Royal Professional Saeco SUPO16E Not Powering On - No Screen Reaction

Royal Profesjonal Saeco coffee grinder




I have it for a year and since yesterday I can not turn on the switch from the power machine. There is no reaction on the screen. The maintenance darts are closed and I do not want to disassemble this machine without knowing how to ask for help how to fix it or how to dismantle the machine in turn .Greetings

type: SUPO16E Royal Prof.
1600W

Since there is no reaction after turning on the main switch, you definitely have a fuse on the power supply .... check it, access to it is certainly easy, I have not repaired this model, but the design is similar.

Dismounting is relatively straightforward, this coffee machine does not have any "complicated" hooks, such as the Odea or Talea line.



On the left side, under the heated tray is a steam heater (in the shape of a horseshoe) and on it a thermic on 170C. I do not remember if it is an automaton or a single use.

I found three fuses to control the machine (coffee selection) next to the monitor.

All functional.
In contrast, the cable with voltage enters this plate and I do not know how to check it out. I went through February but nothing helped.


I reassembled the whole and I have no effect.
Thanks for the answers

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Since there is no reaction after switching on the main switch, you definitely have a fuse on the power supply.

There is not only this plate - the voltage from the outlet is connected to it.

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On the left, under the heated tray is a steam heater (in the shape of a horseshoe) and on it there is a thermic on 170C. I do not remember if it is an automaton or a single use.

I will come and see this termik.

I did not find this thermo.
I gave up.
Service direction.
Thanks for the help.
Greetings

You give up too quickly For the future, element number 59.

Maybe you're right.
Now in the dark you can locate it after your drawing.
But I could not locate this thermal thermostat, and I want to drink coffee ...
Thanks for your help.

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He came back from the service and the bowel - not repaired. It was suggested to replace the entire electronic module (the cost of the module itself is about PLN 1000!). I've opened this module and I see a part of it:



What part of it and can you fix it?
Greetings

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This is the T410 triac, available for purchase in any parts store. You will also need a soldering iron, tin and the right luck factor

The truth is, it looks like just a puncture between the leads of the triac, there are such cases when condensation or "ignition" of dust / dust in the devices. The resulting electric arc has such a high temperature that it burns out the hole in the laminate. Clean the burnt place from the charred laminate and check the resistance between the leads of the triac. On Monday I will try to check what block this triac controls. If you can send pictures of the whole module in large format on PW, it will make searching much easier

I have measured this triac about 50 ohms.
The voltage reaches this module but on the screen - it has nothing - closed.
Heaters ok.Termiki on heaters ok.
Tomorrow I will take exact photos and send you a message.
Greetings
 Photo of the triac connection made:


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Ps.Knowiło helped and probably a transformer fell.

Where will I get this type:


Where can you get spare parts for this type of machine?


Greetings

You can insert eg TSZZ4 / 9V or TSZZ6 / 9V (available in almost any electronic form).

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You can insert eg TSZZ4 / 9V or TSZZ6 / 9V (available in almost any electronic form).

I will ask for at least one store where this transformer will be delivered.
I flew gooogle up to the 10th page and found 1 store in which there was an entry for such a transformer (they did not really have) - http://tme.pl/ " target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener ugc" class="postlink inline" title="" > http://tme.pl/ and no one knows when it will be.

Please help me find this transformer TSZZ4 / 9V or TSZZ6 / 9V

greetings

Suitable alternatives:
TME: TEZ6 / D / 9V (14 pieces)
Electronic Center TSZZ 6 / 005M

Check only dimensions because the above transformers have a bit more power (eg Indel's catalog):
http://www.indel.pl/

Thanks for the info.
They are bigger by 1 mm but it fits.

It's just the bottom of this transformer:

   and it was:


Cut the unnecessary feet of this transformer so that they fit the plate?


Greetings

Zenon407 wrote:

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Cut the unnecessary feet of this transformer so that they fit the plate?
Pozdro

The most important thing is that the windings are on the same pins, the rest is simply not connected.

The screen fired - I even put in a little coffee - but it seems to me that the pump sits down. It was better than usual and I can not vent the system.
There is a Ventilate sign and it should be vented with a nozzle from the steam - but the pump is standing - it does not give steam.


I checked the pump for "short" - and there is also a hot water button.


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When hot water flies and should be vented ....... and I do not want to. In the manual it is written to vent with a round valve to the steam (photo 1) but to create it you need to go further in functions - you must work to make it-think .....
I turn on the machine and the password is right- Ventilate

Ps.Schematic to type RE 120V but you can orientate - 8 pages
http://www.partsguru.com/user/Royal%20Prof%20120V%20Old%20&%20New%20Boiler%20SUP016RE.pdf " target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener ugc" class="postlink inline" title="" > http://www.partsguru.com/user/Royal%20Prof%20120V%20Old%20&%20New%20Boiler%20SUP016RE.pdf < br />

If a blowing nozzle works, it is possible that the flow sensor (99) has hung up.

Is this the sensor?

Yes, sometimes the turbine in the middle can "hang" or the magnetic field sensor has moved inside.

I blew into the tube and the turbine rotated.
There is a millimeter hole from a plastic latch, and there you can see a magnet. You do not know what voltage is going in there to check if it is turning under voltage? And in front of me it is loosely packed and has two such posts. Where is its place? And is this sensor demountable?

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If the blowing nozzle works, it is possible that the flow sensor (99) has hung up.

This nozzle does not work. You probably have to touch the button 7
Only hot water button 5 works.


Bugs but for a newer machine and 120V



SERVICE CODE:

Version 3.68

1st line 67
2nd line 128

after some tests, the first line is 5 67

Check the individual functions of the coffee machine, especially the coffee system pump, ie you set the brewing unit to the work position (Key 1 - to the end) and start the pump (6 + 4). If the water flows out with the distributor, it means that everything is clear and the problem is only that the espresso machine "can not see" the water in the system. Maybe during the "searches" you have disassembled the sensors connection? In these coffee machines it's really easy to make a mistake and not always connectors and sockets are marked.
The symbols and numbers on the display mean, for example, the temperature (not necessarily in the Celsius degrees), the control codes, the extreme positions of the brewer, etc.

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especially the coffee system pump, ie you set the brewing unit to operation (Key 1 - to the end) and start the pump (6 + 4).

Water is running for coffee or ok.
And there is no such thing as erasing mistakes?
I check connections for the ents ..... Thanks
I have such a feeling that the heater did not work (on the side wall with two sensors) but I checked and it should ok.Albo not give a signal to plug in. I have tested the sensors in one is the current transition (wider) in the other there is but there is a lot of resistance - is the second one on a different layout and reacts similarly - in my opinion they are good.
And how to check the tightness of these white paste tubes? Maybe someone bent and lets out?
I'll give up.
Greetings

Ps.As I dismantled the machine for the first time, I made some photos.
The only problem I remember was the plug removed
with a question mark - but maybe I took it myself while removing the water pipe. I wonder because every plug was marked with a red marker by a German who once repaired ... only this plug from the flow sensor is not numbered by Him. I wrote a question mark (black marker) on this plug during the first demolition. Does this number match with a red marker - plug? it was omitted in its numbering. Tap.

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There is a millimeter hole from the plastic latch and you can see a magnet there. Do not you know what the tension is going to do to check if it is under voltage? And in front of me it is loosely packed and has two such posts. Where is its place? And is this sensor demountable?

What you see through the hole is a Hall sensor, the whole flowmeter is the most detachable. You unclip the snakes and unroll the contraption, you can see the hooks on the bottom, just turn a centimeter and the sensor will spread out. In the middle is a turbine with magnets and a gasket.
Just remember that the water hoses are connected correctly, there are arrows pointing to the water flow direction on the sensor.

I have just a similar machine in the workshop so I will check the connection carefully.

These white tubes are made of Teflon and there is a small chance that without any outside help one of them will start to leak, for example.

Ok.
Tomorrow, I break it, the arrow sensor on it I noticed.
I'm curious how to connect you with this refurbished coffee machine.
Greetings




 After placing the sensor again - during the operation of the hot water button appeared the inscription - it was not there before.



And besides, the detail has not changed.
I wonder if sometimes on the site - someone did not rummage? But did not display his screen ......

The connection looks similar, the sensor should be plugged into J8. Regarding the message ... "Set quantity" - interesting . If the turbine is not blocked and provides impulses to the processor, when you connect the ammeter you will see that the boiler is on (~ 5A). If there is no heating and when the water is released, the appliance itself (after some time ~ 20 seconds) will turn off it means that there is still no connection to the flow meter.

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when you connect the ammeter you will see that the boiler is on (~ 5A). If there is no heating and when the water is released, the appliance itself (after some time ~ 20 seconds) will turn it off, it means that there is still no connection to the flow meter.

Sorry but I have to wait with this checking.
Kitchen busy for known reasons. Specify where to connect the ammeter? Under J8, how is the flowmeter connected? Pozdro i WESOŁYCH ŚWIAT!

Zenon407 wrote:

Specify where to connect the ammeter? Under J8, how is the flowmeter connected? Cheers and WEDDING WORLD!

The ampere meter is best connected to the power cord. Flowmeter under J8.

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I do not always remember how many mugs of coffee I programmed (quantity). It pours well once and once poured a cup. On the website they told me that it was either an electronics or a flow meter

If the settings in the program have not changed, the fault lies on the side of the flow meter.

IT WORKS!!!!!


This plug with a question mark goes to the socket with the symbol JP8 and the socket is behind the plug no.12 with a red marker !!! And not as in the photo.






Almost this plug can not be seen - you can see the yellow and green wire (brown can not be seen) - three wires.


Can not be too beautiful. He made one coffee and the end.

Probably a matter of setting.

When I choose coffee, the mill grinds the coffee (they have a lot of it) - two times - it should "wet the coffee" but it sounds like it tried to do it but after a while goes to the function - pick up coffee - not brewing it.
Like the pressing functions of ground coffee, water flies but as if it did not make coffee, i.e. brew it once, and later clean water flies despite pouring ground coffee.
In service 1 to the end and later 4 and 6 - everything flies nicely.
How does the test before coffee - a bit like the "clutch" had a harder time doing it, it seems to me.
Maybe I changed something when I turned this machine?
Or maybe this resistance burned the transformer I replaced?
Greetings