Ozone Treatment Disaster: Persistent Smell and Soot Issues in Home and Clothes

Hello, I have a huge unpleasant problem after ozonation, unfortunately the timer broke, I set it for 15 minutes and left the house, I came back after 12 hundred hours and the ozonator continued to run which led to a disaster (ozonator 60 g with tiles, room 47 m3). Everything smells burnt and smoulders from completely everything even from me, it is impossible to air it out, washing clothes does nothing (from the washing machine and sinks also smoulders), I get up after sleeping equally smelly and dirty because these "smoulders" are soot, it's still full of dirt and dust, it's been going on for a few months now (since February) my life is in ruins, I can't get away from it, even from the car it has started to smoulder, please help, I'm already on the verge of a breakdown... It's impossible to live like this ...

What do you mean smouldering? Was the car in the room too if it was smouldering too?
It's not the ozone's fault, a quote from a company that performs such services.

Ozonating a room may take an hour, but in more difficult cases it will take several or even several hours.

Maybe the ozonator smoked? But a few months smouldering? Whatever that is supposed to mean. I suspect a psychological problem rather than actual discomfort.

ciapol899 wrote:

continuously full of dirt and dust

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The ozonator does not emit particulates. Show pictures of this "dirt and dust from the ozonator".

mipix wrote:

The ozonator does not emit particulates.

If you have an overly developed imagination you can see it all.

ciapol899 wrote:

everything smells burnt and on top of that it smoulders to the ground

You don't live in a burn pit, do you? Write it in human terms.

If the author isn't a bot writing silly things, it might be worth learning something from his potential mistakes.

I wonder if there is a reasonable limit to ozone time. Does multiplying the recommended time cause any loss or permanent changes to the materials. The example instruction manual (attached) gives a recommended MINIMUM working time for the volume of the car. Presumably to achieve some perceptible effect. But what if we exaggerate in the other direction? Does the principle of "too much is unhealthy" apply here? Perhaps we have just such a case here.
Information gleaned from googling mentions something about degradation of rubber and "electronics", which suggests that before ozonising the car, it would need to be disassembled a little, i.e. removing e.g. the radio, maybe also the electronic meter and door seals.

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Strange smell after ozonating the car .
It sometimes happens that ozonation leaves behind an unpleasant smell. This is not a peculiar ozone smell, as the gas will decompose into the oxygen we breathe after only a few minutes or so. The strange smell is most often due to the combination of decontamination by-products with ozone.

Fortunately, it poses no threat to human health, so you have nothing to fear.

How do you get rid of it? In most cases, airing out the car is sufficient. However, sometimes you will also need to vacuum the floor mats and wipe the seats with a damp cloth. To view the material on this forum you must be logged in.

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The above suggests that this new 'smell' is the decomposition/oxidation products of whatever was in the room - perhaps the dust and dirt the author himself mentioned.

The second point is also interesting. One can guess that there are good and bad ozonators E.g. hereTo view the material on this forum you must be logged in. one can read that plate ozonators are bad because:

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Most ozonators sold on the market are based on ceramic plate technology. Their use for ozonating the interior of a car, de-fumigating the air conditioning, can do more harm than good. Such ozonators produce large quantities of harmful nitrogen polyoxides. Nitrous acid produced during the synthesis of nitrogen polyoxides with water vapour contained in the car cockpit not only causes allergies, but also damages, discolours upholstery, plastics and damages electronics. It can also leave an odour that cannot be removed despite intensive ventilation.

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Unfortunately, I could not find a photo of the interior of the KORONA A20 ozonator, but the manufacturer states that

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Method of ozone generation – silent corona discharge, in-house technology (steel-glass lamps coated with platinum-iridium alloy are manufactured in our laboratory)
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The topic could be interesting as long as the author gives some specifics. The smell will not show, but this "dirt" can already be captured by photography.

mipix wrote:

The smell won't show, but this 'dirt' can already be captured by photography

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It is rather difficult to photograph your own visions.

I found something like this:

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Is the ozonator for the car safe? .

Our ozonators are safe because they are distinguished by their advanced ozone production technology through so-called glass-platinum lamps. Using an ozonator based on safe ozone production technology will not cause any damage to your car ? the ozone decomposes into the oxygen we breathe. Unfortunately, most ozonisers on the market are based on ceramic plate technology. Such devices produce large quantities of nitrogen polyoxides, which then convert to nitric acid and effectively destroy electronics or discolour upholstery or dashboard components.
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And also this:To view the material on this forum you must be logged in.

I'm not a chemist, I don't know the smell of nitric (nitrous?) acid. But the instructions for use stipulate a MAXIMUM level of humidity. My guess is that very humid air + lots of ozone from ceramic tiles x time = nitrous acid smell. Maybe this is the point?

Not enough data. The author did not write what type of ozonator he treated the room with.
The manufacturer of those 10 times more expensive ozonators where ozone is produced by steel-glass lamps coated with a platinum-iridium alloy does not state whether they also generate nitrogen polyoxides. There is only information that the (Chinese - 10 times cheaper) lamellar ones generate large amounts of these polyoxides and that is wrong. There is no rigid data on how much it is. Maybe the expensive ones produce safe amounts of these polyoxides and on some scale there is an average amount? That's a bit of marketing.

Hello.
Ozone (or rather the product of its decomposition - atomic oxygen) is very reactive and one of the strongest oxidants, it is lethal for living organisms, including humans.
After ozonisation, a "characteristic" smell remains, if there were easily oxidisable materials in the room, this is bound to happen with a high concentration of ozone, admittedly the lifespan is minutes, but at high concentrations it is not out of the question.
I have to worry, what happened happened everywhere ozone reached, so also in upholstery or cushions, in fabrics, etc.
The only thing left to do is to air it out like a bonfire, wash everything you can and replace the rest.
By the way, why did you use an ozonator in the room? Some kind of sterilisation? Have you been influenced by marketing to believe that it is the golden cure for everything?
Best regards

I have ozonised more than once for a few hours and nothing like that happens (with an ozonator with ceramic plates and 90W hospital UV lamps). The only thing that damaged the flowers was the UV rays falling on them. As for ozone, there is a finite amount of oxygen in the room and after a while most of the oxygen will combine with other particles and nothing happens .

It does not literally smoulder, but smoulders as if something is burning. It's not visions, it's the result of not using the ozonator properly - here for a very long time - in a very soggy house (such great dampness is after replacing the windows with thermal insulation, without sealing them).
Colleague @viayner explained what happened was the nitrogen compounds combined with water still smoke.
In the situation described - practically everything to be thrown out, including the plaster on the walls.

I would love to see the effects of such an overdose of ozone treatment. Perhaps the author will show some photos of this ubiquitous soot.

pikarel wrote:

Colleague @viayner explained what happened, it's the nitrogen compounds combined with water that are still fuming.

Since February? Probably not...
Provocation.

Ozotic acid needs 900*C and above 95% humidity to form - i.e. in cars highly likely - in the home - well, if the colleague hasn't aired, or dried the laundry in the meantime - very possible.

An ozonator on ceramic tiles works on "cold plasma" (1600 - 3000 degrees Celsius).
As for the tile one, it went freely in a room of 20m2 at my place for an hour and nothing happened, and the "characteristic smell" (because ozone is odourless, this smell is the smell of clean air - like in a thunderstorm, when plasma is just created - lightning - and there is rain - moisture).

The plate ozonator is VERY hot after such an hour-long session, despite - in my case - the aluminium housing. The previous one, plastic, probably wouldn't have lasted - that's why the manufacturer didn't stipulate more than 30 minutes in it).

The nitric acid won't get rid of it mate, in which case the only thing left to do is to REALLY ozonate and REGULARly ventilate (preferably through) and wash and mop everything possible (and safe) with vinegar-containing products - such as LEVELS of window cleaning fluid.

Another thing about nitric acid - apart from moisture, it needs .... AMONY below 900*C, so I recommend avoiding ammonia-containing agents.

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I personally rule out the acid option, however, as the author talks about a "burning stench" - Nitric acid has a biting, "sour" smell - similar to acid rain. In my opinion, the ozonator burned out and the stench simply permeated everything, and a colleague carried the stench into the car on his clothes.

15 years ago, my TV burned down, grey in the flat, the smell disappeared after about 90 days.
More recently, a power cable - the kind for a computer - caught a short circuit and burned my carpet - the smell lingered for a fortnight.
In both cases it was summer, so the window was open or ajar.

The burning smell can also be the fault of the ozonator, or rather its neglect of the equipment - if it was heavily soiled, the dirt simply burned off - the effect is obvious.

I once turned on a 10g plate ozonator in a small room with fungus and a lot of 'junk'. After about an hour, the room was full of mist/smoke. To this day I don't understand what it produced.

OPservator wrote:

Ozotic acid needs 900*C and above 95% humidity to form - so in cars highly likely - at home - well if your colleague didn't ventilate, or dried his laundry in the meantime - very possible.

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And where in the car do you have 900°C? Probable according to you though inside the cylinder probably yes. But at home

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very possible

900°C? Unless it's in yours. Surely you like that kind of 900°C climate? No Come down to earth from the sun. The sun is bad for your head.

DiZMar wrote:

And where in the car do you have 900°C? According to you likely though inside the cylinder probably yes. But at home

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And didn't they teach you to read at school? The plate ozonator generates cold plasma, as I wrote about.

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DiZMar wrote:

900°C? Unless it's in yours. Surely you like that kind of 900°C climate? Well Come down to earth from the sun. The sun is damaging to your head.

I could write the exact same thing, but I'll refrain and simply shoot myself out of earshot for forum mischief.

OPservator wrote:

And they didn't teach you to read at school?

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They taught to read what is written and not to guess what the author meant. Guessing the author's thoughts was when rewriting poems written often, as it turns out, under the influence.

900 degrees will reach perhaps temporarily what is on the plates.

One thing I have noticed is with prolonged use the door handle has gone slightly patina - normal thing, it has oxidised a bit. The smell disappears after three days, but I have yet to see anything noticeable in the air as a result. For the sake of this handle, however, I try never to exceed an hour.

Out of curiosity I'd love to see pictures too.

I also saw this strange "grey smoke" in the room after ozonation. I got the impression that it was doing something to my eyes, as the visual acuity only returned after a while in the non-ozone-gassed room.

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DiZMar wrote:

900°C? Unless it's in yours. Surely you like that kind of 900°C climate? Come down to earth from the sun. The sun is bad for your head.

Why do you think anyone with a differing opinion has something wrong with their head?

mipix wrote:

Why do you think anyone with a dissenting opinion has something wrong with their head?

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It was not the dissenting opinion that was the issue. Could it be that a sentence from which it was implied that it could be 900°C in a flat was not indicative of the head of the writer? This is a technical forum and one should express oneself unequivocally.

In the car, the air conditioning is switched on to dry the air during ozone treatment. In general, ozonisation is a nice thing, but also complicated, as you can see. A decent ozonator costs money and China has flooded the market with something that produces less ozone and burns the air and everything in it. Then there are the effects as the author describes.

This will surprise you, because I ordered my Chinese one after someone on the internet posted pictures of a Polish branded device for 600-700 PLN, which he took apart and found inside.... Chinese circuit boards, wrapped in a nice casing. The Chinese for basic needs can work - I got rid of the smoker's pipe smell from my car after just one use. But I never leave the device unattended.

DiZMar wrote:

Doesn't the sentence from which it follows that it can be 900st in a flat prove the head of the writer?

And perhaps the head of the reader after all? Anyone with a gas cooker has temperatures of over 1000 degrees in their flat - where it says this 900st must be throughout the flat. This ozone is also created in such an area and these conditions are very localised inside the ozonator. Colleague @OPservator has nowhere written that this temperature has to be in the dwelling (in the sense of its space) but is needed to produce nitric acid. There is nothing preventing it from being local.
Is it so difficult to admit to being wrong?

stachu_l wrote:

@OPservator nowhere wrote that this temperature has to be in the dwelling (in the sense of its space) but is needed to produce nitric acid. Nothing prevents it from being local.

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With ammonia, even at room temperature nitric acid can be formed, but not in such a concentration that the whole flat is polluted, because the author would have to lead a truly "clean" life for this to happen....

ciapol899 wrote:

Everything smells burnt and on top of that it smoulders from completely everything even from me, it is impossible to air it out (...) it has been going on for several months now (since February) even from the car started to smoulder, please help, I am already on the verge of a breakdown.... It is impossible to live like this...

It's not smouldering from ozonation, it's stray souls who want you to help them get to the other side. And if it smells burnt, that means some demon has shown up and you'll need to call a priest for an exorcism.

The last time a demon appeared on Earth was when the fashion for pumping up car wheels with 'pure nitrogen' came along. Now, I see, it's back.

And what is the formation of nitric acid everywhere in the encounter with moisture and smoke?
And the author has been living in this house since February and quietly breathes and draws it into his lungs?
And continues to breathe? Shouldn't it have eaten away his lungs several times by now?

Maybe this plate ozonator has burned out and everything is smeared with "glowing electronics" and the rest is just imagination.

OPservator wrote:

DiZMar wrote:

And where in the car do you have 900°C? According to you likely though inside the cylinder probably yes. But at home

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And didn't they teach you to read at school? A plate ozonator generates cold plasma, as I wrote about.

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DiZMar wrote:

900°C? Unless it's in yours. Surely you like that kind of 900°C climate? Well come down to earth from the sun. The sun is bad for your head.

I could write the exact same thing, but I will refrain and simply shoot myself out of earshot for mischief on the forum.

Well they just taught us to read, but you have some problems with writing and not us with reading!

Admit it, what you have written is completely incomprehensible, on top of not being written correctly:
"Ozotic acid needs 900*C and above 95% humidity to form - i.e. in cars highly likely - at home - well if the colleague didn't ventilate, or dried laundry in the meantime - very possible. " .

The fact that you wrote it like that is nothing, but that you so far think it is written correctly and do not want to correct it is already completely incomprehensible to me.

From your above sentence, it seems that there is a connection between the formation of nitric acid at 900 °C and the drying of laundry or even the airing of a flat!

Don't be afraid to correct your posts when someone points you out (rightly so) instead of going into denial. By correcting obvious spelling mistakes or logical sentence relationships you show that you are a level-headed interlocutor!

DiZMar wrote:

It is not the different sentence in question . Could it be that the sentence from which it was implied that it could be 900°C in the flat was not indicative of the head of the writer? This is a technical forum and one should be explicit

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"o" agree, should be expressed unambiguously. .

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Bible quotation (Matt. 7:3-5): And why do you see the speck in your brother's eye, but the beam in your own eye? Or how shall you say to your brother: Let me take the speck out of thy eye, and behold, the beam is in thine own eye? Hypocrite, take the beam out of thine own eye first, and then thou shalt see to take the speck out of thy brother's eye.

Back on topic, are there any methods to neutralise the smell of nitric acid?

Hello,
an interesting discussion is developing.
I see a mention of nitric acid, acid as an acid does not really have a smell, what we can smell are nitrogen oxides and these require high temperatures to form in the air, to form acid there must also be water, it is possible that nitrogen dioxide travels to a humid place and there reacts with water giving acid, but its concentration is rather small.
The smell of nitric acid requires a significant concentration of nitric acid to be truly perceptible and I don't think the author has achieved this with these lights/plates.
I suggest you consider that the author wrote about a burning smell and not the acidic and characteristic smell of nitrogen oxides.
Theoretically, the smell of acid can be removed by neutralising it, i.e. by an additional reaction with an alkali of some kind, but there is an additional chemistry involved, isn't it better to simply dry and ventilate the room?
Best regards