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Installation of Switchgear Valuation: Assessing Fair Pricing for Mounted Cameras & Limiters

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Is PLN 600 a fair price for mounting and wiring the customer’s switchboard?

PLN 600 net is a fair price, and several replies say PLN 480 is too low for this kind of work [#16199058][#16199500] One reply notes that even for a simple modular switchboard the labor items from KNR already land around the PLN 491 range, so 600 is close enough [#16198254] Others point out that if the job also includes circuit identification, layout/grouping on the RCD, device selection, surge-protection analysis, markings, and later measurements/protocol, then the scope is broader than simple mounting and the price should be higher, not lower [#16198443][#16199058] For a switchboard with several RCDs and a mains-generator switch, one answer says PLN 800 net plus material can also be justified [#16199500]
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  • #31 16200174
    anet870
    Level 26  
    In my opinion, it is PLN 10 for a net module. I include travel costs in the assembly price, no matter if I shoot Topex or Erko. Due to the fact that the switchgear is made in a residential house, it often misses the design, so you have to determine what will be installed and take responsibility for it. The price matches whether I do it or not. The ribbon for the printer also costs, but if you want to do it aesthetically, you have to incur such costs and the reputation will work for the next job. Why does 1-0-2 switch not disconnect neutral?
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  • #32 16200185
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics
    So, as I wrote, about PLN 600 net. This price is still low, but still acceptable.
  • #33 16200474
    djlukas
    Level 27  
    Gentlemen, the scope of work included:
    1. Arriving at the construction site and talking to the client about stretched circuits and expectations (all additional cables are provided by the client on his own).
    Checking if the circuits are well planned, The concept of making the earth electrode because, of course, there is no, suggestion to add a circuit to the recuperator, air conditioner as they should be, suggestion to add a conduit from the switchgear under the roof because there is to be a photovoltaic, power supply from the aggregate, added circuit from the alarm control panel to the switchgear for subsequent expansion with automation.
    Time 2.5 hours
    2. Selection of equipment, assembly planning, access to the warehouse for the equipment. Time 3hrs
    3. Insertion and binding (35 pcs.) Of cables to the switchgear, installation of accessories, Overvoltage of the power supply from the building block to the switchgear, description of the circuits. Time 12hrs
    mawerix123 wrote:
    Where is the PEN cable marking, its cross-section is also questionable, but it's not your fault.

    Markings will be at the end. The PEN cross-section is 10mm2.
    mawerix123 wrote:
    About this switch and connecting the aggregate to the network has already been sufficiently written in the thread of its selection, conclusions have not been drawn.

    Yes, the conclusions were drawn after reading the link of my colleague kkas12.
    elpapiotr wrote:
    Buddy djlukas - here's a mistake:


    As for the number of wires for one clamp, they are clamped in a sleeve. These are the cables for individual shutters. There is to be a satellite output module next to it and unfortunately there would not be enough space for ZUG.
    Łukasz-O wrote:
    And the SVN129 controls do not require back-up?

    They will have a back-up with 6A glass fuses on the wires. I have a lot of fuse sockets for a cord at home, so I will use them instead of wasting space for another module.
    mawerix123 wrote:
    How much do you have to take for these thirty-few modules and a half-day of work, because I think I'm doing half-free

    My friend, next time I will order you to do such a job for half a day and we will see if you will make it. At the beginning of the hour I wrote what it took me roughly.

    Ps. I thought I said too little and here I can see that what some would do for half the price, unfortunately I did not. The receipt (measurements + protocol) will be made at a later date, additionally payable.
  • #34 16200501
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    Quote:
    Buddy, next time I will order you to do such a job for half a day and we will see if you will make it. At the beginning of the hour I wrote what it took me more or less.
    You did not write.
    This is your second post on the topic, and only now did you deign to mention it.
    Quote:
    As for the number of wires for one clamp, they are clamped in a sleeve. These are the cables for individual shutters. There is to be a satellite output module next to it and unfortunately there would not be enough space for ZUG.
    It's probably some special sleeve. For the wire.
  • #35 16200572
    djlukas
    Level 27  
    elpapiotr wrote:

    Quote:
    As for the number of wires for one clamp, they are clamped in a sleeve. These are the cables for individual shutters. There is to be a satellite output module next to it and unfortunately there would not be enough space for ZUG.
    It's probably some special sleeve. For the wire.

    These are 5x1mm2 ohm cables (separately for each roller shutter) twisted together and clamped in a sleeve.
  • #36 16200574
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    And what is the minimum cross-section of permanently installed cables?
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  • #37 16200603
    djlukas
    Level 27  
    elpapiotr wrote:
    And what is the minimum cross-section of permanently installed cables?

    The owner was also informed about it. Unfortunately, as long as there are "fools" working in electrical wholesalers, we will have such effects. He was advised to do this by the wholesaler.
  • #38 16200650
    masonry
    Level 30  
    My colleagues who thought that the job consisted only in connecting the E-pin and screwing the prepared wires to the clamp were disappointed :)
    With this scope of work, the PLN 600 is definitely not enough.
  • #39 16200679
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    masonry wrote:
    My colleagues who thought that the job consisted only in connecting the E-pin and screwing the prepared wires to the clamp were disappointed :)
    With this scope of work, the PLN 600 is definitely not enough.

    Yes, they disappointed. The more that the author is very economical with information.
    He dropped the topic ... and waited.
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  • #40 16200759
    djlukas
    Level 27  
    elpapiotr wrote:
    masonry wrote:
    My colleagues who thought that the job consisted only in connecting the E-pin and screwing the prepared wires to the clamp were disappointed
    With this scope of work, the PLN 600 is definitely not enough.

    Yes, they disappointed. The more that the author is very economical with information.


    I improved on the next post.
    elpapiotr wrote:
    He dropped the topic ... and waited.

    Unfortunately, my friend Elpapiotr, I am not a retired electrician yet and I do not have as much time as some here, just to sit on the forum and write. As soon as I have the opportunity to write it back.
  • #41 16200772
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    djlukas wrote:
    Gentlemen, the scope of work included:
    1. Arriving at the construction site and talking to the client about stretched circuits and expectations (all additional cables are provided by the client on his own).
    Checking if the circuits are well planned, The concept of making the earth electrode because, of course, there is no, suggestion to add a circuit to the recuperator, air conditioner as they should be, suggestion to add a conduit from the switchgear under the roof because there is to be a photovoltaic, power supply from the aggregate, added circuit from the alarm control panel to the switchgear for subsequent expansion with automation.
    Time 2.5 hours
    2. Selection of equipment, assembly planning, access to the warehouse for the equipment. Time 3hrs
    3. Insertion and binding (35 pcs.) Of cables to the switchgear, installation of accessories, Overvoltage of the power supply from the building block to the switchgear, description of the circuits. Time 12hrs


    At the beginning, it was about lining the switchgear

    quote from post # 1

    djlukas wrote:
    I sewed the client only the switchgear (it was mounted).
    I have selected the cameras according to the number of circuits, I figured, and the description of the switches will be using the yellow tape from the brother printer.


    For how a few colleagues added projects, measurements, protocols and responsibilities

    djlukas wrote:
    The receipt (measurements + protocol) will be made at a later date, additionally payable.


    So from this 600 net one would have to subtract the above point, but the author provided a greater amount of information about the scope of works, which completely changes the valuation of the work.
  • #42 16200776
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    djlukas wrote:
    Unfortunately, my friend Elpapiotr, I am not a retired electrician yet and I do not have as much time as some here, just to sit on the forum and write. As soon as I have the opportunity to write it back

    Bad luck meant that this year I had a little less work than in the previous years, and last year's ... had an impact on my health,
    or rather the endurance of the spine, which is why I sit there and ... write.
  • #43 16200820
    kozi966
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Either we come back to the topic or I close the topic, because it does not make any sense to switch between those who are more right.
    The next post, which will refer to the scuffle attempts, will be handled accordingly.
  • #44 16200836
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    There is no scuffle. We explain and clarify the issue :P
  • #45 16200841
    kozi966
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    elpapiotr wrote:
    There is no scuffle. We explain and clarify the issue

    I'm just keeping order ;)
  • #46 16201013
    Darom
    Electrician specialist
    If I can do something from myself. According to the first posts by a friend of djlukas - that is, only the covering of the switchboard is PLN 600, it was rather ok.
    After updating the scope of work (post # 33) - I would not do it for PLN 600, unless I was forced by the situation.

    kisses
    - GIFT-
  • #47 16201110
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    Darom wrote:
    After updating the scope of work (post # 33) - I would not do it for PLN 600,
    There was no update of the works.
    Everything was included in the theme post.
    My colleague Djukas in # 33 did not add anything.
    elpapiotr wrote:
    masonry wrote:
    My colleagues who thought that the job consisted only in connecting the E-pin and screwing the prepared wires to the clamp were disappointed :)
    With this scope of work, the PLN 600 is definitely not enough.

    Yes, they disappointed. The more that the author is very economical with information.
    He dropped the topic ... and waited.
    I am not disappointed. I wrote everything in post # 10 and # 14.
    Apparently, my friend Elpapiotr has experience?
    All information was in topic post # 1.
    My colleague Djukas has not added anything at the moment.

    When someone is doing works, he does not need an operational plan with a breakdown of the works and costs of individual works necessary to complete the service.
    kozi966 wrote:
    If the customer accepts the price and you are satisfied with it, you can present him the price.
    Exactly.
  • #48 16201420
    djlukas
    Level 27  
    Of course I would rather get much more and this is the minimum price that satisfies me. Initially, I agreed on the price of PLN 10 for each occupied space with the width of one module. I will let you know if the client had any doubts about payment.
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  • #49 16201693
    kozi966
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    At the author's request, I will open it.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the valuation of installation work for switchgear, specifically regarding the pricing of mounted cameras and limiters. The original poster seeks advice on whether a price of PLN 600 is fair for the services rendered, which include installation, wiring, and circuit identification. Responses vary, with some suggesting a lower price of PLN 480 based on standard rates, while others argue that PLN 600 is reasonable given the complexity of the work involved, including project planning and equipment selection. The conversation highlights the importance of considering the scope of work, market conditions, and the value of professional expertise in pricing electrical installations.
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FAQ

TL;DR: A 35-module residential switchboard usually costs 480-600 PLN net, or about 14.30–16.20 PLN per rg labour [Elektroda, masonry, post #16199881] “The job is worth much more than PLN 600” [Elektroda, CYRUS2, post #16198443] Use KNR 5-08 tables for exact counts. Why it matters: clear pricing prevents under-quoting and liability disputes.

Quick Facts

• Modular device install: 0.18–0.34 rg per pole (KNR 5-08-0407) [Elektroda, elpapiotr, post #16198248] • Labour rate: 14.30–16.20 PLN per rg in 2023 tenders [Elektroda, masonry, post #16199881] • KNNR 9 0201-04 enclosure >0.5 m² replacement: 491.37 PLN [Elektroda, kozi966, post #16198254] • Consensus price for 35-module board with extras: 480-600 PLN net [Elektroda, mawerix123, #16198225; Łukasz-O, #16200185] • Minimum fixed wiring conductor: 1.5 mm² Cu or 2.5 mm² Al [IEC 60364-5-52]

What is a fair labour price for wiring a 35-module residential switchboard?

Forum electricians settled on 480-600 PLN net for 35 modules, including device selection and circuit labelling [Elektroda, mawerix123, #16198225; Łukasz-O, #16200185]. At the mid-range labour rate (15 PLN/rg) this equals about 34-40 rg.

Does selecting breakers and surge arresters count as design work?

Yes. Choosing devices without a supplied project places design responsibility on the installer, including surge analysis and circuit grouping [Elektroda, CYRUS2, post #16198443]

How many working hours does the job require?

Author logged 2.5 h consultation, 3 h material pickup and 12 h wiring—about 17.5 h total [Elektroda, djlukas, post #16200474] At 600 PLN that equals ~34 PLN/h.

What is the minimum conductor cross-section for fixed wiring?

Standards set 1.5 mm² Cu (lighting) and 2.5 mm² Cu (socket circuits). Using 1 mm², as suggested by a wholesaler, violates IEC 60364-5-52 and may void insurance coverage.

Why must the PEN conductor be marked and sized correctly?

Incorrect PEN marking or undersizing can leave exposed-metal parts live during faults. Posts flagged missing PEN identification and cross-section concerns [Elektroda, mawerix123, post #16198225]

When is it necessary to switch the neutral in a generator change-over?

Neutral switching is required when the generator is a separately-earthed source. Forum users questioned why the 1-0-2 switch shown did not break N [Elektroda, Łukasz-O, post #16198744]

What documents should accompany hand-over?

Provide insulation resistance tests, loop impedance (IPZ), surge protection report and an as-built diagram. These are chargeable extras separate from assembly [Elektroda, mawerix123, post #16199478]

How can I present a transparent quote?

  1. List labour in rg with KNR references.
  2. Add travel, design, and test items.
  3. State net price and VAT separately. “If the customer accepts the price and you are satisfied, present it” [Elektroda, kozi966, post #16198254]

Quick 3-step how-to: calculating price from KNR

  1. Count each device: 20×1-pole, 10×2-pole RCD, 5×3-pole, etc.
  2. Multiply by rg factors (0.18; 0.22; 0.26).
  3. Sum rg, multiply by 15 PLN, add overheads. This yields a documented, defensible quote.

Edge case: what if the enclosure area exceeds 0.5 m²?

KNNR 9 0201-04 treats it as a large housing replacement, rated 491.37 PLN before labour multipliers [Elektroda, kozi966, post #16198254] Larger cabinets also raise installation time and may require two technicians.

Is per-module pricing acceptable?

Yes. The author charged 10 PLN per occupied 18-mm slot, aligning with 35 modules ×10 PLN = 350 PLN base plus travel and design, reaching ~600 PLN net [Elektroda, djlukas, post #16201420]
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