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  • #31 17626008
    zgierzman
    Level 31  
    sundayman wrote:
    I am writing this as the owner of several 3D printers. These are very useful tools but it's worth using them to make something you can't buy for a few quid.
    LA72 wrote:
    In summary, in my opinion, a 3D printer is most suitable for making prototypes, single copies, something unique.
    janjjw wrote:
    from what you write, there is one simple conclusion:
    a 3D printer is just a toy with severely limited utility.


    Do you even read what others have written or do you take everything as a personal attack?

    The printer is indispensable when you want to make something you can't buy - parts for some of your construction, prototypes, or when, for example, you are repairing some thing and you need to replace a damaged plastic part that you can no longer get on the market.

    Making things that are readily available and cheap is a waste of effort and resources.
    Print out a set of cutlery and ask yourself if it was worth it. And after all, you will learn a lot from the spoon project.... ;-)
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  • #32 17626304
    szeryf3
    Level 29  
    If you're going to do a design and then print it, maybe you could do something very similar to matchboxes.
    It's always a kind of sentiment.
    Besides, almost all of us started with them.
  • #33 17626319
    zybex
    Helpful for users
    Even Zener diodes can be sorted this way.

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  • #34 17626557
    KaMaS
    Level 11  
    Welcome,

    I agree with the previous speakers. Of course - everything can be printed just there is not always a point, because you can buy a ready-made one and spend time printing something more personalized. E.g. a case. You design it, take it out of the printer and everything fits. And you can't buy something like that anymore.

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  • #35 17626818
    janjjw
    Level 11  
    Gentlemen !
    Is it so difficult to take a measuring tape in your hand and check that such small drawers are NOT BUYING ?!!. Yes, there are all sorts of boxes and drawers but they are much larger. My boxes hold the entire E48 series in 218X105x239. Look for something like this in the shops. I bet dollars against nuts that you won't find one.
    JanJJW greetings
  • #36 17628225
    22
    Level 10  
    Cool idea, just a question if it is profitable? Being a young electronics engineer myself, I had a problem with components arriving, I combined from a box and after matches, which I still have and use. The organisers available in the markets are not cost-effective because you pay 30zl for 10pcs, this is definitely not enough, buying several such organisers is not worth it. For more than 100zl. You can buy something better on a well-known auction site.
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  • #37 17628270
    szeryf3
    Level 29  
    How about starting to upload photos with your matchbox bookcases?
  • #38 17628968
    zybex
    Helpful for users
    Boxes bought from a fishing shop used to work very well. You could choose the right one for yourself. I even have a dental drill container with lots of compartments and two levels. Also, boxes of sewing machine accessories.
    Lately, however, I have taken a liking to string bags and I keep resistors (the 0.125W ones) in them. I have them arranged by resistance starting with less than 1Ω and ending with several MΩ.
  • #39 17629143
    Hetii
    Level 17  
    And I'm still considering whether to commission PCB drawers like this.

    Sketch as below, i.e. e.g. 3 x different SMD sizes + 2xTHT.

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    I wonder what the cost would be if a larger batch was commissioned.
  • #40 17629181
    LA72
    Level 41  
    Hetii wrote:
    And I am still considering whether to have such drawers made from PCB.

    Sketch as below, i.e. e.g. 3 x different SMD sizes + 2xTHT.

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    I wonder what the cost would be if a larger batch was commissioned.


    Last year I went wild and got myself some containers for SMD components.
    Less than $3 a piece.
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    I keep the THT resistors and capacitors in pods, as someone mentioned above.
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  • #41 17632391
    sundayman
    Level 26  
    I will show you what 3D printing can and should be used for.

    Here is a special test connector. As you can see, there are 14 pin contacts that are normally hidden in the connector. Each pin is, of course, connected by a flexible copper wire to the PCB on the back, from which a coloured ribbon cable comes out.

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    When the 'handle' visible at the top is turned, the contacts are pulled outwards (each contact has a separate pressure by means of a miniature spring located behind the contact heads).

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    What is such a toy for ?

    There are a considerable number of PCBs with screw connectors. These PCBs need to be tested.
    Of course you can screw the cables in by hand, then unscrew them.
    But for a larger number this becomes cumbersome.

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    So we take this printed dynx and apply it to the connector group:

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    we rotate the handle and the contacts connect to the inner parts of the screw connectors;

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    Tada ! We have a connection to the PCB in 3 sec.
    Usually test needles, for example, are used for such things - but in this case it was a PCB inside an enclosure, where this cannot be done.
    And unfortunately this PCB does not have a properly designed test connector.

    How much work would it have taken to make such a dyno without a 3D printer ?

    Another example ;

    You need to make a faceplate for the device, with holes for controls, switches, etc.
    The housing is made of plastic, unusual. You can of course have it cut out of ALU.
    But it is also possible to print a ready-made board with matching holes ;

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    insert into the housing ;

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    And we have the housing ready ;

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    Mounting piece needed for something with the right holes ?

    Here you go :

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    I could give lots of examples like this - but in general : I would find it hard today without a 3D printer. Sometimes I need to make 1 part, sometimes 100. But I make things dedicated to something, not dupe things you can buy for a few zlotys.

    It's a bit like if you wanted to buy a normal printer and print books on it. Is it possible? Yes - but what for? It will be at a similar or higher price than from a bookshop, but it will last much longer.

    It is different if you want to print your own poems - oh, then it makes sense.
    Even if it's just graphomania :)
  • #42 17632594
    etet
    Level 15  
    Deviating a bit from the topic (although still less than others) I would like to ask if anyone has tried to make containers that can be clipped into a binder. I would like to put 3 layers of containers in such a binder like "75*31.5*21mm SMD SMT Storage Mini Parts Electronic Tool Practical Jewellery Storage Case High Quality". I tried to print something similar on a 3d printer but after wasting several kg of filament (and many hours) I gave up. And I would have loved such an option in a binder.
  • #43 17633993
    sundayman
    Level 26  
    Quote:
    hasn't someone tried to make bindable containers


    Of course you could print yourself all sorts of containers, even quite precise ones. Only you would have to use SLA printers, which are more precise. Plus, of course, the right resins. And it can be done. It will of course be more expensive than the ready-made ones you can buy, but that's what I've already written....
    When will you understand that it will never be cheaper to print from a printer than a mass-produced part from an injection moulding machine ?
  • #44 17634805
    zdzis_ek
    Level 18  
    An alternative to SMD chip collection.
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  • #45 17634872
    Slawek K.
    Level 35  
    sundayman wrote:
    Quote:
    hasn't someone tried to make binnable containers


    Of course you could print yourself all sorts of containers, even quite precise ones. Only you would have to use an SLA printer, which are more precise. Plus, of course, the right resins. And it can be done. It will of course be more expensive than the ready-made ones you can buy, but that's what I've already written....
    When will you understand that it will never be cheaper to print from a printer than a mass produced part from an injection moulding machine ?

    It's not always just about price, that's also mentioned in this thread. There are things you can't buy and that's when a printer comes in handy, such as the post of a colleague a little above. And I suggest you understand this.

    Greetings
  • #47 17635181
    etet
    Level 15  
    sundayman wrote:
    Quote:
    hasn't someone tried to make binnable containers


    When will you understand that it will never be cheaper to print from a printer than a mass-produced component from an injection moulding machine ?


    Then when you realise that what I need is not found anywhere. And as far as the possibilities of this technology are concerned, I already have a picture (as far as my printer is concerned, anyway). And the author of the topic will probably convince himself that it all looks beautiful only in theory. Printed houses, printed cars, printed human organs.... and then a hard collision with reality, when you spend 10 hours printing just a bullshit and once again something is wrong.

    Anyway, I'm still looking for such bins for my binder. I'd show you what I've managed to get after some hard battles but I just recently got rid of it.
  • #48 17635242
    noel200
    Level 27  
    I myself was the first to write that printed components are more expensive than mass-produced ones. But that was a statement of fact for those who, for example, do not have a printer.
    Arguing that printing these drawers is not worth it doesn't make the slightest sense. For some it doesn't make sense, for others it does. What someone will print for themselves and whether it is worth it is their private matter. You don't want to, don't print.
    A job from a moment ago. Locking the emt707 programmer buttons in front of my little one:
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  • #49 17643447
    j570
    Level 14  
    I like the containers. What did you design in, as I may have overlooked. A hobby is always about spending money, so discussions about profitability are pointless. Knowledge acquired through such activities - sometimes priceless.
  • #50 17644432
    romulus73
    Level 28  
    Xaveri wrote:
    I'm just stating the fact that it's not worth it to print this - body about 14h of printing, drawer (one) 40 minutes (nozzle 0,4mm, layer 0,24mm thick, printing speed about 55-60mm/s).
    A body of 194g of the cheapest plastic at 50pln per kilo gives 9,70pln + 16x10g = 8,00pln. Total 17,70pln,and still electricity...

    I print my containers, and why do you use a 0.4 nozzle, such things are at least 0.8 x 0.88x 0.4 high. Then why do you need a printer
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  • #51 17650490
    Super_technik
    Level 15  
    The printer is only suitable for 2 things: prototypes or play.
    Such an organiser is very cheap and available off-the-shelf. It takes tens of hours to print 20 drawers and this makes no sense at all.
    I praise the author for wanting to do this.
  • #52 17650713
    romulus73
    Level 28  
    Sorry but you're wrong, it's not always about the cash.
    Don't buy what you need, then show a bought enclosure that fits your design.
    Example of printing time for one drawer
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    36 minutes to print one with a 0.6 nozzle and you can 1.0 with such a nozzle will come out with 15 minutes, you won't even have a coffee.
    Show how you make such a housing, or how you make parts or tools. E.g., clutches, printer is a hobby
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    This enclosure printed 4h but there are mounting holes at 160x160x70h after printing I just screwed in the screws.I designed for 40minutes but as the eye is happy....
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    It's so much fun I'm building a second printer for a 0.2 nozzle you won't even see the seams
    noel200 mate is right Those who don't have one don't understand, I recently made a whole mounting system for a GoPro sports camera conforming to the factory size, obviously on a Thing inserted. But if you don't have a printer you don't understand the limitations of your projects.
    Only time is always short.
  • #53 17650813
    Krzysiek27
    Level 13  
    Colleague Zdzis_ek's idea of containers from Tic tacs is great :D , I came up with it too :D , only I'm just starting the collection. 3 pcs :D :D :D :D

    I don't know how long these containers last, but you probably need to avoid the sun.
    The PS plastic ones are probably the best because they have thicker walls.

    Leaving aside the already unhealthy contents. Collecting these containers is by the way. Pulling out a single piece can actually be a hassle, which is why I was thinking of removing the top. So that you can dump freely.
    I use bags. But they get perforated after a while.

    Moderated By Marek_Skalski:

    I have merged the two posts.

  • #54 17657822
    Super_technik
    Level 15  
    romulus73 wrote:
    36 minutes print with one 0.6 nozzle and you can 1.0 with such a nozzle comes out with 15 minutes

    I have a 0.4 nozzle fitted and here the time is correspondingly longer.
    That it is possible is beyond doubt, but that it is economically unviable is the other side of the coin.
  • #55 17658105
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #56 17667587
    jamtex
    Level 23  
    The topic ran from design to the usability of 3D printers.
    Well, if I make boxes I usually cut them out with a laser - cutting out one box (a typical drawer), is a time of about 30 seconds.
    For 3D printing, it will already be a time counted in at least tens of minutes and maybe an hour or more, at a relatively higher cost.
    3D printing as much as possible for:
    - prototypes
    - parts difficult to make at home (e.g. gears)
    - non-standard (no longer available for sale) components, etc

    A nice exercise for the topic founder in 3D design. I recommend further "fun" and experimentation. :)

    And here is an example of how 3D printing (Zortrax M200) is both useful and usable and of quite good quality (Anet A8 extruder):

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  • #57 17667695
    elektronik2018
    Level 11  
    3D printing is a technology from outer space for us, despite the fact that anyone can actually have it at home. However, not everyone understands the need and profitability of such an investment, and until they do, they won't buy into it, which means it will continue to be some totally distant galaxy for us. Topics such as this one show that 3D printing is a future worth investing in or at least paying attention to, and that it is needed. Greetings :)
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