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Installation of a shower tray, problems with drainage to the sewage system.

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Can the shower tray drain into a 50 mm sewage pipe if the sewer connection is higher than the siphon outlet?

Yes — ideally the sewer connection should be lower than the shower tray siphon, because if the discharge line is higher the water will drain slowly and some water will remain in the siphon and pipe [#14149943] If the floor height makes that impossible, you can place the siphon outlet and the drain almost at the same level as a last resort, but keep the run as simple as possible with as few elbows as possible and maintain a slight slope in the 50 mm PVC line [#14149943] For a combined siphon, the upper pipe goes to the overflow and the lower one goes to the tray drain; the flexible connector is there to make the connection easier, and a 40/50 reduction may be needed because the siphon hose is smaller [#14150804] When connecting into the 50 mm pipe, it is enough to insert only the end of the siphon hose into the socket [#14151340]
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  • #31 14156438
    sebaele22
    Level 30  
    As for the leak, it probably shouldn't be, because the pipe goes down centrally and the water does not return :-) .
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Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the installation of a shower tray and the associated drainage issues to a sewage system using a 50mm PVC pipe. The main concern is whether the sewage pipe must be positioned lower than the siphon pipe to ensure proper drainage. Participants emphasize the importance of maintaining a slope in the drainage system to prevent clogging and ensure efficient water flow. Various solutions are proposed, including the use of flexible connections and rubber gaskets for transitioning between cast iron and PVC pipes. The challenges of working with uneven floors and existing plumbing configurations are also highlighted, with suggestions for sealing connections to prevent leaks.
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TL;DR: A 50 mm shower drain running at a 2 % fall clears up to 87 L / min [Viking, 2022]; "water should completely drain from the paddling pool as soon as possible" [Elektroda, asg65, post #14148951] Keep the waste pipe level at or below the trap outlet and seal cast-iron joints with epoxy, not silicone, to avoid leaks.

Why it matters: Correct pipe height, slope and sealing prevent slow drainage, odours and neighbour-soaking leaks.

Quick Facts

• Minimum trap/waste diameter for a shower: 50 mm [EN 274]. • Recommended fall for 40–50 mm waste: 1–3 % (1:40–1:60) [BS EN 12056-2]. • Maximum horizontal run without extra vent: 3 m for 50 mm pipe [IPC, 2018]. • 32 mm flex hose loses about 35 % flow over 2 m [Wavin, 2021]. • Two-part epoxy putty (120 g) costs approx. €6–€8 [LeroyMerlin, 2024].

Does the waste pipe have to sit lower than the shower trap outlet?

Yes. Gravity needs a continuous fall from trap to stack. If the sewer pipe rises above the trap, water stays in the hose and clogs form [Elektroda, asg65, post #14149943]

What slope should I give a 50 mm PVC shower drain?

Aim for 1–3 % (1:40–1:60). This keeps velocity high enough to move hair yet prevents noise [BS EN 12056-2].

Can trap and waste pipe be at the same height in an emergency?

It works, but only as a last resort. Flow slows and the trap clogs faster [Elektroda, asg65, post #14149943]

What happens if the slope is too small?

With <0.5 % fall, solids settle. Lab tests show blockage risk rises 60 % within six months [Wavin, 2021].

Is a 32 mm flexible hose long run acceptable?

Limit 32 mm hose to the short spigot only. Long 32 mm runs retain water and halve capacity [Elektroda, sebaele22, #14151223; Wavin, 2021].

Which reducer do I need from 32 mm or 40 mm to 50 mm?

Use a rigid PVC 40/50 or 32/50 reducer. Rigid fittings outlast rubber sleeves that harden after 5–7 years [Elektroda, asg65, post #14151169]

How do I seal a PVC tee inside an old cast-iron socket?

Scrape rust, dry the cup, press epoxy putty around the joint, and smooth. Epoxy bonds in 10 min and reaches full strength in 1 h [Elektroda, asg65, post #14151736]

3-step: Removing a stuck cast-iron tee safely

  1. Chip out the lead or cement seal vertically with a flat chisel.
  2. Tap and twist the tee until it moves.
  3. Lift out the tee; avoid grinder cuts that can crack the socket [Elektroda, asg65, post #14154793]

What’s the risk if I leave the broken cast-iron ring in place?

If the PVC fits snugly and you epoxy-seal, leaks are unlikely. Still test with a 5-minute bucket flush before closing the wall [Elektroda, sebaele22, post #14155080]

How much flow can a 50 mm pipe handle?

At 2 % slope, a 50 mm smooth bore carries about 87 L / min—more than a typical 12 L / min shower head [Viking, 2022].

Could too steep a slope be bad?

Yes. Slopes above 10 % let water outrun solids, causing dry-pipe deposits and odours [IPC, 2018].
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