logo elektroda
logo elektroda
X
logo elektroda

Home Electrical System Fuse Connections: Pictorial Diagram Review and Guidance

mavi 131956 19
ADVERTISEMENT
Treść została przetłumaczona polish » english Zobacz oryginalną wersję tematu
  • #1 4429191
    mavi
    Level 19  
    Hello

    I was looking for a pictorial diagram of fuse connections in the home electrical system.
    I took some time and drew a diagram, which if it is good, I hope it will be useful to others who will have questions on this topic.

    I want someone to say whether the diagram is correct and whether the wires go in and out where they should be and whether with this setting everything will work when it should. The question concerns mainly the wires that go from the differential to the next fuses. Should they enter from the bottom as I drew or from the top.

    waiting for suggestions.
  • ADVERTISEMENT
  • #2 4429780
    Pablo1421
    Level 12  
    Well, there is an entrance from the top, there is an exit from the bottom, I was taught at school that the phase in the socket is on the right and the neutral is on the left :) (condition if the protection pin is on top, and besides, the pin must always be on top)
  • #4 4429921
    Madrik
    moderator of Robotics
    Correctly, we supply power to the fuse's stationary contact. In the case of sockets for fuse links, it is the socket foot. The thread is a departure. In the case of "eSek", the stationary contact is at the top. But nothing will happen if the feed is applied from below.
    Nevertheless, it is common to supply power to the top contacts of the cameras and usually manufacturers make their products so that the fixed contacts are at the top.
  • ADVERTISEMENT
  • #5 4429954
    Arturo2005
    Level 33  
    Well, I don't really agree with that. Legrand's "esses" are powered from the bottom. It is impossible to define them in advance.
  • #6 4430030
    lukas1850
    Level 15  
    There have already been some discussions on these topics: top or bottom power, left or right phase in the socket? And the only thing that seems to be a logical solution is to make the installation transparently and without unnecessary tangling of cables, just to power the eSa from the other side. Especially that Arturo2005 is right - I recently did a Legrand switching station at home and the "comb" can only be connected from the bottom.
    As for the sockets: it is important that they are connected in the same way throughout the building - I give the left phase at home.
  • ADVERTISEMENT
  • #7 4430513
    Pablo1421
    Level 12  
    What if you have a PEN wire on a TN-C network? With the wrong connection, you have voltage on the casing of a washing machine, for example.
  • #8 4430609
    DC2003
    Level 12  
    According to information from SEP and what school has taught me, the socket phase on the left. Everything is ok with the cameras in the picture. The differential switch should be powered from the top, it is about the direction of energy flow. The matter of permanent contacts is a habit from ancient times. At the moment it makes no difference which contact we connect to the phase. The fuse holders are a different matter, the bevel must always go to the flange and the exits to the thread. The same goes for the bulb holders.
    The most important thing in the installation is to make it legible and comfortable. It makes no sense to stick to some rules and make a boiler in the pipes instead.
  • #9 4430736
    mavi
    Level 19  
    Well, when there are so many answers and someone mentioned something about legrand "es", in my case I have 4 differentials and two legs will be attached to each of them. Exactly as in the diagram. As for the eski, I have all the legrand companies. I have 3 fael differentials and one also legrand.

    Therefore, can I use a rail everywhere and connect the S-connectors to the differential from the bottom?
    that is exactly as in the 1 diagram I posted?

    Does the fact that I have a Fael differential in three cases does not complicate anything?

    I am asking for specific answers, how should I connect my differentials to the "es"
  • ADVERTISEMENT
  • #10 4431306
    Arturo2005
    Level 33  
    Fael or Legrand - "one dog" :) Connect everything with the rail from the bottom, the power supply differential (s) at the top and the drains at the top. Exactly as in the first picture.
  • #11 4431341
    jarecki 86
    Electrician specialist
    First there was Fael, then Fael Legrand and today there is only Legrand.

    As for connecting the wires in the socket, I know the rule that L = line = left side
  • #13 4432274
    lukas1850
    Level 15  
    DC2003 wrote:
    The differential switch should be powered from the top, it is about the direction of energy flow.

    I will not agree with that either. As far as I know, it does not matter whether we connect the RCD from the top or the bottom. It is only important to distinguish between N and L. One of the devices that require proper connection (and it is marked on them accordingly!) Are time-delayed overcurrent circuit breakers, used more and more often as the main pre-meter protections.
  • #14 4434825
    gogo4
    Level 15  
    Quote:
    There have already been some discussions on these topics: top or bottom power, left or right phase in the socket? And the only thing that seems to be a logical solution is to make the installation transparently and without unnecessary tangling of cables just to necessarily power the eSa on the other side


    Unfortunately, I do not agree with that! it's not about a complication, it's about transparency. If the reasoning was presented above, you could, for example, lead the wires in the wall diagonally, in arcs, circles and God knows how to lead in a straight line, twist at right angles, as you can save on the cable and hit it diagonally across the entire wall (And if someone in the future damages the cable, drill a hole in the wall because the idiot thought that the contractor complies with the generally established rules, it is his problem. and if someone in the future f *** the current because the voltage on the lamp holder was despite the switch turned off, it's his problem).

    These are generally established rules (not obligatory but recommended), such as: laying the wires in a straight line in specific zones with right-angle bends (see the literature for details), connecting the phase to the socket on the right, always connecting the phase on the circuit breaker, etc., which are to facilitate the work of people who will be involved in this installation or maintenance in the future, and who have not installed it. These details show whether the installation was performed by a real professional or a bungler.

    Greetings
  • #15 4435217
    ekaand
    Level 22  
    Quote:
    connecting the phase to the socket on the right

    On the left, on the left.
  • #16 4435537
    lukas1850
    Level 15  
    gogo4 wrote:

    Quote:
    There have already been some discussions on these topics: top or bottom power, left or right phase in the socket? And the only thing that seems to be a logical solution is to make the installation transparently and without unnecessary tangling of cables just to necessarily power the eSa on the other side

    These are generally established rules (not obligatory but recommended), such as: laying the wires in a straight line in specific zones with right-angle bends (see the literature for details), connecting the phase to the socket on the right, always connecting the phase on the circuit breaker, etc., which are to facilitate the work of people who will be involved in this installation or maintenance in the future, and who have not installed it. These details show whether the installation was performed by a real professional or a bungler.

    Greetings

    And you see - you already have your rules set in the post below - I also propose to all electricians reading this to comment on how to connect the phase in the socket, or the power supply on eSach or RCD. I bet that with a sufficiently large number of professionals, a pretty mess will come out.

    Besides, do not overinterpret my words - I wrote that the eS topping can be from any side, because this is how it is done - there is no one, even the usual standard. I would never recommend running cables diagonally along the walls, or connecting N to a switch, because firstly no one who knows the subject does this, it is even a malpractice, and secondly, such a procedure may pose a threat to the user and the facility maintenance technician .
    I think my position is clearer now.
  • #18 4435892
    Arturo2005
    Level 33  
    I propose to prohibit the installation of double sockets :)
  • #19 4436746
    lukas1850
    Level 15  
    I don't like comparing Poland to other countries, but we have the most unfortunate system of sockets and plugs. In the USA they have double sockets, but due to their polarity, L is always on the right, N on the left (and has a larger hole), and PE in the middle, slightly below. Even in the case of mounting such a socket "upside down" with correct connection of the wires, the polarity will be maintained.
    I will also mention the quite important fact that you cannot connect a device of protection class 1 to a socket without a protective contact, which in my opinion is much more important than the polarity of the contacts. In addition, only sockets with a built-in RCD may be used outdoors.

     Home Electrical System Fuse Connections: Pictorial Diagram Review and Guidance
  • #20 4520001
    ppawel21
    Level 2  
    Arturo2005 is right Legrand gives the power supply from the bottom in the instructions for his eSs.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the correct wiring of fuse connections in home electrical systems, particularly focusing on the orientation of wires from differential switches to fuses. Users debate whether the power supply should enter from the top or bottom of the fuse connections, with various opinions citing different brands and models. The consensus suggests that while there are established practices, such as connecting the phase on the left and the neutral on the right, flexibility exists depending on the specific equipment used, like Legrand and Fael products. The importance of maintaining consistent wiring practices throughout a building is emphasized to ensure safety and clarity in installations.
Summary generated by the language model.
ADVERTISEMENT