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[Solved] Wiring Two-Way Light Switches: Lexman Switches, Brown, Blue, and GreenYellow Wires

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  • #1 21236444
    DIYLearner
    Level 2  
    I have a two way light switch in the entrance hallway. One switch is near the front door. The other switch is near the door on the other end of the hallway.

    Both have the following wires:
    1. x1 Brown (Live)
    2. x1 Blue (Intermittent Live)
    3. x1 Green/Yellow (Ground)

    Firstly, does Brown go into common on both switches, and Blue goes into L1 on both switches?

    Secondly, what do I do with the Green/Yellow wire? The Lexman switches don't seem to have a place to put the Ground wire anywhere, nor can it be connected within the plastic hole. Any ideas?

    Three electrical wires emerging from the wall: brown, blue, and green/yellow, each with a red insulating cap.
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  • #2 21236916
    bubu1769
    Level 42  
    According to your description, you have a regular stair switch installation there.
    If you have only 3 wires in both switch boxes, then there must be another box somewhere where it is all connected.
    I'm afraid that without a visit from an electrician, who will be able to examine the installation and find out how it should be properly connected, there is no way.
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  • #3 21237847
    DIYLearner
    Level 2  
    Thank you. At this moment, I cannot see anywhere that it connects. The developer had plastered the internal walls, so I cannot see where the wires run. Nor does it seem obvious which box the wires could be connected. Is there anything I could expect to see when looking? I’m going to call an electrician, but just wondering.
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  • #4 21237864
    kokapetyl
    Level 43  
    bubu1769 wrote:
    According to your description, you have a simple stair switch installation there.
    .
    Furthermore, the installation is botched because the colour of the wires is inappropriate.
  • #5 21237873
    pawciu-85
    Level 36  
    kokapetyl wrote:
    because the colouring of the wires is inappropriate.


    The colour scheme can always be changed by applying heat shrink in the appropriate colour to the conductor ends. It is a question of the validity of such a manoeuvre and compliance with current standards and regulations.
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  • #6 21237895
    kokapetyl
    Level 43  
    pawciu-85 wrote:
    compliance with applicable standards and regulations.


    And that was the point.
  • #7 21237919
    pawciu-85
    Level 36  
    kokapetyl wrote:
    pawciu-85 wrote:
    compliance with applicable standards and regulations.
    .

    And that was the point.


    Well. When you enter a building where white wiring has been installed and YDYp 3x1.5 has been laid for the stair switch, it is difficult to explain to the builder that he should have 5x1.5 laid for this stair switch in the correct colour, especially as there is no PE terminal at the switchgear, as it is made in protection class II. So it is common practice that the conductor endings are marked with heat shrink in the colours brown, black and grey, and the N and PE conductors of the 3x1.5 cable are treated as phase conductors at the staircase switch.

    Obviously not in accordance with the standards, and the electrician carrying out these installations has fooled the investor.
  • #8 21237926
    Madrik
    moderator of Robotics
    It's not grounding.
    Heaps of people are about to start cursing your electrician out of existence for using it like this, but it's just another 'hot' wire. Treat it like a live, third colour.
    Unfortunately this is common practice on construction sites to make it cheaper and simpler to do the installation.

    Unscrew/remove the lamp(s) from the fixture.
    One wire has voltage - this is the power supply. To the common terminal of the first switch. You will identify it with a neon light.
    This will only be the case in one box.
    In the second, one wire has a transition to the luminaire (it should be on the footer, but it varies).
    To the common terminal of the other connector.
    The other two are located between the switches.
    Connect to the other terminals of one connector and twist at the ready, the other connector, connect in the same way but do not mount it to the wall.

    Screw in the bulbs, check that it works - turns on from one (and off), turns off (and on from the other).
    If it doesn't, swap those last two wires with the places in the other connector (don't move the common terminal).
    Generally, if the colours match (I don't know how it's actually wired without checking), but if they do, the order of these last two should be identical in both connectors.

    You need to identify the two wires - the power supply (with the installation unzipped and no bulbs in the holders, it's the only one that has voltage) and the outlet to the lamps (from the other connector). You cannot do without a wire continuity meter here.

    Of course, I hope that this is a simple installation and there is no 3rd or 4th switch in a different place, because this is a different game.
    Or the fitter hasn't mixed up something in the connection.
  • #9 21237931
    pawciu-85
    Level 36  
    Madrik wrote:
    A bunch of people are about to start cursing your electrician from honor and faith for such use,


    And she will be right to cuss him out. Because installations must be laid in accordance with the applicable standards.
  • #10 21237945
    Madrik
    moderator of Robotics
    pawciu-85 wrote:
    Madrik wrote:
    A bunch of people are about to start cursing your electrician from honor and faith for such use,
    .

    And she will be right to cuss him out. Because installations must be laid in accordance with the applicable standards.


    Nice words, but theory, theory, and practice, practice.
    There are no commonly available, three-core cables with different colours, specifically for switches. Possibly control cables, with numbered conductors. These, however, are considerably more expensive than the typical 'YDY'.
    98% of electricians and fitters on construction and renovation sites will simply take ordinary residential cable, use the green-yellow conductor for the working cable, and only the most conscientious will mark it with, for example, insulating tape or heat-shrink sleeve. Few people will also buy a 4- or 5-core cable if they only need 3 cores.
    This is the reality and, whatever you write, even the inspectors accepting the installation have already waved their hands at such cases.
    Qualified electricians know what is involved and how to behave in such cases anyway.
  • #11 21237956
    pawciu-85
    Level 36  
    Madrik wrote:
    There are no commonly available, three-wire cables with different colours specifically for switches.


    How do they not exist ? There are, YDYp 5x1.5 and they should be used. Nobody exempts you ( no standard ) from laying conductors without N and PE conductor in residential installations. Neither does it make it compulsory to use blue and yellow/green conductors for anything other than neutral and protective conductors.
    https://www.kontaktuj.pl/przewod-ydyp-5x1-5-z...MIp9Kco_bbiAMVshqiAx1kEDpDEAQYAiABEgL3tPD_BwE
  • #12 21238126
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    Madrik wrote:
    98% of electricians and fitters on construction and renovation sites will just take ordinary residential cable, use the green-yellow conductor for the working wire
    No Mate, 98% was in the early 2000s, when certain solutions had only recently existed, were only just being implemented, or were not yet known.
    Now, a quarter of a century later, the trend is quite the opposite (among electricians, not in the pato-development i.e. plasterers, painters who consider themselves electricians).
    What kind of solutions are these? Please:

    1. the PE conductor has been required at every point and section of the installation since the mid-1990s.
    Some people were baffled as to why PE was required for a lighting switch. How surprised they were when a few, maybe a dozen years later, class I switches appeared, nice, "designer", blending in with the interior design, and more expensive, i.e. chosen by a smaller group of investors.
    Now the investor wants such equipment, but there is no protective conductor in the installation. An informed electrician will refuse to install such a fitting, while an uninformed one, i.e. a papyrus, will install it, leaving the PE terminal "in the air".
    I do not have to write what this may result in the case of damage to such a switch.

    2. conductor N - here, similarly, it is not needed for a classic switch, but again, modernity has arrived - "intelligent" switches, "smart", controlled by Wi-Fi.
    Some work properly without N, others require this conductor. Those working without N often require minimum power from the receiver, which may not be possible with LED sources (the lighting will flicker, glow or not work at all).
    With N under the switch, we have a full range of fittings available.

    3 This point solves all the ills of the points above.
    This is an installation made using the no-box method, i.e. no top junction boxes, and all connections are made in deep boxes under the fittings.
    Not to mention that it is an installation that is assembly-friendly (a ladder is only needed for ceiling luminaires and high wall sconces), and above all it 'automatically' ensures that all the necessary conductors are present.

    So if anyone thinks that the whole house or flat will be covered only by a three-wire cable, they are sadly mistaken.
    Such wires are sufficient in socket circuits, but in lighting circuits, especially for stairwells and candlesticks, five wires are the necessary minimum (as a colleague wrote above).
    And painting with a marker, wrapping with tape, or shrinking with heat shrink is a sign of incompetence or even sloppiness.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around wiring two-way light switches using Lexman switches, specifically addressing the connection of brown (live), blue (intermittent live), and green/yellow (ground) wires. Users express concerns about the absence of a ground connection in the Lexman switches and the potential miswiring of the color-coded cables. Suggestions include consulting an electrician for proper installation, as the wiring setup appears to be non-compliant with current standards. The conversation highlights common practices in electrical installations, including the use of inappropriate wire colors and the necessity of a protective earth (PE) conductor in modern setups.
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