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  • Today, a simple design - a 'desktop' server with the capacity to accommodate 8 drives.

    Everyone wants a file server that is small, cheap, capacious, expandable and powerful. As it is in life, it is difficult to combine all these features.... But let's try an intermediate proposal that meets some of these characteristics.
    Some time ago, the Raspberry 4 single-board nanocomputer appeared. The previous model was good for control or simple algorithms, but the amount of memory did not knock it down. Here there is up to 4GB RAM, 1Gbps network support, powerful USB3(x2) and all for acceptable money. The software (I'm using Ubuntu server) accepts USB3 Hub and USB3 drives, so the only thing missing is a case.... But what do we have a printer for? I designed a simple enclosure for the 'Pi' (with a passive enclosure in the form of a heatsink), 8 drives and a USB3 Hub with selective power on for the drives.

    Home file server - a toddler, lots of USB drives and a printed enclosure

    Printing was carried out on an Ender3 printer. Printing time - approximately 3 days non-stop.
    The project was intended to be 'economical' - hence no raft and support and lots of holes. To speed up the print I also switched off the 'rip' and filament withdrawal (a few hours extra).
    The print requires a lot of post-processing (a lot of 'threads' are left and the windows have to be corrected) but there is no objection to not saving time and then there is less post-processing.... Something for something...
    The print used 1/4 roll of filament (cheapest PLA Plastspaw).
    Settings - 205C head, 63C table (first layers 65). Obviously the print was the least precise.
    I did not clean the disk chambers during assembly ('threads' provide good cushioning and are thin enough that there is no risk of overheating. The chambers accommodate any of the USB portable drives - including the tall 4TB ones. I currently have 4 4T drives running and I can hardly hear the drives at all (well... you can hear the heads moving a bit).
    The biggest problem is with the 'Raspberry'. The chamber is very cramped. I decided to remove the inner wall, but it seems that after cleaning the chamber more carefully it would fit at least to the touch.
    I expected the 'Pi' to overheat during operation. Fortunately, even under heavy load (antivirus checking disks - 100% ) the external temperature did not exceed 65C which I consider to be an acceptable value. The temperature under no load was around 40C.
    If we're on the 'Pi' - don't skimp on the amount of memory. Buy the 4GB version. Especially if you want to have additional services on it besides SAMBA (GIT, HTTP server, Jellyfin, DNS server). On mine (2GB) a stupid antivirus (ClamAV) can consume all the memory. If we're only thinking of a file server without any 'tricks' or antivirus, then 2G is more than enough - unless we want much bigger disks.
    If I had to repeat the 'production' of the case, I would probably opt for a different material (PET-G) and thicken the walls a bit in some places (currently it is 1mm). Eventually the top and back wall will also be needed but.... there is a bit of a problem with the 'raspberry' starting up with the disks on (and it's probably not a power supply issue). For me, the problem is not annoying enough to fight it but access to the sockets is necessary.... Fortunately reboots are rare. Another issue is that it's standing in my workshop where it doesn't have to be beautiful but there can't be a pile of drives loose :)
    The whole thing works reliably and meets all (realistic) expectations.... The transfer rate (measured) is 100Mbps (for mechanical disks). The media server works without jamming. There is no mirroring or RAID5 but if one has such needs then no problem :)
    As for configuration - plain Ubuntu on Raspberry Pi + Debian/Ubuntu archive packages (plus SNAP). The disks must be named. In fstab we enter static mapping to the names (there is no guarantee of disk 'letter' allocation). In the Samba configuration we define the allocations. I, for example, have an additional partition with SD shared independently of the HDD in addition to the HDD. It's worth configuring 'spare' directories and shares - for example, so that you can add a new drive 'for a while' without revolution. Then you can do a 'mount' and you can already see its contents.
    One additional note - power supply and hub - I have a 3A power supply and unfortunately but adding more than 4 drives causes me problems precisely with powering the drives.... You can cope either by selectively turning the drives on, or by plugging the others into the raspberry (but I wouldn't advise above 2 - not saying there are only 2 USB3 and 2 USB2 sockets).
    I attach the zipped STL and GCODE files (under Ender 3 pro).

    Home file server - a toddler, lots of USB drives and a printed enclosure
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    w_d
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  • #2 19218556
    Y0G0TT1
    Level 3  
    Good Morning
    Great project, I am also just building a home file server on my tiny and I have one question, did you connect usb hard drives to the rpi or maybe SATA drives via an adapter?
    If the latter, which adapter (model) did you choose for the SATA drives?
    Best regards
  • #3 19218677
    Anonymous
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  • #4 19218698
    glazikx
    Level 12  
    w_d wrote:
    there is some problem with booting the 'raspberry' with the disks on (and this is probably not a power supply issue).

    In my case, powering the drives from outside the raspberry usb port helped. It's a known problem, Disks have too much instantaneous current draw at startup.
  • #5 19218755
    w_d
    Level 13  
    Y0G0TT1 wrote:
    Good morning
    Great project, I am also just building a home file server on my little one and I have one question, did you connect usb hard drives to the rpi or maybe SATA drives via an adapter?
    If the latter, which adapter (model) did you choose for the SATA drives?
    Best regards


    i use USB drives for 'historical' reasons. Previously I have attached Iomega and Emtec to servers but they just angered me with their slowness and unstable operation
    Potentially one SATA drive I might attach, but via an adapter (old USB2 type). Reason also historical (I already have :) )

    Added after 25 [minutes]:

    khoam wrote:
    It would be helpful to post a picture of the final product.

    Will try to upload soon

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    glazikx wrote:
    w_d wrote:
    there is some problem with booting the 'raspberry' with the disks on (and this is probably not a power supply issue).

    In my case, powering the drives from outside the raspberry usb port helped. This is a known problem, Disks have too much instantaneous power consumption at startup.


    The hub has its own active power supply. Only that the Chinese have probably not thought through the current flows and the hub is just as likely to power the Raspberry as the disks. Such a hub of special care I will triple :) other I do not have and do not plan any purchases (unless I sign up on 'Patronite' :) )
  • #6 19218935
    atek000
    Level 18  
    You can rewire the wire connecting the raspberry to the USB HUB, cut off the +5V wire. Leave only +D and -D ground.
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  • #7 19219080
    siewcu
    Level 35  
    w_d wrote:
    Printing was carried out on an Ender3 printer. Printing time - approximately 3 days non-stop.
    The project was intended to be 'economical' - hence no raft and support and lots of holes. To speed up the print I also switched off the 'rip' and withdrawal of the filament (a few hours extra).

    Funny thing. In my Cura 60mm/s, 0.2mm layer and it shows some 44h. And tell me how did you save a few hours on retraction alone? Very interesting case.
  • #8 19219133
    w_d
    Level 13  
    atek000 wrote:
    You can rewire the wire connecting the raspberry to the USB HUB, cut off the +5V wire. Leave only +D and -D ground.


    Not really... there can be problems.... And it is not only the Hub that is the problem - also the Malinka firmware....

    Added after 14 [minutes]:

    siewcu wrote:
    w_d wrote:
    Printing was carried out on an Ender3 printer. Printing time - approximately 3 days non-stop.
    The project was conceived as 'economical' - hence no raft and support and lots of holes. To speed up the print I also switched off the 'rip' and withdrawal of the filament (a few hours extra).

    Funny thing. In my Cura 60mm/s, 0.2mm layer and it shows some 44h. And tell me how you saved a few hours on retraction alone? Very interesting case.


    I didn't move the speed. I have changed padding, support, infill (with the rest there is nothing in it). For standart quality with retraction I have 3 days. Without retraction I have 2 days 9 hours. I use Ultimaker Cura 4.8.

    Still time correction - it was 3 days but there were breaks :)
  • #9 19219797
    slavo666
    Level 23  
    Which features does the 'raspberry' fulfil as a file server that a PC on a mini itx board with Xpenology installed does not do better and probably even cheaper?
  • #10 19219862
    Simon79
    Level 21  
    I once made a server on a raspberry pi zero wifi with a flash drive instead of a disk. All I had to do was boot the raspberry without the flash drive and everything crashed 😠. I think such games are for people who like challenges and problems.
    I bought an HP terminal for 70zł I put openmediavault and everything laughs. But I'm not discouraging anyone from using malinka. It's just not for me.
  • #11 19219944
    w_d
    Level 13  
    Simon79 wrote:
    I once made a server on a raspberry pi zero wifi with a flash drive instead of a disk. All I had to do was boot the raspberry without the flash drive and everything crashed 😠. I think such games are for people who like challenges and problems.
    I bought an HP terminal for 70£ I put openmediavault and everything laughs. But I'm not discouraging anyone from using malinka. It's just not for me.


    You are absolutely right only....
    - i checked the operation with 1 disk disconnected. Everything gets up - just see an empty share. The only problem at the moment is the emergence from the disabled state with disks connected, but I think I will solve the problem once I am well pissed off.
    - currently I cannot hear the server. I can hear the computer (fan). Unfortunately each of the file servers also had 'fans'.
    - I have converted several home file servers. Not computers pretending to be fileservers. All had problems. What I have now provides file storage for the whole family and serves as a media server and.... It is the 'i' that I appreciate the most :)

    Added after 21 [minutes]:

    slavo666 wrote:
    What qualities does a "raspberry" as a file server do that a PC on a mini itx board with Xpenology installed doesn't do better and probably even cheaper?


    What it doesn't have :
    - a certain stand up with attached disks. I will look into the problem (IMHO it is possible to change the drivers of the built-in hub settings to sequentially switch on the power - if the manufacturer has not gone into total economy (and deviation from what the standard says)
    - there is no mirroring - I mean, the theory is that it can be set up but I miss the drives)
    - there is no soft drop at power failure and no voltage buffering until writing from the buffers ceases
    - more memory (2G is the limit - if I turn on all services, I have max. 1G left for buffering and turning on the antivirus is a disaster). Of course, I do not have virtual memory (I do not want to replace the flash every now and then)
    - tuning of the kernel. At the moment, I'm running on a 'ubuntu kernel from a package'. So there are a bunch of unnecessary drivers etc. I also see, for example, that the scheduler usually bypasses the 3rd core for some unknown reason. This needs work but there is no when....
    - which has and is a problem - frequent software upgrade.
    What it has:
    It works extremely stable. Such Iomega or Emtec (in total brands) when they got a heavy load (many workstations and random writing/reading files) they could collapse. Iomega, having a specialised HW, was so stupid that it could delete files. None gave such performance. What I get from raspberry I find satisfactory.
    Linux on the machine means being able to play with all sorts of things - for example - home DNS (response time for known <1ms), home 'wikis' (and generally playing with HTTP for the kids), a GIT repository for me and the kids, some home automation and data collection. It all takes very little CPU and memory and everyone enjoys the result
    There is also a media server, but that's another game.

    In total, I do not have any 'equivalent' which would run without fans and was equally efficient :)
  • #12 19220005
    tacman
    Level 17  
    I finished playing with the Raspberry about 3 years ago.
    Admittedly, these computers have their advantages, but I wouldn't use it as a server.
    At my house we have several desktops, laptops, mobile phones etc.
    A file server (one of the functions of a whole server) is supposed to work and it does. No one can think about whether it will be OK or NOT. Just think, for example, a child needs during e-learning a photo of what they have just done, and the photos sync with the file server via NextCloud to an external resource. You are at work and here suddenly…
    The days of makeshifts are gone for me irretrievably.
    A Dell OptiPlex 3020M like this with 16GB RAM does what it's supposed to do and is quiet enough that even a single platter drive is noisier than it, and still everything at my place is on SSD for convenience (e.g. speed of data retrieval).

    Also, I am all for designing home „servers”, but on something that can realistically cope and will ultimately be maintenance-free. Well, except maybe for updates :)

    EDIT:
    I currently have the following fired up on the server:
    - fully configured packet routing (iptables)
    - hTTP server with SSL + php
    - mySQL server
    - fTP server
    - dNS cache server
    - miniDLNA server
    - backup server (resources for data dump as backup)
    - nFS server (I don't use SAMBA because I don't even have a single Windows, but you can install it if you need to)
    - mPD server (USB sound card support)
    - dHCP server
    - nextCloud server (quite a few additional applications as we need them)
    - uniFi server (support for Ubiquity - I have 3 APs at home)
    - nTP server
    - mail server

    The whole thing is connected via a UPS to the power supply. The software from APC easily shuts down the server after almost 170 minutes without power (15 minutes of battery operation remains).
    The main drive for the NextCloud is connected to SATA (2TB SSD). In addition, 2x2TB SSD connected via USB 3.0 for FLAC files + 4x8TB HDD (daily backup) in RAID5 + 4x8TB in RAID 10 (weekly backup). This second RAID is an additional backup of the most important data.
    The server itself performs the backups set in CRON.
    For more than 3 years, only UPD. The family does not know it has a server, in the sense that it works and nothing needs to be done.
    I don't need anything else for the time being.

    I've previously gone through Synology, QNAP and others + routers (including MikroTik or Ubiquity).
    This server beats all of that with its functionality.
    Fact - there is a fan, but it's a Dell solution and not only is it quiet as hell, it's completely adjustable. With a load of around 10% of the machine, there really isn't much that spins up. Even if it dies, at most the server will shut down but not cook.
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  • #13 19220104
    djdavsbasse
    Level 2  
    Hello,
    I too am in the process of making a home NAS server on a raspberry. I have version 4 with 4GB RAM, it is also available with 8GB but 4 is completely sufficient.
    Ultimately I want to run 12 SATA 3.5" 1TB drives on it, at the moment I only have 2 drives connected.
    I still need to make an enclosure for them and change the power supply, because the current one cannot handle so many drives, and I want to add a UPS.
    I'm connecting the drives via adapters (with re-configured power supply) SATA-USB3.0 + TP-Link active hubs.
    The system is Raspbian with Open Media Vault installed and Docker for that.
    Running services:
    in OMV: DLNA, Samba, SSH, Open VPN, I don't need the rest.
    in Docker: Nginx, qBittorrent, Nextcloud, jdownloader, motioneye, duckdns and cloudflareddns, there was also pihole and adguard for testing but they blocked ads on average. I also tested domoticz and homeassistant, but it was too much for the raspberry, smarthome systems are better placed on a separate raspberry.
    Everything has only been running on 2 disks for the past 5mths, as I haven't had time to finish it.
    During this time I have had three crashes, two caused by my ignorance when installing programs and one due to a power outage, the partition table on one drive crashed (rather it was the drive's fault as they are not new) and I had to recreate it, no data was lost.
    OMV has a function to combine disks into arrays but it is a software RAID so I would rather not recommend it. In the case of my failure, instead of quickly recreating the table, I would have had to repair the whole array.

    I had some minor and major problems along the way, one of the biggest being a problem with the disks. They were not visible all at once in OMV. The problem with me was not the power supply, as I was powering the disks separately and not from the raspberry. After further analysis, it became apparent that the problem lay with the adapters and the controllers used in them. In mine, a VLI711S chip was used. It didn't show the real drive information manufacturer / model / SN just replaced it with the ones stored in the eeprom, the drives showed up as USB3.0 with SN ABCDEF.... Through this there was a conflict in OMV because it treated them as the same. On the internet I found another eeprom batch and the adapters were already showing the manufacturer and model from the drive but the SN was still ABCD.... This did not solve my problem because my drives are the same and only the SN differs. I got around the problem by applying my own udev/rules to the system:
    https://github.com/openmediavault/openmediava...mmit/f6e3834fb5b420cb981958e875bd7d1f8a8ac421

    By the way, I discovered that the adapters on the JMicron chip have the same problem, only they are more popular and such rules have already been added by the OMV authors, so there were no problems.
    Going back to the eeprom batches I am attaching them and I have a request to forumers to give me some guidance on how I can edit them.
    I have compared them in hexedit and they differ only in the "end" of the code. I also tried editing the SN by changing one letter but unfortunately the controller then would not start. I suspect that something like a "check sum" should be calculated in the code but unfortunately I can't do this and I couldn't find anything about this in the application note of the VLI chip.
    I would be very grateful for a look in the files and for the guidance given.
    Wsady-kont...er VLI.zip Download(31.89 kB)

    All in all I am happy with the system, I have configured it for myself and it runs smoothly. Disk transfer speeds are typically 100-120MB/s for HDD. You can run many other things on it, such as web server, apache, sql, wordpress, plex etc.
    Unfortunately, if I were to make such a server commercially, I think it would be better to buy a ready-made one, e.g. Qnap or Synology. I made it because I already had many of the components and the cost of the build didn't come out big, and I could learn a lot of new things in the process.
    This configuration will only work at home, for a small business the Raspberry is still too weak for this and the cost of building it comparable to off-the-shelf solutions, maybe it will be better in the next RPi release.

    Good luck to all who are building their solutions.
    Regards
  • #14 19220211
    tkordus
    Level 26  
    Still PiHole is worth installing :)
  • #15 19220485
    w_d
    Level 13  
    tacman wrote:
    A Dell OptiPlex 3020M with 16GB RAM does what it's supposed to do and is quiet enough that even a single platter drive is noisier than it, and still everything at my place is on SSD for convenience of operation (e.g. speed of data retrieval).


    All in all, you're right. Why do anything. And you're right that you need to use proven components for 'mission critical' stuff. And you know... for work I use IBM x-series in small configurations (4xXeon 120GBRAM, SSD array in a rack with air-conditioning, UPS and genset) but .... Well - that's the but ... Instead of buying some cheap Synology DS1621 plus 6 SSD drives at 8TB each, I decided to do something to use the things that are already underfoot and at the same time show the children that something can be done. By assumption without investment (only the cost of the filament - a spool of 40 PLN went 1/4 spool)

    ATSD - Optiplexes were given out of leases faster also due to the fact that after a few years their capacitors shoot out. It is worth checking how things are in your equipment....

    Added after 19 [minutes]:

    djdavsbasse wrote:
    Hello,
    I too am in the process of making a home NAS server on a Raspberry. I have the version 4 with 4GB RAM, it is also available with 8GB but 4 is completely sufficient.


    That's right.
    This is my second take on file servers for the home. And it finally meets the requirements - what's more, it's amenable (to some extent) to development.
    I published because of the cage design done in 3D printing - a bit of an extreme project when it comes to a simple home printer.
    Fortunately, there were already some who explained that nothing should be done because if it is, it should be at Oracle Exadata level.
    Next time everyone will think three times before publishing something less ambitious than the Death Star or an antimatter blaster.
    And rightly so - because why should Poles make and invent something when you can buy almost brand new, post-lease stuff from Germany, for example. Let's save the environment!

    Added after 26 [minutes]:

    tkordus wrote:
    Still PiHole worth installing :)


    This solves client-side (uBlock) plus DNS....
  • #16 19220592
    icosie
    Level 34  
    Hello

    I see the Chinese equivalent of a 7 port HUB. I would advise against using this thing if you want to keep any important things connected to it. I've had 3 of these and all three broke in half after a short time (there are actually 2 4 port HUBs clipped together inside and that's how they report in the device manager), pulling 1 SSD, 3 pendrives, bluetooth to USB and the printer controller :/ I had my own, good, tested 5V/5A power supply, but alas. The failure of the controller occurred when switching the port power switch....

    If you're not scared then no problem, but still, for that amount of data and hardware I'd go for something more branded, due to possible losses.

    As for the whole design you can see that it is done with a head, I also like the "texture" of the case ;)

    I'm also going to experiment with a Malinka for myself, but I don't have a full plan yet.

    Greetings
  • #17 19220627
    VaM VampirE
    Level 22  
    I'd try to do this on a raspberry compute module, throw in a SATA controller on PCI-E and use it as a NAS.
    Interesting idea, as a simple DIY pretty cool. Cheap, easy, and in projects like this keeping everything together is important.
    I've just taken on a raspberry myself but as a base for Homebridge and such topics.
    What's better is my first raspberry and overall the beginnings of playing with smart home.
    Sitting on heavy hardware, I've somehow become so fixated on the idea that I won't be able to play with anything on ARM because I think it's a mistake.

    Personally I'm banging on the bandwagon with my home lab, but I respect simple solutions.
    If someone is happy then why not? It's cheap, it's easy, and in projects like this keeping everything bought is important.

    I'm even ashamed to show my setup, because I'm going over the edge like I don't know.
    If I started a thread here, I'd get 15 pages of ranting and insults from which nothing would come.
    In general, respect must be had for anyone who dares to show anything on the electrode.
  • #18 19220771
    w_d
    Level 13  
    icosie wrote:
    Hello

    I see the Chinese equivalent of a 7 port HUB. I would advise against using this thing if you want to keep any important things connected to it. I've had 3 of these and all three broke in half after a short time (inside are actually 2 4 port HUBs clipped together and that's how they report in the device manager), pulling 1 SSD, 3 pendrives, bluetooth to USB and a printer driver :/ I had my own power supply, a good, tested 5V/5A, but alas. The controller failure was occurring when switching the port power switch....


    This hub is reporting as a single device. What was the nature of the damage? And what caused it in the attached devices? There are no high voltages there (other than 5V) and so the theory is that at most it shorted out 5V or 'let ground go'. The switch works in the 5V area. Interesting...

    My hub has other 'schematic simplifications' in the power supply circuit and I would sooner see the problem there to be honest.... But for now we are riding on what we have. And the Hub will soon reach the age where it will be replaced. But not today :)

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    VaM VampirE wrote:
    I would try to do this on a raspberry compute module, throw in a SATA controller on PCI-E and use it as a NAS.


    Compute Module doesn't have enough memory. For the rest, there is a newer approach - the RP2040.
    The RP3 had a problem with memory capacity and the way components were hooked up and as a result performance was mediocre.
  • #19 19220928
    VaM VampirE
    Level 22  
    A new compute module 4 came out that year. Based on the RPi 4, with 1Gb LAN on PCI-E and without the USB3.0 controller, which gives the possibility to use the PCI-E line that the RPi 4 B uses the USB 3 controller, to connect e.g. a SATA controller.

    Raspberry Pi CM4 Compute Module 4 - 8GB RAM + 16GB eMMC

    There is an option with 8GB of RAM, so quite a lot.

    As for the Pico I have two pieces, I ordered one by the way.
    But it's more for fun, because apart from the pi 4, I want to use the Wemos D1 Mini.
  • #20 19221657
    lechoo
    Level 39  
    @Vam VampirE
    All nice, but price-wise the CM4 + expansion board + SATA controller will come out 2x as much as the first better mini-itx board with 4xSATA on board....
  • #21 19221767
    VaM VampirE
    Level 22  
    I absolutely do not deny this, moreover the Pi itself as a server is a kind of art for art's sake.
    Let's not be silly, if you have such servos as HP ML350e, which I used to buy for 170 PLN gross without RAM, throwing in a scrap ECC ram, you have a server which carries 6 SATA drives.
    It's a Celeron inside, but it runs quite nicely, WD Ultrastar 10TB drives run on it, TrueNAS runs without any problems.

    Similar solutions can be found for a lot of money. So it's hard economically to depend on it.
    But if you're not doing it to make a profit, but for yourself and serious development, then I don't see anything wrong with overinvesting.

    Anyway, I made one homemade us myself by accident, from what I had on hand.
    The Supermicro board was bought for router testing at VM, the HDD I had after upgrading the main NAS, and the case I auctioned off (to my wife for her PC) but ended up using a bigger one, Noctuy fans from an old PC. It was lying around for probably six months, I put it back together, bought a power supply, 3 1T SSDs, a network drive from ebay and put the NAS together. Needed? Not at all at the time, but eventually it did come in handy, and eventually the 2TB RAID5 SSD on a 10Gb/s LAN became the main drive for banging through large files.
    Selling the clunkers didn't pay off, and throwing in the cash made the joyful monstrosity possible.
    Out of boredom I also pasted in an LED strip to make it shine like a real modder's construct.

    Home file server - a toddler, lots of USB drives and a printed enclosure

    I've gained a lot of respect for this poor Atom what's sitting on this board, it really is a tiny little thing that gets the job done. Better than the Celerons with the ML350e.
  • #22 19222360
    w_d
    Level 13  
    lechoo wrote:
    @Vam VampirE
    All nice, but price-wise the CM4 + expansion board + SATA controller will come out 2x as much as the first better mini-itx board with 4xSATA on board...


    You know just everything cool just maybe buy an Exadata box straight away?

    Just a reminder - it wasn't about making a server with a dozen fans etc. I have the right boxes for that and they go in separate rooms. It was about making something useful out of what is already in stock. The chassis was missing to complete it - and it is being demonstrated. The rest is an addition
  • #23 19222398
    zgierzman
    Level 31  
    VaM VampirE wrote:
    But if we're not doing it to make a profit, but for ourselves and serious development, then I see nothing wrong with overinvesting.


    But the maniacal attachment to SATA <-> USB adapters, to then make USB <-> SATA again, using Chinese USB hubs along the way.... As far as I'm concerned it's a sculpture in the brown matter....
    The enclosure itself is cool, but connecting x SATA drives in USB enclosures, via a poor quality USB hub, is a simple way to severe disappointment....
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  • #24 19222588
    w_d
    Level 13  
    zgierzman wrote:
    VaM VampirE wrote:
    But if we're not doing it to make a profit, but for ourselves and serious development, then I see nothing wrong with overinvesting.


    But the maniacal attachment to SATA <-> USB adapters, to then make USB <-> SATA again, using Chinese USB hubs along the way.... As far as I'm concerned it's a sculpture in the brown matter....
    The enclosure itself is cool, but connecting x SATA drives in USB enclosures, via a poor quality USB hub, is a simple way to severe disappointment...


    Yes, you're right - manic attachment. Admittedly, I have not used SATA-USB adapters and USB external drives in this design, but undoubtedly maniacal...After all, so says Mr Zgierzman. And Mr Zgierzman, I dare say that regardless of the stickers on the boxes, of the total number of hubs produced, probably 99% are manufactured in China and rather in the less developed ones (these are rather less advanced designs).... And I prefer not to guess where the others are manufactured....

    Thanks for the comment about "maniacal attachment to SATA <-> USB adapters" and "sculpting in brown matter".
    Thank you colleagues for making up your minds. All the field to you and your only right professional devices.

    I mark the statements of Zgierzman and VaM VampirE as helpful. I leave all statements for posterity. And in case I feel like showing anything in the future.
  • #25 19262372
    noel200
    Level 27  
    I recently did a us on some old board, an i3 and some disks. I also printed such small PLA mounts for the disks. After a month they all bent. PLA is not suitable. At 50* it already flows. The disks admittedly have no cooling, but they are not enclosed in an airtight case either.
  • #26 19263441
    siewcu
    Level 35  
    It doesn't flow, it just starts to deform.
  • #27 19264446
    lechoo
    Level 39  
    noel200 wrote:
    I also printed such small mounts from PLA for the drives (...)

    It's kind of crazy with these 3D printers ;) The youngsters have almost forgotten how to use a hacksaw, file and drill....

    Home file server - a toddler, lots of USB drives and a printed enclosure
  • #28 19264642
    VaM VampirE
    Level 22  
    Plus better cooling.

    As for the printers, they have their uses.
    Some small fixings, knobs, brackets.
    I've thought about it myself sometimes, but somehow I can't bring myself to do it.
  • #29 19265944
    siewcu
    Level 35  
    lechoo wrote:
    Young people have almost forgotten how to use a hacksaw, a file and a drill...

    Sometimes it's simpler to just print.... And this is where one mega advantage of printers comes out - you can do it at home without generating a mess. Drilling, cutting and sawing generate dirt, with printing there is none of that. In fact, you can even run it overnight....
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