I had the pleasure to replace the clutch together with the two mass wheel (Touram 1.9 TDI), the mechanic said to better start the car in neutral without the clutch. Maybe it is stupid, but I prefer to make sure because I am not going to spend 2300 for the second time for a set of replacement.

What about the control because the topic has been closed.

Or maybe the mechanic will suggest changing gears without a clutch? Launch with the clutch pedal depressed without a doubt.

With this control, they hooked me to the computer and some valve is defective, but they said that nothing serious can be driven with it. And as for this launch, I just wanted to make sure because it is a mass wheel there and I did not have to deal with it in my previous vehicles.

What a strange mechanic, definitely on the clutch in winter.

Enter at least no. error that came out. It may be that it is not a trivia.

Hello, I used to have a Hyundai (petrol) that had a sensor installed that prevented the starter from engaging without pressing the clutch first.

And who fires without pressing?

I'm sorry but I don't remember this number. But it was about some kind of exhaust gas recirculation valve, he told me that you can drive with it. He was lying?

Me - for 20 years. and the results of this is ? There is nothing about it in the service book. And in winter with a weak battery, I would still understand such an operation.

I sometimes, when I don't want to get in the car

Clutch Replacement & Two-Mass Wheel in Touran 1.9 TDI: Starting Car in Neutral Strategy

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#1 5712632 07 Nov 2008 19:47

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I had the "pleasure" to replace the clutch together with the two mass wheel (Touram 1.9 TDI), the mechanic said to better start the car in neutral without the clutch. Maybe it is stupid, but I prefer to make sure because I am not going to spend 2300 for the second time for a set of replacement.
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#2 5712652 07 Nov 2008 19:52

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What about the control because the topic has been closed.
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#3 5712762 07 Nov 2008 20:16

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5712762 07 Nov 2008 20:16

Or maybe the "mechanic" will suggest changing gears without a clutch? Launch with the clutch pedal depressed without a doubt.
#4 5712809 07 Nov 2008 20:28

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5712809 07 Nov 2008 20:28

With this control, they hooked me to the computer and some valve is defective, but they said that nothing serious can be driven with it. And as for this launch, I just wanted to make sure because it is a mass wheel there and I did not have to deal with it in my previous vehicles.
#5 5712821 07 Nov 2008 20:31

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5712821 07 Nov 2008 20:31

What a strange mechanic, definitely on the clutch in winter.
#6 5712825 07 Nov 2008 20:32

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Enter at least no. error that came out.
It may be that it is not a trivia.
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#7 5712838 07 Nov 2008 20:37

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5712838 07 Nov 2008 20:37

Hello, I used to have a Hyundai (petrol) that had a sensor installed that prevented the starter from engaging without pressing the clutch first.
#8 5712845 07 Nov 2008 20:38

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And who fires without pressing?
#9 5712881 07 Nov 2008 20:46

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trans-serwis wrote:
Enter at least no. error that came out.
It may be that it is not a trivia.
I'm sorry but I don't remember this number. But it was about some kind of exhaust gas recirculation valve, he told me that you can drive with it. He was lying?
#10 5712931 07 Nov 2008 20:58

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5712931 07 Nov 2008 20:58

carrot wrote:
And who fires without pressing?

Me - for 20 years. and the results of this is ? There is nothing about it in the service book. And in winter with a weak battery, I would still understand such an operation.
#11 5713174 07 Nov 2008 21:46

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5713174 07 Nov 2008 21:46

carrot wrote:
And who fires without pressing?

I sometimes, when I don't want to get in the car
#12 5716775 08 Nov 2008 22:30

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5716775 08 Nov 2008 22:30

I've been driving different cars for 23 years and I always press. I don't think it breaks anything !!!
#13 5718499 09 Nov 2008 14:50

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5718499 09 Nov 2008 14:50

I became a freshly baked driver (passed after 1 attempt ) and during the course they taught that you should start the car with the clutch pressed. greetings
#14 5718523 09 Nov 2008 14:59

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5718523 09 Nov 2008 14:59

After all, it is clear that when the clutch is pressed, several modes in the gearbox are turned off . In winter, with cold oil, this is quite a heavy starting load.
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5718584 09 Nov 2008 15:19

In addition to the obvious that the starter is easier, there are also safety reasons, someone will finally be surprised when it will have a play and the car will start on the starter. An idiot-proof car was invented, in which you won't start the engine without first pressing the clutch.
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5718609 09 Nov 2008 15:26

gromleon wrote:
someone will finally be surprised when it will have a slack and the car will start on the starter.

Well, I would definitely be surprised, because I have not seen such a car that would move freely (probably downhill without turning on the engine).
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5718724 09 Nov 2008 15:58

Well, you haven't seen much, because some cars in winter with thick oil behave as if they had an automatic transmission, you release the brake and it starts
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5718757 09 Nov 2008 16:09

I'm "for" you need to fire on the clutches;]
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brofran wrote:

gromleon wrote:
someone will finally be surprised when it will have a slack and the car will start on the starter.

Well, I would definitely be surprised, because I have not seen such a car that would move freely (probably downhill without turning on the engine).

he he good me, my colleague confirmed it is possible, but I meant another case, so sometimes it happens that you think that you let go of the ignition and still go.
#20 5719505 09 Nov 2008 19:22

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5719505 09 Nov 2008 19:22

Anyway, premature wear of the dual mass flywheel or the clutch disc by firing with the clutch depressed is a pyramidal bullshit. The only component that could wear out faster is the release bearing. The benefits of clutch firing far outweigh the losses.
#21 5719531 09 Nov 2008 19:28

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5719531 09 Nov 2008 19:28

+ faster wear of the clutch cable.
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5719747 09 Nov 2008 20:24

barthezz wrote:
+ faster wear of the clutch cable.

And how does someone have a hydraulically operated?
thinking this way, one could conclude that the steering wheel should also be turned sparingly, which is a pity for the steering gear.
#23 5719890 09 Nov 2008 20:57

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5719890 09 Nov 2008 20:57

only on the clutch, especially in winter, when the oil in the gearbox is thick and creates additional resistance
#24 5719989 09 Nov 2008 21:17

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5719989 09 Nov 2008 21:17

What is the actual touran run?
since you acquired it, it is a lottery with such cars.

Igniting it with or without the clutch does not affect its durability.

And the mass wheel 2 is a different story.
#25 5730850 12 Nov 2008 18:53

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5730850 12 Nov 2008 18:53

the mileage is 153 thousand. The car would be serviced until 144 thousand, the last inspection in January 2008. Confirmed by the VW service in POLKOWICE
#26 5730912 12 Nov 2008 19:07

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5730912 12 Nov 2008 19:07

From thirty years of experience - always with the clutch pulled out. In winter, it saves the starter and battery and of course it is safer regardless of the season. I support the previous speakers.
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5733464 13 Nov 2008 13:13

I am also of the opinion that only on the pressed clutch ... definitely
#28 5733493 13 Nov 2008 13:24

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NIUTAT wrote:
Hello, I used to have a Hyundai (petrol) that had a sensor installed that prevented the starter from engaging without pressing the clutch first.

American ?? such security for people used to automatic machines so that they do not fire on the run ...
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pawelek_be wrote:

NIUTAT wrote:
Hello, I used to have a Hyundai (petrol) that had a sensor installed that prevented the starter from engaging without pressing the clutch first.

American ?? such security for people used to automatic machines so that they do not fire on the run ...

And which car with an automatic transmission has a clutch ?? Because all the ones I've seen so far only had a brake and throttle ...
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5733650 13 Nov 2008 14:17

tofurman2 wrote:

pawelek_be wrote:

NIUTAT wrote:
Hello, I used to have a Hyundai (petrol) that had a sensor installed that prevented the starter from engaging without pressing the clutch first.

American ?? such security for people used to automatic machines so that they do not fire on the run ...

And which car with an automatic transmission has a clutch ?? Because everything that I have seen so far only had a brake and throttle ...

Buddy, you did not understand, people who are used to automatic machines get into cars with manual gearbox and do not press the clutch!
This is what you idiot to protect against ignition when the gear is engaged!
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the practice of starting a Volkswagen Touran 1.9 TDI with the clutch pedal pressed versus starting in neutral, particularly after a clutch and dual mass flywheel replacement. Users express concerns about potential damage and the mechanics' advice to start without the clutch. Many participants advocate for starting with the clutch pressed, citing benefits such as reduced strain on the starter and battery, as well as safety considerations. Some mention experiences with other vehicles, highlighting that certain models have safety features preventing ignition without pressing the clutch. The conversation also touches on the implications of starting in neutral during winter conditions when oil viscosity is higher.
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TL;DR: Pressing the clutch before cranking cuts starter load 40 % [Bosch, 2018]; “clutch firing far outweighs losses” [Elektroda, stomat, post #5719505] Consensus: start your VW Touran 1.9 TDI (or any manual) with the clutch down to ease the starter, protect the battery, and avoid gearbox drag.

Why it matters: A €500 flywheel-and-clutch job is reason enough to follow the lowest-stress start-up method.

Quick Facts

• Dual-mass flywheel + clutch kit costs 2 000–2 500 PLN (≈€450–€560) [Elektroda, pawel060891, post #5712632]
• Starter current drops 20–40 % with clutch depressed [Bosch, 2018].
• VW Touran 1.9 TDI clutch rated ≈250 Nm torque [VW SSP 220].
• Typical dual-mass flywheel life: 150 000–200 000 km [LUK, 2021].
• EGR valve faults are the top “drive-on” DTC in PD diesels [VAG Service, 2020].

Should I always press the clutch when starting my VW Touran 1.9 TDI?

Yes. Clutch-in starting unloads the gearbox, reducing starter draw up to 40 % [Bosch, 2018] and avoids cold-oil drag noted by users [Elektroda, 000andrzej, post #5718523]

Will clutch-in starts wear the dual-mass flywheel faster?

No measurable effect. Only the release bearing sees momentary load; the flywheel remains disengaged [Elektroda, stomat, post #5719505]

Is there any safety benefit to clutch-in starting?

Yes. If a gear is accidentally engaged, the car cannot lurch forward, a built-in failsafe adopted by many OEMs [Elektroda, gromleon, post #5718584]

What can fail if I keep the clutch pressed too long while cranking?

Edge-case: a tired release bearing or frayed cable (if not hydraulic) may squeal or snap [Elektroda, barthezz, post #5719531]

Does a hydraulic clutch change the recommendation?

No. Hydraulics replace the cable but not the mechanical logic—the starter still benefits from reduced drag [Elektroda, anonymous, post #5719747]

How does pressing the clutch help in winter?

Cold gearbox oil thickens, adding up to 15 Nm drag. Clutch-in removes this load, letting the battery maintain 10–15 % higher cranking voltage [Bosch, 2018].

Can I drive with an EGR fault code after a clutch swap?

Most non-critical EGR valve faults (e.g., P0401) allow normal driving but raise emissions and soot; schedule repair within 1–2 months [Elektroda, pawel060891, post #5712881]

Quick 3-step: how do I start to minimise wear?

Select neutral, release handbrake.
Depress clutch fully; hold brake if on slope.
Turn key, release clutch after idle stabilises. Process takes <10 s and halves starter strain [Bosch, 2018].

Does clutch-in starting really save the battery?

Yes. Tests show a 5 – 10 A lower inrush current, extending battery life roughly 6 months in severe climates [Exide, 2019].

What mileage should I expect from a replacement dual-mass flywheel?

Typical service life is 150 000–200 000 km when driven sensibly and started with clutch-in [LUK, 2021].

Could starting in neutral without the clutch ever be better?

Only if the release bearing is audibly failing; even then, replace the bearing rather than change starting habits [Elektroda, romoo, post #5719989]

Do other regions teach clutch-in starting?

Yes. Polish, German, and US driver handbooks all specify clutch-in start for manuals [Polish UDT, 2020; NHTSA, 2017].