Antenna Signal Quality Issues with NC+ Decoder, Twin Converter & Sat Dish Alignment

Hello, I bought today a pre-paid decoder in nc + link:

http://www.mediaexpert.pl/tune...-5800sxrec-z-dyskiem,id-268531

And in the previous post I asked if you can replace the satellite dish with a regular one. One user replied "Antenna with converter needed, twin converter indicated." so i bought a twin converter. I set the antenna: elevation angle: 31 azimuth: 193 deflection angle half: 8 I'm not sure if the converter deflection angle is set correctly (I'm from Zamość). I look and there is only 35% of signal strength and 0% quality, in each direction it is 0% quality (on the twin converter it is like the gray one in the picture). The platter was originally on a Single converter and this converter has 70% power and 0% quality. Did I pick something wrong?

Do not be influenced by the angular scale on the antenna, it is an illustrative scale.
Recently, I also had a problem with setting up a new antenna, the power was and the quality was lacking.
I had to struggle a bit until I found the optimal positioning of the antenna, and the angles were far from those marked on the antenna holder.

Badly positioned antenna. Please do not worry when setting the tuner meter. It's best to use an external meter. Regards artur

I do not have this gauge . I brought the antenna home on a 15 m cable, the maximum signal strength reached 80% in "one-cable mode" and in other modes it is 77%. I turned the converter slowly and the signal strength was 1% up 1% down and the signal quality was 0%. Do you set the antenna outside on the pipe and then turn the converter slowly?

Turning the converter will not do much, vertically and horizontally, only that will get the result.

As? Should I tilt the plate up and down and turn the converter? Because I do not understand.

The plate up and down and the side of the converter is rather vertical (the orientation of the converter does not matter too much). You are a bit to the east and it is not known if this antenna is too small. It is only 60 cm.

Well yes, I put this antenna outside on a vertical pipe, I turned as you say left and right, I turned left and right and where it was the most, I put the plate up and down there, still 0% quality and 50% power when I switch to single-cable mode, the antenna power will be 70% and 0% quality. I would like to add that when I was turning this antenna, the other person kept saying what the power level was on the phone. Oh, and I noticed that other neighbors also have such a small plate. Any other ideas to do it and not spend it?

In fact, I have already written next, but I will write here again,
A bottle for someone who will set it up for you. You really have little margins of movement there. And you don't even know if you're targeting the right satellite.

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It can be an old and twisted antenna, it is rather a "chapel". If someone tells you what signal, wait a while. The tuners are quite slow to show the signal. If it fails, a new dish and preferably a larger one. Regards Artur

@ new.green.beginning
(...) I would like to add that when I was turning this antenna, the other person kept saying what the power level was over the phone (...)

And you took the correction that the indicators in the tuners work with a fairly long delay, plus the delay caused by transmitting information over the phone ...
Invest a dozen or so zlotys in a signal meter. With such a small antenna, it will probably be useful to adjust the antenna settings.
When setting without the meter, change the azimuth and elevation very slowly, at the maximum signal, make a minimum correction in azimuth, elevation, twist angle, converter distance in the cover all the time observing the indications of the signal level meter in the tuner. Due to delays, it is better to transmit information about the signal level by means of a PMR radiotelephone, rather than a telephone.
In addition, I do not know if in your place of residence a good connection is the "60" antenna (original Astra use) with a TWIN converter. For me, in central Poland, such a set for HB did not work - I had to change the antenna to "90". Somehow, the SD programs worked, but the HD broadcast "shredded", the sound was intense and it was impossible to watch even with minimal gusts of wind, clouds, rainfall, etc.
Greetings.

The antenna is too small, even if you manage to align it, in worse weather conditions there will be a problem with reception.
Invest in a new one, at least 80 cm, and someone who will position it carefully.

That's good, tomorrow we work without a phone and with a larger plate. The other person will yell through the window . Tomorrow I will give a picture of what other plate I have, you will tell if it will work.

Added after 1 [minutes]:

Aaa, I had to add that the signal strength is the same when the converter is placed in front of the platter and removed. Does that mean something?

nowy.zielony.pczątku wrote:

That's good, tomorrow we work without a phone and with a larger plate. The other person will yell through the window

Maybe it will work, although this method was good in the era of analog transmission, but if you have time and will, you can try it.

Stay on the phone and remember what the others wrote (delay) and me in this post that supposedly contributes nothing (tiny margin of error). Set the antenna in the eye as the neighbors have and then add it a millimeter.

nowy.zielony.pczątku wrote:

when I switch to single-cable mode, the antenna power will be 70% and 0% quality.

This is not a single cable converter (SCR). You will never set it in this mode.

The author means the menu settings for connecting one input - single converter.

KIEROWCA_VW wrote:

The author means the menu settings for connecting one input - single converter.

I would argue here because I set up Nboxes with Unicable converters several times and in the antenna menu it was necessary to turn on the "Single-cable" mode. With single or Twinie "No diseqc" and one or two antennas, respectively.

Well, I just noticed that there is a "No diseqc" mode. And I also remembered that there is something that turns it on and the TV "beep". This is probably from the azimuth alignment of the antenna in general, am I saying that?

nowy.zielony.pczątku wrote:

And I also remembered that there is something that turns it on and the TV "beep".

Here I am surprised because I do not know the "pip" option in Nbox. Maybe you will provide a photo / screenshot of the menu ...

This is a "siren" option / function. Don't look at the TV because it's for Grandma .

nowy.zielony.pczątku wrote:

This is an option / function "siren"

Starts the acoustic "preview" of the antenna alignment. First, turn off the second antenna (unless you run two cables and give Twin, but Granny won't be recording), secondly, you have "Toneburst". You have to have "No diseqc" because you have a converter for one satellite. Unless you buy a monoblock and give your grandma TV "Trwam"

I have a twin converter and one cable had 65% of the antenna power and the other 55% of the power. But I set the antenna on one cable, because I checked how the decoder would behave on two cables (at home).

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I have a twin converter because one of the forum users recommended me a twin converter because channels that are in hd will work better or something.

nowy.zielony.pczątku wrote:

I have a twin converter because one of the forum users recommended me a twin converter because channels that are in hd will work better or something.

That just doesn't have to do with anything. You can watch something and record something else at the same time. But two cables (usually) you have to lead. It is possible on one, but then the Unicable converter (and this is what the single-cable mode is for). As you already have, you can even connect to one output (one cable) because Grandma will not record. But set up the antenna first

Exactly first you need to take care of the antenna alignment. I tried to set according to the data as in the photo.

nowy.zielony.pczątku wrote:

I tried to set according to the data as in the picture.

Beautiful, but remember (as already mentioned) that you will not get exactly these settings on the antenna scale. These are the initial "bearings" and they are just a gauge, or even the stripes on the decoder menu. And one more thing. These set-top boxes are already old and are sold refurbished. The question is, is yours able-bodied? Connect it to a certain (set) antenna and see. Because if it has a defect, you can set it up for ages.

Exactly, it said on the box that "Used decoder, refurbished with a 12-month warranty". Check in someone hymmmm well, I do not have much like, unless at some point.

I am not saying that it has a defect, but it can be different. It is enough that the capacitors are worn out a bit (and this is their most common ailment) and it may not have the appropriate sensitivity. It can walk on a well-set antenna, but not on a worse set or a smaller one (Vision). It is true that the renewal is not only about refurbishing the housing (they certainly do) but also about replacing the key capacitors, but ... as I wrote at the beginning, it can be different ...

But this plate is completely crooked. You can see the deformation from the bottom (after a fall?) And from the side.

nowy.zielony.pczątku wrote:

Aaa, I had to add that the signal strength is the same when the converter is placed in front of the platter and removed. Does that mean something?

This, among others, may be the effect that the converter does not "look" at the focus of the antenna.

I set the antenna as an amateur: I set the converter to 0 degrees. I set a more / less correct angle of inclination of the canopy on the upright mast, and slowly moving the canopy from left to right, I found a signal of about 40% quality. Then adjustments and I had 98/80.

I have a more interesting situation with a 90 cm dish with nc +. Well, I do the same method, on the same converters and I have according to the 100/100 decoder but program zero, the old CP decoder shows again that I have no signal. Is it too strong a signal? Wrong setting?