Installation of Switchgear Valuation: Assessing Fair Pricing for Mounted Cameras & Limiters

Hello.

I know that I'm about to be flooded with criticism about my inability to make a valuation.

I sewed the client only the switchgear (it was mounted).
I have selected the cameras according to the number of circuits, I figured, and the description of the switches will be using the yellow tape from the brother printer. I am still waiting for the limiters I ordered. The material is paid by the customer separately.
And I have a slight pricing dilemma. Tell me if the price of PLN 600 is affordable for both parties?

I think 480 PLN. it's a good price.

By the way, I apologize for your comments right away. Where is the marking of the PEN conductor its cross-section is also questionable, but it's not your fault.
About this switch and connecting the aggregate to the network has already been sufficiently written in the thread of its selection, conclusions have not been drawn.

Friend mawerix123 is closer to the truth.

Specification of works:
1. Install the device on the support rail
2. Connecting the wires to the device and the terminals (protective and neutral)
3. Checking the operation of the apparatus.
4. Placing a marker with a circuit description

Outlays:
Installation of modular equipment in switchboards
- excl. overcurrent, 1-pole: 0.18 rg
- excl. 3-pole overcurrent: 0.26 rg
- 2-pole switch disconnector or RCD: 0.22 rg
- switch disconnector or switch 4-pole RCD: 0.34 rg

Rg "downloaded" from KNR 5-08 table 0407.

djlukas wrote:

Tell me if the price of PLN 600 is affordable for both parties?

If the customer accepts the price and you are satisfied with it, you can present him the price.
Whereas

mawerix123 wrote:

I think 480 PLN. it's a good price.

It is a price close to the price of KNNR (KNNR 9 0201-04) - replacement of housings with an area of more than 0.5 m2 - PLN 491.37.

kozi966 wrote:

It is close to the price with KNNR (KNNR 9 0201-04) - replacement of housings with an area of more than 0.5 m2 - PLN 491.37.

Where does your colleague see "housing replacement"?

Because, according to KNNR 9 (0201-04), I see:

elpapiotr wrote:

KNNR 9 (0201-04)

I opened a catalog of Bistyp unit prices, there is no list of works in the paper version.

Besides, the area of this enclosure / board certainly does not exceed 0.5 m2.

And Pawle, you can add the assembly of rails and arranging wires in bundles.
Unfortunately, I have a new computer and I do not have directories in it at the moment, so I cannot indicate these items now, but I know they exist.

And the selection and ordering of accessories?

Of course you can.




Previously, I gave only modular cameras, from the paper version. The next table from KNR 5-08 is No. 0408, and there we have rails, slats, etc.
We add the following table:



Finally, we insert the rg rate, and the client has no right to question the valuation.

Brivido wrote:

And the selection and ordering of accessories?

I enlarge Kp, and after the trouble.

Buddy djlukas - here's a mistake:

djlukas wrote:

I selected the devices for the number of circuits.

This should be considered as an installation design.

djlukas wrote:

I am still waiting for the limiters I ordered.

Analysis and selection of anti-surge protection.

djlukas wrote:

I only stitched the customer's switchboard

From this you have to deduct tax, travel costs for work and inspection costs.

djlukas wrote:

I am still waiting for the limiters I ordered.

So you have to go to this client again.

djlukas wrote:

The material is paid by the customer separately.

Did you give him the list and the client brought the material from the warehouse himself?
If not, you also had to pay the purchase cost.

Summary.
Someone did the cabling for the client - probably by customer guidelines.
No design = necessary selection of devices.
You actually did the installation project.
You were probably the last person to turn on the voltage.
Who is legally responsible for this?

elpapiotr wrote:

Friend mawerix123 is closer to the truth ..

The amount of PLN 480.00.
It is a public forum - also available to the unregistered.
What are some projects for?
It is enough to do as this client and all the labor recommended on the Elektroda forum is only PLN 480.00.

Keep reading - customers are just waiting for it.

How much a given company will take - is another matter.
Discounts are applied for various reasons.
The job is worth much more than PLN 600.00.

djlukas wrote:

I only stitched the customer's switchboard (it was mounted).

And I inserted the KNR assembly of switchgear apparatus with additional elements.

So I understand that such a CYRUS2 switchgear will last 3 days.
Congratulations on the pace of work.

elpapiotr wrote:

Finally, we insert the rg rate, and the client has no right to question the valuation.

Prices according to KNR are not official prices.
He can always say that he will choose a cheaper contractor.

We have capitalism.
The same product from the same manufacturer in one store it is cheaper, in another it is more expensive.
Not only that - the price of a product depends on who buys the same product.
And no one is questioning anything.
The same applies to electrical works.

Well, how much would it be CYRUS2 took for this job, including the project?

elpapiotr wrote:

Well, how much would it be CYRUS2 took for this job, including the project?

Certainly not less than PLN 600.00 (net)
If you have better clients, you won't be doing that much.
If you do not have.....
The project is based on the fact that you take substantive responsibility.
for the selection of cameras, so it cannot be (as you count) on assembly work.

How much does the selection of cameras cost, ask your fellow designers.
In the valuation of PLN 600.00 it is - in my opinion - a free job.

Of course, a colleague will sign this project, right?

And the SVN129 controls do not require back-up?

CYRUS2 wrote:

You actually did the installation project.
You were probably the last person to turn on the voltage.
Who is legally responsible for this?

I would not subscribe to this project ;)

CYRUS2 wrote:

The job is worth much more than PLN 600.00.

How much do you have to take for these thirty-few modules and a half-day of work, because I think I'm doing half-free There is probably no question of paying the tax and invoice, since the investor finances the purchase of the cameras himself

mawerix123 wrote:

How much do you have to take for these thirty-few modules and a half-day of work, because I think I'm doing half-free There is probably no question of paying the tax and invoice, since the investor finances the purchase of the cameras himself

I don't know if you'll do it for half a day ;)

Identification of circuits, layout and grouping on the RCD. This also needs to be calculated. The worst thing is when you walk on someone.
In my opinion, PLN 480 is a bit too little. It would be different if you did the installations from scratch, then you can count some things cheaper.
In my opinion, in this case, the PLN 600 (net) is a fair price.

CYRUS2 wrote:

You actually did the installation project.

Łukasz-O wrote:

Identification of circuits, layout and grouping on the RCD. This also needs to be calculated. The worst thing is when you pick someone up.

What else can be attached to increase the value of this service, hhhmmmm, can be the description of the apparatus, switchgear and the implementation of the as-built diagram, as well as insulation measurements before applying voltage and IPZ of the switchgear.
The area itself also affects the price of the service, something else Warsaw and the outskirts away from the city where there are other man-hour rates where fachmiszcze can install in a house for 2k, including switchgear.

PLN 600 is a very fair price.
For such a switchgear with several RCDs and a network-generator switch, PLN 800 net plus material is easily taken.
However, if my colleagues want to do it for PLN 480, I do not defend it, and maybe someone wants to do it for PLN 300, but then do not complain that the rates are falling.
As for the KNNRs, you can calculate any amount you can think of.
It all depends on the skills of the calculator, the cost estimate for this switchgear can have 7 items, and it can have, for example, 25.

elpapiotr wrote:

Finally, we insert the rg rate, and the client has no right to question the valuation.

The customer always has the right to question the quote and always has the right to choose a cheaper one.
This is called the free market, but that doesn't mean we're supposed to do half free.

masonry wrote:

However, if my colleagues want to do it for PLN 480, I do not defend it, and maybe someone wants to do it for PLN 300, but then do not complain that the rates are falling.

Considerations should not be in a public forum.

This topic is an example of a professional appraisal.
The work of an electrician is limited to the skill of using a screwdriver.

On this principle, issuing a prescription by a doctor = fee not more than PLN 10

Even when CYRUS2 shows the switchboard, which he personally made for PLN 600.00, I will be very happy.

CYRUS2 wrote:

masonry wrote:
However, if my colleagues want to do it for PLN 480, I do not defend it, and maybe someone wants to do it for PLN 300, but then do not complain that the rates are falling.
Considerations should not be in a public forum.

Why not, the price is underestimated in my opinion it is fair, the switchboard is not even half full and the circuits to connect only 25 something a colleague quickly withdrew from his earlier speech, probably after reading a colleague's post freemasons .

800 PLN for such a separation, probably my conscience would not let me "scream"

My friend, I know that for someone who knows his job, such a switchboard is a piece of cake, but it is not just about physically turning the screws.
Whether you want to or not, consciously or not consciously, but in this work, apart from your hands, you also use your knowledge, which you had to get somehow.
I think that is what my colleague Cyrus is about, I am of the same opinion.
When I take a surveyor, I also pay a lot of money, sometimes he will stick 2 stakes and you have to pick 8 stakes.
I have been cooperating with one surveyor for years and we know each other well and once, when I was joking with geodesists, he told me an anecdote.
"The investor called the geodesist to mark out the foundations of the house, the house is in a square, so the geodesist stuck in 4 stakes and deleted PLN 2,000.
Surprised investor asks what so much money for, are these stakes made of gold?
The surveyor says, no stakes cost PLN 50 per piece, punching them in PLN 25 per piece, which gives a total of PLN 300, and the remaining PLN 1700 is for knowing where to stick them "
The same with our robots, the price is made up of the robot itself, plus that you know how and you can do it.

Quote:

Whether you want to or not, consciously or not consciously, but in this work, apart from your hands, you also use your knowledge, which you had to get somehow.
I think that is what my friend Cyrus is about, I am of the same opinion

That's right. Just like a man who has never made any switchgear in his life, he fiercely discusses the right prices for them (?)

freemasons you are also right, but if you could convert this service into man-hours with a screwdriver in your hand and baggage of experience in the industry that will allow you to think about the construction of such a switchboard, how much would one gross hour of your work be :?:

Maybe we should not get involved in the construction of a very simple switchboard of doctors and surveyors ... this is not building a station

elpapiotr wrote:

Just like a man who has never made any switchgear in his life, he fiercely discusses the right prices for them (?)

Do not sin!
The rate is between 14.30 and 16.20.
Here my colleague was probably 6 or 8 items, I would have many more and none would be made up.

masonry wrote:

The rate is between 14.30 and 16.20.

I emphasize, I asked about the man-hours ... Well, that is, when doing this switchgear 20 hours, a colleague should collect PLN 324 and three days after 10 hours would give 486 PLN, I count 16.20 ... unless I have manual properties that will allow me to do this job in 10h, I can say 48.6 PLN / h in an hour, probably enough, and more than a day's wages certainly did not come where the 600+ and net for such switchgear come from, four days of "tedious hard work" :D

I can't keep up with your math for me 2 + 2 = 4 and not 7

Rather, you asked for the price of a man-hour.

mawerix123 wrote:

how much would one gross hour of your work be

To discuss cost estimates and cost estimates, you need to know the principles of costing.
Does the colleague run a business?

Everyone does for as much as they value. You are able to convince the client that this job is worth PLN 600, your plus. You're not, do it for PLN 50.
As for the net / gross prices, I recommend to those who do jobs after work with the company's equipment, count how much it costs to maintain the company for a month. And not every day we make boards for PLN 600.
You only see the profit and the costs? Even draining the water in the toilet costs money and you have to set aside from the 600 zlotys for it, in case you only have one such board next week.