m2 and subscriptions).

it is probably obvious that if someone has forecasts and pays as for the consumption of only a gas stove, and suddenly installs a gas boiler, the surcharge at the end of the contract year will be felt in the pocket, because actual consumption drastically soars compared to previous forecasts. For this reason, no one should be surprised by an additional payment of PLN 1500-2000. But it's good that you pay attention to it, because not everyone understands it.

In my case, a physical gas worker came to read the meter 15 days before the end of the contract year. I don't know if it was a coincidence or if this is what they do as standard. In fact, if we want to save on the subscription, we can lower the reading before the end of the contract year and adjust it after entering the new period. Only such a number will be passed only once - an employee will come and then enter the actual consumption anyway.
In my case, I have already used 922 m3 of gas, the contractual period ends in June 2021, so I will rather return to the W2 tariff and it will remain so (unless there is a harsh winter, it will be W3 again). The building is insulated between the first year in the apartment and the second and you can see the difference in gas consumption.

usually they come to me around the 20th of the month.
I do not know what you want to lower, because when they come to write down the counter 20 and then you exceed the limit, it will not give you anything to lower on the 30/31 day of the month.
Potentially, it makes sense if they come 20 and you are below the limit and only on the 30th / 31st day you slightly exceed the limit.

Exactly as you write, counters are written down the streets at the end of the contractual period. The entire street has the same contract year dates.
I got into the w2 tariff and it is as you predicted. Bills a little lower.


I even met a woman by accident who wrote down the counters on the cage. Actual read date doesn’t match (a couple of days), but that’s not my problem. Unless these readings stretch later, because she wrote 2 meters more for me.
Thank you for the discussion, I close the topic.

Exactly as you write, counters are written down the streets at the end of the contractual period. The entire street has the same contract year dates.
I got into the w2 tariff and it is as you predicted. Bills a little lower.


I even met a woman by accident who wrote down the counters on the cage. Actual read date doesn’t match (a couple of days), but that’s not my problem. Unless these readings stretch later, because she wrote 2 meters more for me.
Thank you for the discussion, I close the topic.

Added after 7 [minutes]:

advised on the differences between the w2 and w3 tariffs in PGNiG's distribution fees.