Integration of Tuya devices with Satel and Ropam alarm systems: one-way communication

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Has anyone done any integration of equipment running Tuya with a Satel or Ropam alarm system?
The communication could even be one-way, so that the alarm exhibits violations of individual motion detectors and whether it is on standby.

xury · Accepted Answer

To transmit something to Tuya you need to have localtuy and know the dps number. I've just recently been figuring out EAMPDW-TY-63 and I'm able to control that from node-red.

xury · Accepted Answer

I don't know. I have a terrible aversion to all clouds. So I use nothing but google and smartnor.
From tuya, I only have the aforementioned EAMPDW-TY-63, and only because I couldn't find anything about whether it's possible to upload some alternative software to it. Basically I found nothing, so I decided to figure it out myself and I even succeeded.
I also had some LED bulbs, but what I did first was change the soft in them to Tasmota.

sk1977 · Answer

Theoretically possible - Tuya+Home Assistant + Satel Integra + ETHM1 plus or Tuya+Home Assistant + Ropam NeoGsm-IP 64 via modbus.
Just what for, Tuya detectors have a lot of errors (which are less important in the case of automation control), delays, etc - I wouldn't use them as an alarm element - they could cause false alarms. By default Tuya works in the cloud, so the Chinese can disable the alarm

. There was a big outage with Sonoff recently, Xiaomi's cloud before that, and Tuye will probably come along too, especially as they are working on new developments and are rather far off the mark (at least in terms of HA integration).
A lot of potential problems - it's better to give good alarm detectors (and suitable for the workplace), and do automation on Ropam or Integra. To this you can add e.g. Home Assistant (or HA-based AI-Speaker) and e.g. reading the status of the detectors from Integra, and the devices on zigbee and you have a system without dependence on external services.

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek · Answer

@sk1977 thanks very much for your reply but it seems you didn't quite understand what I was asking.
The idea is to send the status of the alarm sensors to IoT devices. This could be via Zigbee.

Basing the alarm on Tuya sensors is not acceptable.

I don't want to do automation on the alarm because it doesn't work. To change something in Satel you need to know Dloadx well. To change something in Ropam automation you need to know how to program.
This is not the way to go. That's why you have Tuya, for example, so that the average person can get to grips with automation.

sk1977 · Answer

- actually the same way - you won't do it directly - Satel can output the data via ETHM1 plus (integration) and Ropam via modbus (only version 64 if I remember correctly). Possibly using the outputs and connecting to Tuya supported devices, but these are further problems to solve. So you need an intermediary device - which will receive data from the control panel and can control the devices (e.g. HA). The transfer of data to the Tuya cloud itself is also a difficult topic - a closed ecosystem, although depending on what is to be controlled and how it is to be controlled maybe it would be possible to bypass this. For this type of connection, I would recommend Home Asssistant - you can base your automation on it and connect devices to it (e.g. zigbee multiband or Tuya local, or via the cloud - here the situation has recently become more complicated). In addition, you get rid of the dependence on a Chinese manufacturer and the failure of its servers, or even delays. Or use Tuya detectors - the deployment proper from the point of view of the alarm system and automation can be quite different in which case separate detectors would make sense.

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek · Answer

And isn't there such a thing as an input module running in Tuya? Server failures I'm not worried about as I have local control with buttons and remotes.

sk1977 · Answer

- I have not encountered such a thing. - how made? Maybe it can be plugged in here.

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek · Answer

Do you know what a typical Tuya module mounted in a flush-mounted box from a light looks like?

sk1977 · Answer

I know. but they are by definition just controlled by the cloud, unless you have other control - e.g. HA + localTuya or zigbbe.

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek · Answer

We are spinning in place.

sk1977 · Answer

That's right . I hadn't read about you having button and remote control, I was thinking of some other control. If that's the case, there's no need to keep going round in circles - theoretically doable, but difficult and expensive - the problem is a matter of inputting data into the Tuya ecosystem - you could use some switches connected to the control panel outputs (not likely to be direct) or flood/open sensors and read their status in the app. It's probably simpler and cheaper to use Tuya motion sensors and not connect to the alarm.

mac79mz · Answer

I was thinking of just transmitting the signal from SATEL to the TUYA sensor, something along the lines of "on" and "off". There are so many switches, and two, how to connect it to the control unit.

Description of operation: I leave the house with the alarm switched on, it sends a signal to the TUYA switch - its status changes, and the TUYA automation system continues to do its job, activates the cameras from private mode to recording, the sensor opening the door to the balcony or window sends notification if something happens, etc. Conversely, if the alarm is not switched on, opening the balcony or window will not send notification

in a nutshell, the alarm should be an on/off alarm and nothing more... a seemingly simple solution can also be combined with multi-channel switches, but for the beginning I would like so

someone can help

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek · Answer

@xury and then can reactions to be configured from the Tuya app?
Simple actions like: turn off all lights 30 seconds after the alarm is armed. If so, is it possible to configure such a scene and deactivate it when needed?

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek · Answer

Neogsm-ip-64 can be integrated into Home Asistant via MQTT. Tuya equipment also. The HA then acts as an intermediary.

There is another way that is universal regardless of which alarm you have. Well, you have to connect a Tuya stair light controller via a relay to the outputs of the control panel. We put what we are interested in on the alarm outputs and set the reaction to the change of state in the Tuya application.

kubiak2007 · Answer

An old topic, but I am currently facing a similar dilemma. I have a Satel Integra 256 PLUS alarm and I was originally planning to do my home automation using the Integra, but the complication of the system, cables etc. is making me go in the direction of Tuya (I'm putting in the right sockets, switches and that's it, no pulling extra cables). The only thing I can think of that the combination of alarm and Tuya would be useful for is the automatic closing of roller blinds and turning off the lights when the Satel alarm is activated. I was thinking of the following solution:

Purchase the following relay:
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connect the OUT from the control panel to this relay, set the relay as NO, when voltage is applied to the Input, the status would change to NC
set in Tuya to automatically lower the blinds and turn off the lights if the status of the switch changes to NC, automatically raise the blinds when the status changes to NO.

I stress that I have never been in contact with Tuya, does this have the right to work?

freebsd · Answer

. Can you write this more clearly? What controls what and what controls the actuators?

Szyszkownik Kilkujadek · Answer

. It will work. You set it up in Tuya. Just consider whether you are going into WiFi or ZigBee devices. This is an important decision.

kubiak2007 · Answer

Many thanks for the information! Which do you think is better? WiFi or ZigBee?

For the time being all I have is a Satel Integra alarm, as I mentioned earlier - I was going to do all the automation on that, but the amount of extra cables to lay out scares me. From what I've seen the Tuya system runs mainly on WiFi, so all the clutter goes away. Sorry for the silly questions, however, I have not been exposed to any system of this type before.

Helec · Answer

I know I'm digging up a topic but I accidentally stumbled across it while looking for a solution to the same problem. I just now came up with an idea that may be useful to someone in the future.

A solution to this problem could be to drive the Satel outputs of a device such as a 4ch Tuya wifi switch (let's call it TuyaA), which we connect to S1, S2, S3, S4. From this point on in the Tuya application, we see that the state of S1-S4 of the TuyaA device changes depending on what Satel sends to this module.

Now, in the place where we need to drive something from Tuya, we give another such module e.g. a 4ch Tuya wifi switch (let's call it TuyaB in working terms). We connect to its relay outputs for the individual channels, and in the Tuya application we create logic in the style:

If TuyaA gets a signal on S1 then TuyaB switches on relay 1
If TuyaA loses the signal on S3 then TuyaB turns relay 3 off.
And so similarly for any number of outputs.

This should be fairly intuitive for a reasonably savvy user.
The only remaining problem is the delay between devices.

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