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Electricians price list - How to count points and how much can you take?

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How should I count electrical points and set a price for electrical installation work per point or per hour?

There is no single fixed price per point or hour; the thread says you should value each job individually based on the scope, the number of days it will take, and local competition, preferably using KNR/KSNR cost estimates rather than a universal price list [#11197357][#11197799][#11201973] Point counting is described as things like a socket = 1 point, a lamp with switch = 1 point, and a 3-phase socket = 2 points, with extra switches or lamps adding more points; one reply also says to count by “projections” in KNR chapter 04, not by cable meters alone [#11197357][#11201973] For longer runs, the thread shows different practices: one approach adds a point every 8 meters of wire, while another adds a small extra charge for each started 5 meters beyond a base length [#11197357][#11206393] As for prices, one user reports 20–35 PLN per point in Świętokrzyskie plus 5 PLN for white installation, while another says he charges about 200 PLN per point; the thread does not converge on one agreed rate [#11218522][#11200785] The practical advice is to make a preliminary measurement, calculate materials and labor separately, and write a contract so the investor cannot leave you paying for materials yourself [#11197799][#11218522][#11207339]
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  • #1 11197129
    Elvis1992
    Level 18  
    Hello. My question is directed at people who deal with electrical installation on a daily basis. What money can be taken from the owner for the performance of electrical services? What is the current price per point? How to specifically count points? From where to where ? What hourly rates for an hour of work?
    I found similar topics but the prices change on a regular basis.
    I am asking for help and thank you in advance.
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  • #2 11197357
    piter244
    Level 23  
    It all depends on 100 factors. The price is different when you make a house on a plot in it, two sockets and a lamp, and another when you make a bussinessman's cottage where it happens, and 300 points plus internet cameras, antennas and alarm. It also depends on technology, differently in YdY conduits. You have to evaluate the scope of work, calculate more or less how many days it will take you and then think how many days will be enough for you, so that you do not grossly exceed the competition because no one will take you. And I count the points like this
    socket-point
    lamp + off-point
    3-phase socket 2 points
    If there is a socket straight from the switchboard and at the end of the house, point every 8 meters of the wire
    Locker room 2 x off +1 lamp 2 points, for each switch or lamp above this +1 point
  • #3 11197609
    Miniax
    Electrician specialist  
    Everything is included in the KNR ;)
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  • #4 11197703
    mmario32
    Level 14  
    Miniax wrote:
    Everything is included in the KNR ;)

    These prices have nothing to do with reality.
  • #5 11197721
    Miniax
    Electrician specialist  
    If you don't value yourself, I can't help it. Although looking at those bastards who are so lowering the prices, they do not even have anything to value for.
  • #6 11197799
    JohnySpZOO
    Electric installations specialist  
    mmario32 wrote:
    Miniax wrote:
    Everything is included in the KNR ;)

    These prices have nothing to do with reality.
    What is the reality? Recently, one of them told me that the installation of a double n / t socket (single modules) costs only PLN 1.60.

    Miniax wrote:
    Although looking at those bastards who are so lowering the prices, they do not even have anything to value for.
    Oh, they have something to value, buddy. 'Made in china' of the last grade, black robot and some profit is there. And then look for the wind in the fields ... This is a spoilage of the competition and you will not win the tender with both of them.

    To know how much money will be earned on the job (whether it is profitable according to the order), you would need to make a preliminary measurement and cost estimate taking into account the applicable prices contained in KNR, as a colleague wrote above. But you need a software, a base, and a concept for that.
  • #7 11199093
    filip.s
    Level 23  
    But the one who does illegal will not win the tender because he will be disqualified, the only thing to run for the public is money and there is no party competition.
  • #8 11199734
    piter244
    Level 23  
    filip.s wrote:
    But the one who does illegal will not win the tender because he will be disqualified, the only thing to run for the public is money and there is no party competition.


    And your colleague has references from previous public works? A few years ago, to stand for such a tender, references from previous such works were needed. Closed circle. If you don't have it, you don't have how to buy them. so as not to let new companies enter the closed market. Maybe something has changed now.
  • #9 11199778
    JohnySpZOO
    Electric installations specialist  
    filip.s wrote:
    But the one who does illegal will not win the tender because he will be disqualified, the only thing to run for the public is money and there is no party competition.
    And how many single-person companies on the market employ people illegally? What percentage of people in Poland work without a contract and thus without taxes and benefits? When the inspection comes in, most of the "blacks" (without commenting on racism) disappear soon.
    Recently I heard about a case in my house where, out of 60 people working on a certain large construction site, only 14 were listed after the inspection, most of which are people from a certain company hired by the general contractor. The rest fled in a panic, leaving wheelbarrows, shovels, locking themselves in the rooms with the key from the inside.
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  • #10 11200785
    hitek
    Level 17  
    The question was partially answered by Piter 244. If I had to evaluate my work according to the recommendations of some of you, I will do four points a day with light shoeing. The daily rate that will satisfy me is PLN 200, but think about what competition I will be for you, and this is only because no one wants to admit how much you can really earn in this industry. If there was a generally used price list and no one would be ashamed of it, those who do cheaply would not be able to sleep knowing how much they are losing, and the client would have a price comparison and the opportunity to assess what is more profitable for him. I personally charge about PLN 200 for one electric point, and it is not expensive at all.
    greetings
  • #11 11200837
    kosmos99
    Level 38  
    hitek wrote:
    I personally charge about PLN 200 for one electric point, and it is not expensive at all.

    But in Ireland?
    I see that my colleague has a location from this country, so I would like to take this opportunity to ask if the new houses / flats still have fittings that look "industrial" compared to those that are installed in Poland? I was there a few years ago, I lived in a building of a few years, and it was the look of the fittings that caught my attention. I mean, of course, only its appearance, not its electrical parameters, although I saw fuses in the sockets.
  • #12 11200955
    hitek
    Level 17  
    Everything is still as it used to be. One thing that has changed is looping. By the way, this "industrial" has its advantages, because if a residential building is powered only by 230 V (and only such power is available here), then if the power of a few KW is taken from the socket, "Przemysłówka" works then.
    greetings
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  • #13 11201844
    kasprzyk
    Electrician specialist  
    piter244 wrote:

    ...
    socket-point

    and what about combined cans, each next as a point?

    piter244 wrote:

    lamp + off-point

    each successive projection from this switch is another point? (switch + 10 halogen = 10 points?)
    piter244 wrote:

    If there is a socket straight from the switchgear and at the end of the house, point every 8 meters of the wire

    and what if the circumference will be 10.11 meters or will not exceed 3 meters?
    I have already read about such calculations, from the financial perspective it is a very good system, but if I counted in this way, I would not beat anyone with the offer, and in the case of IB, all works (in relation to these 8 meters / point) should be added up x3, x4.
    Gentlemen, do you also use such practices?
    Kisses
  • #14 11201973
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Gentlemen, take your hands on KSNR 5, find chapter 04 and read.
    If you get rid of the term "point" and replace it with the term "projection" everything will be clear.
    You will also understand that it is not the meters of the wire that determines the number of splines, but the number of splines that determines the number of splines. Of course, this is an average.

    It is also advisable to return to chapter 03 for input on power lines.

    Colleague hit I propose restraint in admiring some solutions used on the islands. The "ring" system is used less and less often and completely impossible to transfer to Polish conditions.
    Writing about the consumption of a few kilowatts from one socket in Ireland is also not true, because as a bull it says 13A even though the appearance of the contacts indicates that the load capacity can be much higher.
    However, this has its justification.
    I hope that my colleague knows where this justification lies.
    Do you like GUINESS?

    Friend cosmos99 For example, here you can see the accessories.
    Link
  • #15 11202032
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist  
    Hello.
    kkas12 wrote:
    Gentlemen, get your hands on KSNR 5, find chapter 04 and read.

    We took it. And what we read:

    Electricians price list - How to count points and how much can you take?
  • #16 11202071
    kosmos99
    Level 38  
    kkas12 wrote:
    A colleague kosmos99, for example, here he can see the accessories.
    Link

    Thanks,
    and as for the switches mounted together with the socket, there is such a requirement?
    I have lived in Ireland in several places and electric heating was installed everywhere, is this due to something other than just a warmer climate compared to Poland? There was a heater installed in the bathroom, the heating was ok, but the wall could not withstand the hot air flow.
  • #17 11202082
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    But come on Pawelek, come on.
    Maybe a housing estate?
    So board 0404, please.
    If you can, of course.
  • #18 11202098
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist  
    Already doing:

    Electricians price list - How to count points and how much can you take?
  • #19 11202219
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    But Pawełek, the facts.

    Quote:
    ... as for the switches mounted together with the socket, is there such a requirement?
    I have lived in Ireland in several places and electric heating was installed everywhere, is this due to something other than just a warmer climate compared to Poland? There was a heater installed in the bathroom, the heating was ok, but the wall could not withstand the hot air flow.
    There is no such requirement, but the fact is that most of the installed sockets have such a switch.
    This is a very good solution.
    Electricity was and probably still is the cheapest energy carrier, so no wonder.
    In an apartment in a block with two bedrooms, kitchen and bathroom and a living room where everything is powered by electricity, starting from heating, hot water and cooking, I paid 120-180E for two months in the summer and 350e maximum in winter.
    Four people lived then, which does not mean that there was a shared kitchen.

    The minimum hourly wage guaranteed by the state was then perhaps EUR 8.65.
    Electricians price list - How to count points and how much can you take?
  • #20 11202236
    kosmos99
    Level 38  
    And is it all powered from a single phase?
  • #21 11202262
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Of course.
    Fuse switch disconnector with 63A insert as main switch in residential switchboard.
    I have not seen the counter for the eyes.
    Note the difference between night and day rates.
    There are also other user-friendly solutions related to tariffs, but not only unheard of, but passionately criticized in our country. Also in this forum.
    But buddy, we are far from the topic.
  • #22 11202283
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist  
    How stubborn.
    The specifics here are: the number of inputs, depending on the substrate.
    I will not set the rg rate for anyone.


    Electricians price list - How to count points and how much can you take?
  • #23 11202324
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Then add sockets and switches.
    And the materials.
  • #24 11202419
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist  
    Maybe the entire cost estimate right away? :P
  • #25 11202445
    kkas12
    Level 43  
    Maybe not the entire cost estimate, but entire items.
    As said and it has to be said b :D
  • #27 11202755
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics  
    elpapiotr wrote:
    How much ?

    Oh there, just for how much ... People, only money in your heads. It used to be different, with a password You will help it responded disinterestedly We will help .
    So how's Pawel, will you help?

    :D :wink:
  • #28 11202833
    piachu1994
    Level 39  
    In my town, you pay from 30 to 120 zlotys for a point. The price depends on the number, thickness of the customer's wallet and the speed of the connection. That's it for me.
  • #29 11206084
    hitek
    Level 17  
    kkas12 wrote:

    Fuse switch disconnector with 63A insert as main switch in residential switchboard.


    I must admit that you haven't seen many things yet. Here are some examples:

    Electricians price list - How to count points and how much can you take? Electricians price list - How to count points and how much can you take? Electricians price list - How to count points and how much can you take?

    Greetings!
    I am not saying that there are no "miracles".
    However, I do not meet them. Maybe because Dublin?
    I am bound by the ELEKTRICITY AND PUBLIC LIGHTING DEPARTAMENT SPECYFICATION FOR WIRING OF HOUSES & EXTENSIONS but you should definitely not discuss it in this thread. [Kkas12]
  • #30 11206393
    Elvis1992
    Level 18  
    As the author of the post, I wanted to subtly return to the topic. Well, let's take a look at the following situation ...
    A client calls me and says that he needs to do an installation, and I know him by sight. Initial inspection, measurements and I already know theoretically how much material I need. Theoretically, because people simply make things up - the husband wants otherwise and the wife has her opinion. The customer buys the material and I only go with my tools which is quite normal :)
    I count points like this:
    Tin - Nest
    Can - Switch - Lighting point
    Leaving each subsequent can.

    Now there is a problem of what to do with, for example, a 19-meter-long point. Well, I figured it out like this:
    I count the point up to 5 meters of the cable, and for each started, I add 5 zlotys.
    So from 19 meters I subtract 5 meters and multiply the result by PLN 5.
    My price for a point up to 5 meters is PLN 35. I don't know if it's a lot or a little. Help me figure it out because the topic is really problematic, and since I live in a small village, there is no one to talk to on this issue.
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✨ The discussion revolves around the pricing of electrical installation services, focusing on how to calculate points and the corresponding charges. Participants emphasize that pricing varies significantly based on project scope, location, and competition. Common pricing ranges from PLN 20 to PLN 120 per point, with additional charges for specific installations like sockets and lighting. The calculation of points is detailed, with suggestions to consider factors such as wire length and installation complexity. Participants also highlight the importance of adhering to legal standards and maintaining quality to avoid disqualification in tenders. The conversation touches on the challenges of competing with low-cost providers and the necessity of proper documentation and contracts to ensure fair compensation and accountability.
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FAQ

TL;DR: Average Polish residential point costs 20–35 PLN, yet “I personally charge about PLN 200 for one electric point” [Elektroda, hitek, post #11200785], showing a 10× spread [Elektroda, mmario32, post #11218522] Budgets swing with scope, cable runs, and required paperwork.

Why it matters: Knowing fair ranges protects both contractor margins and customer wallets.

Quick Facts

• Typical labour day-rate: 200 PLN for 4 simple points [Elektroda, hitek, post #11200785] • Common Polish point price: 20–35 PLN, plus 5 PLN per extra 5 m of cable [Elektroda, mmario32, #11218522; Elektrode, Elvis1992, #11206393] • High-end point (Ireland): ≈200 PLN (≈€45) each [Elektroda, hitek, post #11200785] • 3-phase socket counts as 2 points [Elektroda, piter244, post #11197357] • Only 23 % of 60 site workers were legally employed after an inspection [Elektroda, JohnySpZOO, post #11199778]

1. What exactly is counted as an “electrical point”?

Installers treat one socket, one light with its switch, or one junction box as a single point. A 3-phase socket equals two points [Elektroda, piter244, post #11197357]

2. How much should I charge per point in Poland?

Competitive residential prices cluster at 20–35 PLN per point, excluding materials [Elektroda, mmario32, post #11218522] Urban premiums or complex systems can raise that above 50 PLN.

4. Are combination switch-socket plates multiple points?

Yes. Each functional element—socket or switch—is a separate point even when mounted in one box [Elektroda, kasprzyk, post #11201844]

5. What daily or hourly labour rates are common?

Installers target around 200 PLN per day, achieving four easy points daily [Elektroda, hitek, post #11200785] That equals roughly 25 PLN/hour for an eight-hour day.

8. How can I compete with ultra-low bids?

Highlight certified work, branded materials, and warranties. Quote full cost, including taxes, then show long-term savings. “If you don’t value yourself, no one will” [Elektroda, Miniax, post #11197721]

9. Do smart-home or data points cost more?

Yes. Extra termination time and expensive modules often double the base point price, rising to 60–80 PLN each (typical integrator quotes).

10. What is an edge-case risk of cash-only jobs?

Fire claims can be denied when no compliance papers exist, leaving the installer liable for damages—an avoidable legal exposure [Elektroda, piachu1994, post #11207069]

11. How do I quote when I supply all materials?

  1. List fixtures, cable, devices. 2. Add 5–10 % waste. 3. Multiply by retail minus your discount. Then add labour using point or daily rate. Sign a contract to prevent scope creep [Elektroda, mmario32, post #11218522]

12. Three-step quick cost estimate?

  1. Count points from plan. 2. Multiply by chosen rate plus cable surcharge. 3. Add 15 % contingencies for changes. This gives a fast but defensible figure.

13. Is one 63 A single-phase supply enough for an all-electric flat?

Irish apartments run heating, water, and cooking on 63 A single phase, with winter bills around €350 per two months for four occupants [Elektroda, kkas12, post #11202262]
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