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[Solved] How do I reduce the voltage of the 24 V AC power supply for Rain Bird solenoid valves?

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  • #1 16602137
    cP1us
    Level 9  
    Hello,
    I have made a system for home automation on Openhab + Raspberry PI, the first thing I would like to hook up is the irrigation system and I have a problem with the voltage that goes from the relays to the electro-valves. The solenoid valves I have (from Rain Bird) need 24 volts AC. I have the original power supply that powered the old Hunter 24 V AC (1A) controller, however, when connected to the relays it gives 27.1 V (no load) and 26.7 V (with one watering valve on).

    1 I tried to lower the voltage with a voltage divider at my place it comes out around 60 Ohm and gets this 24 V AC but unfortunately the potentiometer (I had a 10k Ohm max potentiometer) burns out (at 60 Ohm it is still stable but after 2 min the temperature rises a bit and the resistance goes up a lot). As this resistance is b. small, and I used the potentiometer as a resistor for this purpose, will a normal resistor burn? Or is there some circuit to stabilise the AC voltage? ( as far as I know the max current of 1 valve is 0,6 A)

    The most convenient way would be to buy a 24V AC stabilised power supply, but I can't find one (the power supplies I can find are unstabilised, so probably the transformer itself, so the situation will be similar)

    3 I've disassembled the original Hunter controller and there the voltage is rectified, then the L7824CV stabilizer stabilizes 24 V DC and then probably somehow the voltage is converted to AC again. A bit of a lot of soldering, hopefully it can be made simpler.

    4 I also bought a transformer for 230V -> 24 V but it too gives a higher voltage (27,5 V) when loaded (one valve on). If the output voltage of the transformer depends on the resistance of the circuit, are there any parameters of the transformer that would help me choose the right one (so that the output is 24 V)

    I would still like to add that due to the project, this power supply / transformer has to run continuously 24/7

    I am interested in the simplest option, I can spend a little more money on a better power supply
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  • #2 16602189
    daro31ie
    Automation specialist
    cP1us wrote:
    Hello,
    I have made a system for home automation on Openhab + Raspberry PI, the first thing I would like to hook up is an irrigation system and I have a problem with the voltage that goes from the relays to the electro-valves. The solenoid valves I have (from Rain Bird) need 24 volts AC. I have the original power supply that powered the old Hunter 24 V AC (1A) controller, however, when connected to the relays it gives 27.1 V (no load) and 26.7 V (with one watering valve on).

    1 I tried to lower the voltage with a voltage divider at my place it comes out around 60 Ohm and gets this 24 V AC but unfortunately the potentiometer (I had a 10k Ohm max potentiometer) burns out (at 60 Ohm it is still stable but after 2 min the temperature rises a bit and the resistance goes up a lot). As this resistance is b. small, and I used the potentiometer as a resistor for this purpose, will a normal resistor burn? Or is there some circuit to stabilise the AC voltage? ( as far as I know the max current of 1 valve is 0,6 A)

    The most convenient way would be to buy a 24V AC stabilised power supply, but I can't find one (the power supplies I can find are unstabilised, so probably the transformer itself, so the situation will be similar)

    3 I've disassembled the original Hunter controller and there the voltage is rectified, then the L7824CV stabilizer stabilizes 24 V DC and then probably somehow the voltage is converted to AC again. A bit of a lot of soldering, hopefully it can be made simpler.

    4 I also bought a transformer for 230V -> 24 V but it too gives a higher voltage (27,5 V) when loaded (one valve on). If the output voltage of the transformer depends on the resistance of the circuit, are there any parameters of the transformer that would help me choose the right one (so that the output is 24 V)

    I would still like to add that due to the project, this power supply / transformer has to run continuously 24/7

    I am interested in the simplest option, I can spend a little more money on a better power supply
    .

    The simplest version is mate leave it as it is.
    For a 24VAC coil you really don't mind 27VAC
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  • #3 16602263
    cP1us
    Level 9  
    But won't that make a difference to the life of the irrigation system? I would prefer to lower this to 24 VAC as at 27 VAC currently my sprinklers are spinning a bit fast (the rotary ones) and the range of water pouring is much greater (which has upset my irrigation a bit as it waters the house in some places). I still found a potentiometer and higher power resistors to use in the voltage divider. I'm just asking for confirmation that my calculations are good with the power selection:

    Currently V_wy = 27 V, power supply 1A so I need to correct the voltage on the divider by 3 V to 24 V. So the minimum power of the potentiometer / resistor should be 3V * 1A = 3 W.

    Unless someone has a better idea then please feel free to make a suggestion
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  • #4 16603148
    pafciowaw
    Automation specialist
    The voltage on the irrigation valve solenoid has nothing to do with the force with which the water flows out of the sprinkler - it's the domain of water pressure - it's higher than before - it spins the sprinkler tip faster and the water flies a farther distance.
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  • #5 16604312
    cP1us
    Level 9  
    I know this. at 24 volts the solenoid valve probably opens up to a part, and at 27 volts it already opens all the way.... the problem however is different... how to achieve this 24V because 27V is too much for me (it disrupts the system)
  • #6 16610482
    cP1us
    Level 9  
    ok solved, I bought a 100 Ohm 5W potentiometer, a bit big but luckily it fit in the box and I used it as a resistor
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