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Timer plug for automatic 30-minute power cut-off after device connection

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How can I get a socket that automatically cuts power 30 minutes after a device is plugged in, without having to reset the timer each time?

There does not seem to be a simple off-the-shelf socket that starts a 30-minute countdown automatically when a device is plugged in; the forum suggests using a time relay with delayed switch-off, and a contactor if the load current is too high [#16082618][#16082828] To make it start from connection, the load would need to be detected with a current relay or a prepared reed switch, or you could use a priority relay/current relay as the control element [#16082828][#16083304][#16089067] One reply also mentions that a control panel such as Satel Integra can do this [#16083634] If you can accept manual start each time, a ready-made “countdown timer” is available from auction sites for about 39.90–40 PLN, with 15 min, 30 min, 1 h, 2 h and 4 h settings [#16084599][#16085635] However, that timer has to be set each time and does not remember the chosen time after unplugging [#16085635]
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  • #1 16082008
    firanka15
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    Hello,
    i am looking for a device that automatically cuts off the power at the electrical socket after a certain period of time (from the moment of connection), e.g. after 30 minutes.
    It should work like this: I configure the device once to switch off after 30 minutes, I plug in another device I want to use e.g. a hoover and after 30 minutes the hoover stops working. And so on each time it is connected without having to set the time each time.
    I would be grateful for any help.
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  • #2 16082087
    Marek J.
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    Every appliance has its own switch. What's the point of such an outlet if you can switch the appliance back on by switching it off with a button and then on again (which is equivalent to removing the plug and plugging it in again).
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  • #3 16082618
    kosmogon
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    Presumably the author's point is that he doesn't have to remember to switch off a running device.

    And as for the solution: use a time relay with a delayed switch-off function. Depending on how much current the consumer is expected to draw, you may need a contactor to be controlled by this relay.
  • #4 16082828
    Marek J.
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    The author of the topic probably wants the timer to start automatically when the receiver is connected to the power supply without manually triggering the timer.
    I haven't come across such ready-made timers, but you could probably "quickly" produce something using a current relay or a suitably prepared reed switch as a load "sensor"....
  • #5 16082955
    kosmos99
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    So plugging the device into an outlet is supposed to trigger a countdown timer?
  • #6 16083304
    kortyleski
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    Priority and timer chained together. The priority detects the load and triggers the timer. The latter supports the load that the priority timer no longer sees. When the timer finishes, everything goes back to the beginning.
  • #7 16083372
    kosmos99
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    kortyleski wrote:
    First it detects the load and triggers the timer.

    How is it supposed to detect the load if there is no voltage?
  • #8 16083614
    firanka15
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    Gentlemen, thank you very much for all your ideas. The problem is, however, that I am looking for a ready-made solution, because I am completely unfamiliar with electrical engineering and, to be honest, I have not even fully understood the solutions proposed by you. I was hoping that if there were WiFi-controlled sockets, there would be something like that too. The idea is precisely not to have to remember to switch off the device. In fact, it doesn't have to be so much that it detects the voltage after connecting it, because it could be that the person connecting it presses a button indicating that they have switched the device on. The main thing is not to set a time after which the power should be cut off (as is the case with programmers).
    If anyone has any ideas, I would be grateful if they could share them with us
  • #9 16083634
    kosmos99
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    If you have a control panel, such as Satel's Integra, this can be done.
  • #10 16084528
    kortyleski
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    A simple timer will do since there can be a button to start the countdown. Except that it's the module itself and you can't do the rest. Maybe you should have someone do it for you, because there is no ready-made solution...
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    #11 16084599
    ttoip
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    on a well-known auction site you will find a device called "countdown timer" at a cost of about 40.00PLN in a very simple way to set the time from 15 minutes to 4 hours, I personally use it and am very satisfied.
    Best regards
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  • #12 16085589
    firanka15
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    This is exactly what I had in mind. Could you also tell me whether this device sets itself every time or whether it has the option of remembering the set time after disconnection from a contact, e.g. via an internal power supply?
  • #13 16085635
    ttoip
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    unfortunately every time :( the device has two modes of operation
    1- switching off the power after the set time.
    2- power on after the selected time .
    times available: 15 min , 30 min . 1h , 2h and 4h , I use it to switch off the electric heater in the bathroom. I was looking for a long time for something that met my expectations and I came across this. I am writing about a device for 39,90 PLN.
    best regards
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  • #14 16089067
    DJ MHz
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    There are 230V sockets with pins that short-circuit the NO/NO contact when plugged in, to which you add a time relay and you're done.
  • #15 20120784
    webster500
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    Hello, I am looking for an electrical outlet that can start a second appliance at the same time as the first one is started and turn it off together when the first one stops working
  • #16 20121192
    kosmos99
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    Just feed the latter from the former ;-)
  • #17 20121639
    webster500
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    Yes, I know, but the problem is that the first device is under warranty and I don't want to interfere with it while it is still under warranty

    Added after 11 [minutes]:

    Namely, it is so I have a grinder which is connected to the hoover and when I start it at the same time starts the hoover and the matter is that I have 2 other industrial hoovers without this function can they be adapted for such a way of operation grinder I do not touch because it is under warranty
  • #18 20123659
    pafciowaw
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    As previously proposed: a supervisory relay
    where the power supply to the first socket - via the measuring path of the relay; and the power supply to the second socket via its contacts.
  • #20 20123852
    pafciowaw
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    The aforementioned - is a simple inlet relay....
    If you want to attach a second socket to the hoover (if the first one will "draw current" from the grinder) - you need to use a current or priority relay as a logic component:
    https://www.fif.com.pl/pl/przekazniki-pradowe/324-przekaznik-pradowy-epp-619.html
    https://www.fif.com.pl/pl/przekazniki-priorytetowe/200-przekaznik-priorytetowy-pr-613.html
    Of course, it's all about the principle of operation - look at the wiring diagrams and allowable contact loads.
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