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Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor

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    I would like to invite you to a destructive demonstration of a powerful outdoor LED lamp with a PIR motion sensor. The equipment came to me completely inoperable, so I decided to check its construction for teaching purposes. I was mainly puzzled by what was broken, and how the LED control and the motion sensor were implemented.
    I don't know the model of this lamp, so the whole thing will be based on guesswork.
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    The housing is metal and solid, and you can also see that it has 'fins' on the back for heat dissipation. 50 W in LEDs is a lot of power though, and after all, not all of it turns into light. I wonder what efficiency the LEDs are in there.
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    I guess the previous owner decided that earthing was unnecessary and wired the whole thing with a two-wire wire.
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    Here you can see a PIR sensor, I associate such from various other hardware, there are also such ready-made modules for Arduino. You can also see the LEDs punctured, this is probably how this hardware ended its life.
    Unfortunately I have not found a way to get inside in a non-destructive way .
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    Hammer and drive. Good thing the whole thing is made of special glass that doesn't shoot shards left and right.
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    This way we almost have the interior. You can see that there are two separate modules inside. Probably copies without the PIR sensor are also produced. This module with PIR probably works.
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    Out of curiosity I tested the LEDs - some are faulty and a break in the circuit. Interestingly, some with black dots still work:
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    However, let's start at the beginning. There is a phase wire and a neutral wire to the board, with the phase wire connected through the motion sensor. Then we have two fuses, an anti-interference capacitor and a rectifier bridge. Circuit U1 (L1050) appears to be a constant-current LED controller and is powered directly from the mains.
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    Next we have the transistors, primarily I see the SW2N60 there:
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    These are MOSFETs with an N-type channel for high voltage, I was surprised by their resistance in the open state:
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    I managed to find a whole schematic showing a similar circuit:
    Interior, failure rate and construction of a 50W outdoor LED floodlight with motion sensor
    I was quite surprised by the way the LEDs are connected, anyone know what purpose this is used for? The rest is pretty clear, the CS pin is used to measure current (via the voltage drop across the shunt resistor), the 1MΩ resistors to power the controller circuit.
    Specification of L1050 LED driver IC showing features and pin diagram in Chinese.

    What's left is the PIR module. A cool little gadget. There's even a fuse and a varistor.
    Electronic PIR motion sensor board held in a hand Electronic module with PIR sensor held in hand, visible capacitors and resistors Bottom side of a PCB with visible traces and solder points, held above a wood surface

    The lamp is potentially repairable but it is now without glass and in addition soldering in new LEDs is difficult, the whole thing effectively dissipates heat. A heater would be useful.

    In summary , this was more of a one-off. There was a separate PIR module and a separate LED board with a constant current controller supporting several strings. Looking at the damage to the LEDs I get the impression that the strings were failing sequentially, although given the attached diagram I have my doubts as to why this is (if it is) wired this way, perhaps someone else can explain.
    Do you use these types of LED lights, how do you find their failure rate and longevity?

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  • #2 21800425
    fachman1964
    Level 5  
    I don't know if they are all glued with the same black glue, but I've dealt with some that, when the metal part was heated at the contact with the glass, the glue mass became flexible. I lifted the glass without any problem. Strangely enough, I noticed that this glue is resistant to acetone and alcohol. So chemical dissolving does nothing.
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  • #3 21800468
    androot
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    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    I was quite surprised by the way the LEDs are connected, anyone know what purpose this is used for? The rest is pretty clear, the CS pin is used to measure current (via voltage drop across the shunt resistor), the 1 MΩ resistors to power the controller circuit.


    The LEDs are supplied with full, rectified, pulsating mains voltage. To minimise flicker, when the voltage is lower than the conduction voltage, a piece of the section is cut off. Will work well with a large number of LEDs in series (230 V supply).

    I would try to cut the glass with dental floss.
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  • #4 21800788
    fachman1964
    Level 5  
    androot wrote:
    I would try to cut the glass with dental floss.

    What results, the black "ooze" could be cut out?
  • #5 21800910
    szeryf3
    Level 30  
    Even if you were to replace with new LEDs, it is a matter of a short time when the new LEDs will dislodge the old ones.
    This is why these and similar lamps are disposable.
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  • #6 21800945
    Dydelmax
    Level 39  
    I have repaired several similar headlights for myself that were written off, except that they do not have a motion sensor. You can get the glass out in its entirety with a bit of self-denial using GSM device service tools (thin undermining/separating plates, molybdenum wire, chemical action or heating). Disassembly looks similar to peeling off the display in a tablet, except that the glue in the lamps holds more firmly (there is much more of it). In my case, the most effective solution was a tin with the B&R logo engraved on it, which can be found under the phrase "phone opener". If you don't care about aesthetics then it's a good idea to make a "notch" in one of the corners as a starting place for further action between the glass and the body.
  • #7 21801479
    sampler
    Level 18  
    I have repaired quite a few such lamps. Usually the cause is low quality diodes, so the repair is also for a while.
    Firstly, the method of opening. There is a simple method. Drill a small hole fi 2-3 mm at the back in the housing in the corner of the glass and screw in a metal screw. The screw will push the glass out beautifully. These glues are mostly chemically cured so heating and undermining is a waste of time.
    As the author noted there is also the problem of soldering out the old diodes. The board is glued to the case and dissipates heat well. I cut out the old diodes with pliers and solder in the new ones. The most important thing is to measure the voltage on the diode branches. There are different voltages on the diodes. From 3 volts to 18 volts.
  • #8 21801500
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    And has anyone tried reducing the controller's current setting so that the LEDs glow a little dimmer but live longer?
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  • #9 21801569
    klamocik
    Level 36  
    Isn't it sometimes the case that the lamp starts to glow from around 100 volts?
  • #10 21801852
    Kajox
    Level 18  
    For me, the worst floodlights because of the blinking during operation. Not everyone notices this. You can see it perfectly when trying to record a video or take a photo with your phone. Typical importer action. You order the cheapest sort, sell it and after two years, before you get flooded with complaints, close the company and open a new one with a different name. ;D
  • #11 21802029
    leo5114
    Level 2  
    These illuminators are useless, total rubbish.
  • #12 21802500
    szeryf3
    Level 30  
    Kajox wrote:
    For me, the worst floodlights because of the blinking during operation. ;D

    That's why I use what I call "mixed light" when using this type of lamp at the workbench.
  • #13 21804853
    fachman1964
    Level 5  
    I only buy these for myself.
    1. Bolted on, no glue, only gaskets.
    2. LED COB 36 V also bolted to the heat sink with thermally conductive paste, zero glue. Repair is a pleasure. Although none have damaged me so far.
    3.No "flickering" when lit. The COB is powered by a 36 V DC power supply, electrolytic capacitor at the output of the power supply.

    COB LED floodlight 50W with black housing, technical label at bottom
  • #14 21805418
    żarówka rtęciowa
    Level 38  
    Welcome.

    fachman1964 wrote:
    Self only buys these.
    1. Bolted on, zero glue, only gaskets.
    2. LED COB 36 V also bolted to heatsink with thermally conductive paste, zero glue. Repair is a pleasure. Although none have damaged me so far.
    3. No "flickering" when lit. The COB is powered by a 36 V DC electrolytic capacitor at the output of the power supply.


    I have such a spotlight acquired from a junkyard mounted in a work lamp on a tripod. I replaced the LED with a higher wattage one and used an external Osram power supply.
  • #15 21811819
    partyzancik
    Level 25  
    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    And has anyone tried reducing the driver current setting so that the diodes glow a little dimmer, but live longer?

    And why complicate things? Isn't it better to improve the heat dissipation with the existing power? You need to unscrew the diode board and level the surface to which the board is screwed and give better thermal conductive paste, especially under the diodes.

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    p.kaczmarek2 wrote:
    The lamp is potentially repairable, but it is now without glass, plus soldering new LEDs is difficult, the whole thing effectively dissipates heat. A heater would be useful.

    Once the LED board has been unsoldered, it will be easier to solder the LEDs as there will be less heating.
  • #16 21812156
    partyzancik
    Level 25  
    fachman1964 wrote:
    I only buy these.
    1. Bolted on, zero glue, only gaskets.
    2. LED COB 36 V also bolted to heatsink with thermally conductive paste, zero glue. Repair is a pleasure. Although none have damaged me so far.
    3. No "flickering" when lit. The COB is powered by a 36 V DC power supply, electrolytic capacitor at the output of the power supply.

    COB LED floodlight 50W with black housing, technical label at bottom


    I occasionally buy scrap for the parts themselves and let me just say that the new COBs are a failure. The old ones had copper PCBs and the new ones have aluminium PCBs. The housings are also so-so and not suitable for increasing power. The housing inside is thin and uneven and the heat does not spread to the sides. Bolding only in the place of the COB screws. Personally, I prefer such floodlights, where instead of one there is room for several. Then you can give 2x50 or 3x30, but it would be fitting to give some copper sheet underneath for the whole thing. I have a couple of these LED housings, then under the LED plate there is room for 3 COBs square. Underneath the space for the COBs the housing is thickened.
    https://image.ceneostatic.pl/data/products/49404034/i-polux-lpp100cwgb-306722.jpg
  • #17 21849844
    LEDówki
    Level 43  
    And what do you illuminate with it?
    If I have a torch, is it an illuminator or a hand-held illuminator? Is it worth repeating stupid names invented by stupid people for stupid people?
    A disposable lamp and therefore cheap. Poles like cheap things of poor quality. Sometimes a salesman realises which product is crap and doesn't sell it. The g. enthusiast will find the junk at someone else's place anyway. He or she will quickly throw it away.
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