[Solved] Best Router for SIM Card: Improve Connection with Multiple Devices in 200sqm Home (LTE)

Hello, I'm green in this topic, so I'm asking for advice. I have internet for a SIM card from Orange, a small cube for wireless connection to the internet. The connection is dropping all the time, you have to restart it forever, etc. In Orange I was told that it is too weak a device to support multiple devices at once and it is more suitable for traveling than for using the Internet at home. When my sister is alone, apparently the internet works fine for her (she only has a computer, phone and watch connected), and when I come home, a computer, two phones, a watch, a printer, a tablet start and problems begin. In the Orange showroom, I was recommended to buy a good router and wanted to ask what I should choose.

In my place of residence, it catches LTE internet, the house is two-storey, with an area of over 200 square meters, reinforced concrete ceilings, and it must catch in the basement and on both floors.

A router up to PLN 500 would suit me, but if you know one worth more money, I am asking for suggestions. There is a lot of it on Allegro, I have read guides on what to pay attention to, but there is such a choice that I do not know what to choose.

I have been using Huawei B525 from T-Mobile for 2-3 years. It works as a router on the home network and does a great job.

What is the location? What is the MiFi mobile router? What problems do you have with it, is it a question of supporting devices via WiFi or LTE connection? What they say in the Orange showroom does not matter, they do not know what they are saying. You should first perform LTE Orange tests, check which BTS NetWorks you are using, on which LTE band, what are the signal parameters on it. Do speed tests. On this basis, an LTE router and a possible external antenna are selected.
If it is a problem with WiFi, you should do range tests at home, measure the WiFi signal parameters at critical points. The general rule is that stationary devices are connected via LAN cable to the router, and portable via WiFi. The MIFi you have (what?) Does not have LAN ports and after WiFi will support 10 devices, it is generally not dedicated to work 24/7 as a stationary router. His choice was a mega-mistake, but the consultants from the Orange salon sold it to you. There is no chance to cover a house like yours with one stationary router, you need an additional AP for the LTE router connected to the LAN with a cable. Preferably one AP per floor.

ArturAVS wrote:

I have been using Huawei B525 from T-Mobile for 2-3 years. It works as a router on the home network and does a great job.

This is one of the two I have an eye on, and I was just wondering about it. It costs PLN 529.

matek451 wrote:

What is the location? What is the MiFi mobile router? What problems do you have with it, is it a question of supporting devices via WiFi or LTE connection? What they say in the Orange showroom does not matter, they do not know what they are saying. You should first perform LTE Orange tests, check which BTS NetWorks you are using, on which LTE band, what are the signal parameters on it. Do speed tests. On this basis, an LTE router and a possible external antenna are selected.
If it is a problem with WiFi, you should do range tests at home, measure the WiFi signal parameters at critical points. The general rule is that stationary devices are connected via LAN cable to the router, and portable via WiFi. The MIFi you have (what?) Does not have LAN ports and after WiFi will support 10 devices, it is generally not dedicated to work 24/7 as a stationary router. His choice was a mega-mistake, but the consultants from the Orange salon sold it to you. There is no chance to cover a house like yours with one stationary router, you need an additional AP for the LTE router connected to the LAN with a cable. Preferably one AP per floor.

I just know that. salons know nothing, so I wanted to ask. I use it in the city of Kluczbork, the coverage of each operator is good in my city. I am using Orange Airbox LTE
The problem is that a million times a day he disconnects when looking at the wifi icon as if it is connected, but the dropbox icon turns off and the internet disappears. This is how I recognize that it has crashed. It takes many minutes, usually I can't stand it and go to restart it, sometimes you have to do it several times and then it's ok, but not for long, because the situation repeats itself many times a day. The internet is disappearing on all devices, so it's not a device issue, it's a connectivity issue I guess.
I don't have any stationary devices, I need wireless internet for everything. You are right with this device of mine, it is not dedicated to 24/7 work, and unfortunately this is how we use it.
I don't know how to find out what you described and do these tests. Could you please write me how to make them? What if I bought a router downstairs sister had this device upstairs we have now, we would take a second SIM and sort it out somehow? Is a router a good idea for every floor?

You have the worst possible crap, i.e. the Alcatel MW40, a mobile router without signal diagnostics, without the possibility of choosing the LTE band and without external antenna connectors, not useful for LTE signal diagnostics.
First, put the Orange card into the LTE Anfroid phone with the application https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfolite&hl=pl and show the Indicator tab, make a DL / UL speedtest and show result. Orange is not a dream operator in Kluczbork, the NetWorks network is as thin as ever, 4 BTS with bare LTE1800NetWorks is a misunderstanding. From the assumption, there is no need to count on much. Well, PLN 529 for the B525 is 2x too expensive. What is the street in Kluczbork?

matek451 wrote:

You have the worst possible crap, i.e. the Alcatel MW40, a mobile router without signal diagnostics, without the possibility of choosing the LTE band and without external antenna connectors, not useful for LTE signal diagnostics.
First, put the Orange card into the LTE Anfroid phone with the application https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wilysis.cellinfolite&hl=pl and show the Indicator tab, make a DL / UL speedtest and show result. Orange is not a dream operator in Kluczbork, the NetWorks network is as thin as ever, 4 BTS with bare LTE1800NetWorks is a misunderstanding. From the assumption, there is no need to count on much. Well, PLN 529 for the B525 is 2x too expensive. What is the street in Kluczbork?

This is Kilińskiego Street, so probably even worse. I will try to do this test as soon as possible and upload the results.

The nearest BTS NetWorks at Kościuszki 33, LTE1800NW on it, i.e. common 15MHz band for Orange and T-Mobile customers and 3G Orange on UMTS2100HSPA + DC (may be faster than LTE1800NW). The same BTS at the Stobrawa hotel. But the tests are the key anyway.

matek451 wrote:

The nearest BTS NetWorks at Kościuszki 33, LTE1800NW on it, i.e. common 15MHz band for Orange and T-Mobile customers and 3G Orange on UMTS2100HSPA + DC (may be faster than LTE1800NW). The same BTS at the Stobrawa hotel. But the tests are the key anyway.

Here are the test results (I hope I did them well):

The test showed aggregation of LTE bands from BTS at the Stobrawa hotel as the LTE800 baseband and aggregation with some other band to it, this means that LTE800 Orange was added to the BTS. Signal parameters poor, not bad speeds. Do another test but this time also use this application https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.mroczis.netmonster&hl=pl, this one also shows additional bands on LTE +, i.e. it will show the main LTE800 and others screen of it. The phone uses LTE + band aggregation, hence the better DL and how does it look when connected with this Airbox? This MIFi does not aggregate LTE bands and inside it can only connect to LTE800 if the coverage on LTE1800 is weak. / Correct LTE signal parameters https://jackiewiczowie.blogspot.com/2014/10/parametry-sygnau-lte.html

matek451 wrote:

The test showed aggregation of LTE bands from BTS at the Stobrawa hotel as the LTE800 baseband and aggregation with some other band to it, this means that LTE800 Orange was added to the BTS. Signal parameters poor, not bad speeds. Do another test but this time also use this application https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.mroczis.netmonster&hl=pl, this one also shows additional bands on LTE +, i.e. it will show the main LTE800 and others screen of it. The phone uses LTE + band aggregation, hence the better DL and how does it look when connected with this Airbox? This MIFi does not aggregate LTE bands and inside it can only connect to LTE800 if the coverage on LTE1800 is weak. / Correct LTE signal parameters https://jackiewiczowie.blogspot.com/2014/10/parametry-sygnau-lte.html

I don't know why it shows the wrong location, I even downloaded an additional file to be accurate and it shows the street far away from mine.

Irrelevant, it is important that it showed aggregation of LTE800 + 1800 from BTS Mickiewicza 27. Inside the signal on 800MHz from LTE800 is weak, RSTP-107dBm, on 1800MHz with LTE1800 already residual because RSRP -117 very weak. LTE800 Orange is a 10MHz bandwidth. In general, check now how DL / UL works from this MiFi Airbox, at -117dBm on LTE1800 it does not connect with it, and when it comes to such a signal, the speeds should be low. Probably logging into LTE800, but there is no signal diagnostics on it, so we will not confirm it. The tests shown prove the poor coverage of the LTE800 inside the home and the residual range of the LTE1800. An external antenna is necessary, you will not connect it to the Airbox. You can see that choosing this toy was a mistake. If you want to use LTE800 + 1800 or LTE1800 + 800 aggregation, you need a router with 2 CC CA B3 + B20 and an external antenna working at 800 and 1800MHz. The issue of the local network and WiFi coverage at home is another issue. As I wrote an additional AP.

matek451 wrote:

Irrelevant, it is important that it showed aggregation of LTE800 + 1800 from BTS Mickiewicza 27. Inside the signal on 800MHz from LTE800 is weak, RSTP-107dBm, on 1800MHz with LTE1800 already residual because RSRP -117 very weak. LTE800 Orange is a 10MHz bandwidth. In general, check now how DL / UL works from this MiFi Airbox, at -117dBm on LTE1800 it does not connect with it, and when it comes to such a signal, the speeds should be low. Probably logging into LTE800, but there is no signal diagnostics on it, so we will not confirm it. The tests shown prove the poor coverage of the LTE800 inside the home and the residual range of the LTE1800. An external antenna is necessary, you will not connect it to the Airbox. You can see that choosing this toy was a mistake. If you want to use LTE800 + 1800 or LTE1800 + 800 aggregation, you need a router with 2 CC CA B3 + B20 and an external antenna working at 800 and 1800MHz. The issue of the local network and WiFi coverage at home is another issue. As I wrote an additional AP.

So, could I ask you to recommend such a set? I do not know anything about it at all, and I would like to finally use the Internet normally. Or maybe I should have internet from a different provider? If so, which one?

As for other operators, you would have to check how it looks with cable, is there such access? From mobile, I would test Play for you. Do the mentioned speed test while the card is in this Airbox.

But in which program to do this test? I have to insert the card into this device and normally on speedtest do it on the computer?

Yes, its card and speedtest on the computer connected to it, Airbox near the computer.

matek451 wrote:

Yes, its card and speedtest on the computer connected to it, Airbox near the computer.

[IMG] https://www.speedtest.pl/test/223014922 [/ IMG]

Overall, not bad for a single LTE band (probably LTE800), but about 10Mb / s is difficult to divide into several devices and users. You can also see for yourself at the end how Orange works for you on a phone with LTE + aggregation when you put it out of the window. Then the signal parameters on LTE800 and LTE1800 will improve by about 10dB, which should translate into an improvement in DL / UL. Do speedtests with the phone outside the window, show the speedtest and screen from NetMonster. In general, you can say something about the equipment and the antenna for Orange.

matek451 wrote:

Overall, not bad for a single LTE band (probably LTE800), but about 10Mb / s is difficult to divide into several devices and users. You can also see for yourself at the end how Orange works for you on a phone with LTE + aggregation when you put it out of the window. Then the signal parameters on LTE800 and LTE1800 will improve by about 10dB, which should translate into an improvement in DL / UL. Do speedtests with the phone outside the window, show the speedtest and screen from NetMonster. In general, you can say something about the equipment and the antenna for Orange.

I have conducted two tests:

1. Telephone outside the window on the west side:


2. I went out with the phone to the courtyard from the east side:

And we are fully clear about LTE Orange in your location. It's not as bad as I thought. The NetWorks network in Kluczbork has potential, it also operates on LTE2600 and LTE800. LTE2600 Orange also works on the BTS at the Stobrawa hotel. The aggregation of LTE2600 + 800 + 1800 started, the signal was quite weak on them, LTE2600 as the basic LTE band. DL good speed and UL low due to weak signal. The second test is LTE2600 + 800 from the ECO chimney on Kołłątaja 8, LTE1800 on it as well, but it is not known if the signal on LTE2600 is quite weak and sufficient on LTE800. Cool speeds.
To sum up, BTSs with 3 LTE bands and their aggregation, the signal is weak, so an external antenna will be needed. If you want to use aggregation LTE2600 + 1800 + 800, then a router with 3 CC CA B715, if with LTE2600 + 1800 or LTE2600 + 800, then a router with 2 CC CA, eg B525, B535. For this external antenna, its selection after changing the router and testing LTE bands on it. Choice between 2x ATK-504 operating in the 800-2600MHz range if you want to use aggregation of 3 LTE bands or two LTE2600 + 800 or Cybertech 17dBi 1800-2600MHz for LTE2600 + 1800 aggregation. B715 costs PLN 400-500, come from Play. B525 for PLN 250-300 for those from Play, Orange. Antenna 200 PLN for Cybertech, 2xATK-504 from Telkob, cost about 300 PLN.

matek451 wrote:

And we are fully clear about LTE Orange in your location. It's not as bad as I thought. The NetWorks network in Kluczbork has potential, it also operates on LTE2600 and LTE800. LTE2600 Orange also works on the BTS at the Stobrawa hotel. The aggregation of LTE2600 + 800 + 1800 started, the signal was quite weak on them, LTE2600 as the basic LTE band. DL good and UL speeds low due to weak signal. The second test is LTE2600 + 800 from the ECO chimney on Kołłątaja 8, LTE1800 on it as well, but it is not known if the signal on LTE2600 is quite weak and sufficient on LTE800. Cool speeds.
To sum up, BTSs with 3 LTE bands and their aggregation, the signal is weak, so an external antenna will be needed. If you want to use aggregation LTE2600 + 1800 + 800, then a router with 3 CC CA B715, if with LTE2600 + 1800 or LTE2600 + 800, then a router with 2 CC CA, eg B525, B535. For this external antenna, its selection after changing the router and testing LTE bands on it. Choice between 2x ATK-504 operating in the 800-2600MHz range if you want to use aggregation of 3 LTE bands or two LTE2600 + 800 or Cybertech 17dBi 1800-2600MHz for LTE2600 + 1800 aggregation. B715 costs PLN 400-500, come from Play. B525 for PLN 250-300 for those from Play, Orange. Antenna 200 PLN for Cybertech, 2xATK-504 from Telkob, cost about 300 PLN.

What do you think I should choose to be good? Because I understand that you should buy a router first, do the tests again and then choose the antenna? If so, how to judge which router to buy? Would this be the best kit?

1. https://allegro.pl/oferta/nowy-huawei-b715-4g-lte-ultra-cat-9-450-50-mbps-fv-8562076628
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2. https://allegro.pl/oferta/2x-antena-lte-advanced-4g-3g-atk504-kable-10m-sma-7116565921

Czarna_88 wrote:

Is a router a good idea for every floor?

Not so much a router as Access point, and yes, it's a good or even very good idea

sebap wrote:

Czarna_88 wrote:

Is a router a good idea for every floor?

Not so much a router as Access point, and yes, it's a good or even very good idea

Thank you for the information, an access point would actually be a good solution. And what do you think about this set that I chose in the previous post?

It is rather a mother's friend451 let him give you a better indication.

But what AP for? Leave building the WiFi network at home for later. You will buy a new router, antenna. You will set it in a specific place, check what the 2.4GHz and 5GHz WiFi network coverage looks like at home with the B715 and on this basis, decide what to do next. Tests are done with a phone connected via WiFi to the router using WiFi Analyzer. B715 is a good choice, but I would look for it cheaper, for PLN 599 it is available in Play stores without a subscription, you can buy it for PLN 400-500 on OLX, Allegro. As for the antenna, you have to decide whether broadband (has a lower gain at 2600MHz) or Cybertech at 1800-2600MHz (has a greater gain at 2600MHz). in the future, as part of the modernization and refarming of BTS, in the future in Kluczbork there will be separate LTE1800 Orange and T-Mobile, each at 10MHz, and LTE2100 will be launched for everyone, also at 10MHz. Then the LTE2600 + 1800 + 2100 aggregation will be available, which will be handled by the B715 and the Cybertech antenna. ATK-504 will work on all LTE bands. The choice as above OK, only the cable is H155 with considerable attenuation at 2600MHz (about 0.6dB / m), the question is whether 10m is needed and whether it is not better, such as https://allegro.pl/oferta/2x-antena-lte-advanced-4g -3g-atk504-dual-sma-10-m-6999534273 this cable has 0.4dB / m attenuation. with 10m of cable, the loss is about 6-7dBi on H155 with connectors and correspondingly 4-5dBi with RF240 at 2600MHz.

matek451 wrote:

But what AP for?

Additionally

Czarna_88 wrote:

the house is two-story, the area of \ u200b \ u200bmore than 200 square meters, reinforced concrete ceilings, and must catch in the basement and on both floors.

And what is the AP to be and where should it be mounted and how does it want to connect to the B715? I suspect that the LAN is not there?

You are picking on, you wrote about it yourself in this post https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3623695.html#18226242

matek451 wrote:

And what is the AP to be and where should it be mounted and how does it want to connect to the B715? I suspect that the LAN is not there?

I don't have a LAN of course, that's true.

So, to sum up, a purchase at the beginning

1. https://allegro.pl/oferta/nowy-huawei-b715-4g-lte-ultra-cat-9-450-50-mbps-fv-8562076628
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2.https://allegro.pl/oferta/2x-antena-lte-advanced-4g-3g-atk504-dual-sma-10-m-6999534273

And then, with the help of the Wifi analyzer, do I have to set the place where the antenna will best catch? Did I get something wrong? Well, because I have to somehow choose where this antenna should be, I do not know if this seatpost is included, because they did not write, but you probably need to attach it to the wall of the house outside.

_cheetah_ wrote:

You can connect the router with the AP by means of PLC adapters over the electrical network. As long as the sockets at the router and AP would be the same phase.

Try to place the router as close to the antenna (s) as possible, because that always does a good job of receiving. It is better to pull 230V than to drag with meters of the antenna cable. The antenna cable should be "butt joint", but with a slight margin ... ;)

With a long cable, type 10m, not H155 or equivalent, but cables of the RG-213, LMR-240 type. Better yet, H1000 cable or equivalent.

If you are not limited by money, the B715 is the future.

It would be best if the router was standing on the window, I have an unused electrical outlet nearby, I think there would be enough cable from the router, if not, an extension cord, never mind. So the router on the window and the antenna outside the window and it would be just right. In this case, I would not need a 10m cable, it also depends on how high the antenna would have to hang. But these antennas differ in some details that I do not see, because e.g. mati recommended the same, also 10m of cable, but it differed in something that I did not see. And it looks like this that if I choose it, it will be useless. Maybe I could take an antenna with 5m of cable, but I don't know which one will be exactly the same as the one to which the link was sent by mati.