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Installing Radiators in a 35m Garage: Insulation and Thermostatic Valve Considerations

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How should I heat a 35 m² unfinished garage—should I insulate it, use radiators or underfloor heating, and should I use ordinary or thermostatic valves?

If you want the garage kept only a few degrees above zero all the time, the preferred solution in the thread is underfloor heating, but only with proper insulation; one reply recommends hard EPS100 foam at least 8 cm under the slab and 8–10 cm of concrete, with a thermostat and thermal actuator mandatory [#13330513] Since your garage is still unfinished, another reply says it makes sense to insulate the walls too, e.g. with about 10–15 cm of Styrofoam, and underfloor heating is especially practical before the screed is made [#11625728] Radiators will heat mainly near the ceiling and lose more energy every time the door opens, so they are less suitable for a garage that is opened often; several replies note that floor heating keeps the floor warm, reduces moisture, and is better for the car [#11738249 #13346337]. If you choose radiators instead, use a thermostatic valve rather than a plain valve; one reply explicitly recommends a closed system filled with liquid and a thermostatic valve for a 35 m² garage [#13276740] For a garage that is only heated sporadically, some posters suggest radiators or even electric heating, but for constant low-temperature heating the thread favors insulated underfloor heating [#13374371 #11736806].
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  • #31 14249818
    daniel_lhr
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    Yes , but at the expense of a thinner lagging . The pvc pipe is 105mm inside .
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    An-2
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    mateuszt2 wrote:
    Now it looks like the pictures. Cost 110zł plus shipping 30zl. It heats super. Even at 45 degrees.

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    Where can I get such heaters? What type is it?
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    wesmar
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    Detached garage 36 sqm. 3m high. Insulated except for the floor. The most economical comes out heating with an inverter. I have a mitsubushi 3.5 kW with a scop of about 4. But today I would take a Chinese one with a scop of 4.8 for 900 zł from olx or post-lease. At the beginning it takes 900 W after 10 min as it is already 21 deg C the intake drops to about 300 W (1.2kW heat output) For a setting of 10 deg C and frost -5 delta T is 15 deg. So both daikin, LG, as well as a few chinese have a COP of about 6 in this range
    With 500 W of electrical power consumed you have 3 kw of heat. Keeping that heat in an insulated garage (without insulating the floor) as in my cubicle at 10 deg C. That's about 500 W max of power from the heating air conditioner. That is less than 100 watts of electrical power

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    daniel4x4
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    Maybe it is better to install underfloor heating plus a radiator. When you need to do something at the car unbolt the radiator and it gets warm.
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  • #35 16973009
    wnoto
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    wesmar wrote:
    But today I would take a Chinese one with a scop of 4.8 for 900 zł from olx or a post-lease one
    Such SCOP is not even the branded air conditioners for our climate .... you believe too much in marketing.
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    wesmar
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    You must have slept through the last 3 years. Ururu Sarara has a SCOP of 5.9 for our climate. Tested on numerous Western forums and even in Tomsk. Anyway, SCOP cannot be manipulated by definition. It costs money and yes. But an LG with an SCOP around 5 goes for 2 thousand.
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    Walery K
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    wesmar
    Are you able to provide a specific model of this LG?
    I would be interested in something like that too.
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    wnoto
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    wesmar wrote:
    It seems you slept through the last 3 years. The Ururu Sarara has a SCOP of 5.9 for our climate.


    And can you provide a link to the data ?
    http://www.daikin.waw.pl/oferta/klimatyzacja/jednostki_nas/ftxz_rxz_ururu_sarara,p839390831
    In this it is 5.9 for a temperate climate - that is not ours.
    Well, that price .... 9 thousand PLN ... for a garage ? for 2.5kW and where 900 zł :)

    LG (e.g. deluxe) is also given for moderate climate .... and this significantly affects SCOP.
    But I would like to be wrong :) because I myself am looking for a heating air conditioner for reasonable money. So that it will earn itself in a reasonable time.
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    wesmar
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    LG P09EN you will buy under 1500 zł, still SCOP = 4.0 no it is as much as my mitsu- please check olx for example
    Chinese GREE I can bring for 1400 zł from Amsterdam range: A++ 4.6 ≤ SCOP < 5.1 . The more willing the cheaper up to the vicinity of 1000 zł
    Hence I write that I would not take mitsubishi today. There, too, is a BLDC/PMSM motor. The compressor is almost the same everywhere. It can go 2 years as well as 10. For the "Polish gloomy bear" who knows how to install an air conditioner by himself - there is no better cheaper heating. The second thing is a fianancial thinker - here will still win the cryptocurrency heater-digger for 6 thousand with 6 GT1060, heating with power of 600W (for a garage and set 8. deg C) and still making money in the last 2 years, (return and exit to zero max 13 m-cy at 60 gr./kWh). In the balance, heating is for free while the return of the equipment depending on the tariff and efficiency 6-18 mcy. Then it even makes money. However, let's stay with the heating mentioned in the thread. That one I gave as a curiosity


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    @Walery - as for LG I wrote to a friendly service in Amsterdam, where they sell so-called REFURBISHED air conditioners. At the same time I dug up something else interesting from the autumn of last year:
    [url=]http://cooperandhunter.nl/alpha-s09ftxe-90m3.html[/url]
    These very good cooper&hunter air conditioners I can get for 329 euros (I do not include transport). In Poland you will not buy for so much. With this you can already heat/heat a small detached house, and certainly the living room. These 4.6 kW of heat (with an intake from the outlet of 1 kW) due to air mixing and the feeling of comfort compare people to 6kw from an accumulator stove with SCOP always

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around heating solutions for a 35m² garage located 5m from a house, focusing on the installation of radiators and insulation considerations. Users suggest various heating methods, including underfloor heating, which is favored for its efficiency and ability to maintain a consistent temperature. Insulation with Styrofoam is recommended to enhance heat retention. The use of thermostatic valves is debated, with some advocating for their installation to optimize heating. Concerns about the effectiveness of underfloor heating for vehicles in winter are raised, alongside suggestions for using electric heaters or traditional radiators. The conversation also touches on the practicality of using fans to improve heat distribution and the importance of proper pipe sizing for heating systems.
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TL;DR: For a 35 m² detached garage, 8 cm EPS under-slab insulation can cut heat loss by ≈30 % [andrzej lukaszewicz, #13330513]. "Underfloor heating is the most economical" [wada, #11738249]. Choose PEX-16 (200 m) and 45–50 °C water to keep 7–10 °C inside. Why it matters: balanced comfort protects your car and tools while slashing fuel bills.

Quick Facts

• Heat load for a 35 m² garage held at +10 °C: approx. 1.5–2 kW [EN 12831]. • 200 m of PEX-16 pipe costs ~500 zł and covers 35 m² floor area [andrzej lukaszewicz, #13330513]. • EPS100 polystyrene, 8 cm thick, meets 0.38 W /m²K floor U-value target [andrzej lukaszewicz, #13330513]. • Salvaged copper heater core + fan can double panel-radiator output at the same flow [Piotr77777, #11736712]. • Heat-pump with SCOP 4 draws ~300 W to supply 1.2 kW heat at −5 °C [wesmar, #16929608].

Do I need to insulate a 35 m² brick garage before adding heaters?

Yes. A 10 cm external styrofoam layer lowers transmission losses enough to hold 7 °C with low water temperature [William Bonawentura, #11625728].

Which system is cheaper for a steady 7–10 °C: underfloor or wall radiators?

Underfloor wins. Pipe, insulation and screed cost about 30 zł/m², yet supply water can stay at 25–30 °C, cutting boiler cycling [wada, #11738249].

How thick should the insulation under the slab be?

Install at least 8 cm EPS100. This depth resists wheel loads and meets Polish garage U-value rules [andrzej lukaszewicz, #13330513].

What pipe length and spacing heat 35 m² evenly?

Lay 200 m of PEX-16 at 20–25 cm centres. Flow 2–3 L/min suits 45 °C supply [andrzej lukaszewicz, #13330513].

Can I use 16 mm PEX buried 20 m from the boiler?

Yes, but run twin PEX in a 110 mm PVC conduit and add 18/20 mm lagging to slash ground losses [daniel_lhr, #14249745].

What if the garage is used only occasionally?

Large concrete inertia delays warm-up. In that case oversize a fan-assisted radiator or use an electric radiant panel for rapid heat [Grzegorz Siemienowicz, #13374371].

Will under-floor pipes freeze in power outages?

Slope manifolds to a 170 cm deep valve so you can drain by gravity; no slope means trapped water can burst pipes [mscgs24, #11625745].

How much heat can a recycled car heater core deliver?

At 50 °C water and twin 30 cm fans it can provide 3–4 kW—about twice a 600 mm panel radiator [Piotr77777, #11736712].

How do I connect that heater core for best output?

  1. Replace the top bypass with a T-piece on the supply.
  2. Mirror on the return side.
  3. Bleed at the highest point. This doubles wet surface and eases venting [saskia, #11743027].

Which diameter PEX supply line minimises hydraulic loss over 20 m?

PEX-20 × 2 mm gives ≈100 Pa pressure drop at 0.2 L/s, 40 % less than PEX-16, aiding small pumps [Jacek79, #14249808].

Do I need thermostatic valves?

Fit one on each emitter. At only 10 °C set-point they prevent overheating when sun warms the garage [Anonymous, #13276740].

Is a heat-pump air-conditioner viable for a garage?

Yes. A unit with SCOP 4.0 uses about 0.5 kWh to keep +10 °C at −5 °C outside, under 0.30 zł/h on night tariff [wesmar, #16929608].
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