[Solved] Title: How to Read EEPROM BSI DELPHI EL5 in Picasso II, C3 III, Aircross & Similar Models

Only that it is probably about a friend of GORO35 who wants to deal with the topic himself
he has been looking for 2 weeks, so he is determined to learn ... I think.
He invested in a programmer ......
If it was an urgent matter, it would probably be over.
But I can be wrong - he has to determine himself.

I'd love to pay and get it over with, but it's more complicated than that. I bought a car with a flooded engine. The car's windows, light wipers and a few other things didn't work. I thought that the bsi was damaged as a result of the flooding. So I bought another bsi, but the immo was blocked. I thought to re-sell the processor that I damaged. Now I have bsi with a different prock and original eprom and I think I need to load the keys. The best thing about it is that bsi was good only in the so-called eco mode. The engine is put together, and I am standing by overzealous. Knowledge will be useful to me, but I'm not going to make money from it. I haven't used the services of mechanics since 1991 and I wish it would stay that way. I gave 600 zlotys for the car, so in the end I will give it to the scrap yard. That's it. You have to break something first to learn.

Oh, that's probably not the way to go.
In most BSI, the change of the prock (or even the software itself), due to the fact that it is difficult to hit the same SW number of the processor batch, is associated with the fact that the data in the eeprom have different addresses and it is useless to combine with the eeprom.
virgin is the best solution.

in your case, the matter is even more complex because the batch with a good PIN is in a damaged prock - because it is inside this prock ...

The best solution is to read the ECU (engine controller) and determine the PIN that matches the keys
working BSI to do on VIRGIN (still need to read the proc)
There is such a possibility that your BSI spacers did the same for VIRGIN
enter and check that LEXIA vidzi VIN BSI
If there is no VIN, then there is NO PIN
that is, it should be added

BUT the condition is:
The ECU and the keys are the same PIN - it must match
Once entered, the keys cannot be used in another car, unless the same PIN is entered into the car with which the keys worked earlier

you can replace the transponder with a clean one in the transponder keys ... I would not count on a remote control then

Add the PIN read from the ECU
Add the keys

Or buy a BSI ECU wrenches starter kit

One leg fell off in this prock. Maybe it is possible to read it somehow on the table without this leg?

It depends which ...
What do you have in identifying this new BSI?
sees VIN?
if so, anyway, to add the keys, you must first make virgin and tap the PIN that was originally for the keys

of course, I understood you correctly that the leg fell off this original prock from this car ...

Just figured out the mileage change
Of course, it is about the legal need for corrections when replacing the BSI
AND calculating a mileage checksum for the BSI

continental
EL5
FL3

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I once asked about this:

glapsson wrote:

Well, it's from a different barrel.
Question for mathematicians and programmers - but still on the topic of BSI (N0x)

I blurred VIN because nobody needs it for anything

I marked the area with the read PINs under the VIN number
I will add that the exchange of these areas between BSI makes the PIN migrate in full

Of course, I have a facebook what counts it from the machine, but the question arises from curiosity - HOW is it counted?

It's starting to lighten up ..... I've already figured out the CS

Hello glapsson, I read your posts and I see that you have a lot of knowledge so hence the question; can you do continental BSI-Q05-00 for virgin ?? of course, for a fee, I want to pay for the service, I will mention that an attempt was already made, but it was not completely cleaned, the whole configuration and vin was to be entered, but the pin remained old, Bsi is the same as in the car, I can buy it in the car read it, but it makes no sense because it would ultimately be the one to be made on virgin, please, info, best regards

Upload a file with bsi to load ...

Following the blow, I played with the drivers in the PSA group.
And I can successfully add DCM3.5 and EDC17C60 to another car.
No need to do VIRGIN
Just enter the PIN from the new car and calculate the checksum.
I already have descriptions for these two ECUs.
It sometimes happens that we have the keys in the PSA group and we know their PIN.
The recipient's car is basically already configured and it is not always easy to buy the perfect starter kit --- changing the BSI and ECU all you have to do is add and pair it .....
It is easier to make BSI to VIRGIN only PIN and add the known PIN of keys to the ECU
Modules programming is gone
the pairing of the BSI ECU is gone
you do not need to add injectors and do auto-adaptation
It works - tested.

Hello, I am attaching the BSI peaks, but not the ones I want to do on Virgn, but the ones that are in the car (they are identical), unfortunately I have nothing to rip on the BSI table, if you take it I will send the whole BSI, the main problem is the fact that the PIN is in flash, best regards

PIN is not in flash
It is only encoded in the eeprom with an algorithm
and in place of the pin then it is FUCK or LOCK

question:

What is the origin of this that you want to replace the BSI?

another thing is you sent some flash and eeprom
unfortunately eeprom stick knows what, but certainly not from BSI continental
because it should be 32KB and your batch has 2KB ..... probably the counter ... it follows from the description "dash"
send eeprom batch from BSI 32KB

What kind of car is it which year

Hello, the car is a Citroen DS5 2015, BSI I want to change because the remotes do not work, the car opens / closes by hands free, and the remote does not, BSI says that the signal is not recognized, after pressing the remote control button it only wakes up, but does not perform the task They are 100% ok, the configuration is also ok, I bought a used car so I can't tell what someone was doing there before, I probably mistook the eeprom file, I will send the right one, greetings

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Hello, I have attached the correct files, best regards

Your VJKC PIN

Fabi thanks, I have only a pin, I need to do a virgin greeting

I have to write this because I will forget what it was like ..... and I'll have a look here in case I need it
Simple things so far
VIN and checksum



mileage and PIN and checksums for continental and new delphi EL5 FL3

the matter is quite simple, you need to know the range of the string included in the checksum and what algorithm this string is treated with
sum algorithms on the page:
https://crccalc.com/
Important - enter without spaces (a consistent string as in the VIN example)

In the same way as above, I have written some other instructions



You used these descriptions ... evaluate it - positive evaluation motivates.

Hello, I have a question, is there a pin to the car in part of this code? If it is, can someone decode it? I give up after a week of fighting, searching and reading eeprom. I blurred the VIN of the car that was not coded.

Nothing is known about your load
What BSI ... auto vintage engine ...
You wrote in my topic about EL5 .... it is not possible to decode the PIN for this BSI you have to read from other places or service.
And this part of the batch ... does not help
Throw in the load and if you are afraid, go to the site.

If this is an old BSI type with a table presented, I'll tell you anyway
I don't want to rewrite it to the hex editor ......
you want to help you but on your part you are not helping ... you do little of this work.

I am surprised by blurring VIN ... and you have blurred more than VIN
maybe the key data was there ....
I am surprised because the VIN is also written under the windshield on the car - everyone can read it and do what they want, and by the way, they know where the car is standing and know its registration number ...
the only thing missing is the date of the first registration to enter CEPIK .... and that's only 365 possibilities etc ..........

There are calculators that you unfortunately have to buy. Unfortunately, you have to pay for knowledge like you, Glapson. Or a cheaper service as long as you own the car.

I agree in many cases when it comes to individual topics, it's just a service, especially new cars after 2015 with online coding.
visit to the service PLN 184
jeton servicebox is 42 euros is also 180 zlotys and there is no guarantee that everything will be done because diagbox does not allow only jeton everywhere.

I invite you to related topics - PSA group
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3664318.html#18495199
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3502977.html
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3409759.html
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3051868.html
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3509540.html

I mobilized and started work on the BSI instruction for the PSA group
here are the beginnings and table of contents how it will look like.
promises to be in the coming days that he will come to stay at home, so it should not take too long.
so far completed
Valeo nox full
continental full
Delphi EL5 partially
Delphi FL5 partially
Sagem partially



I wonder if there will be a demand for such materials ...... ??

Nice job full of respect. When you have a ready, I will be happy to buy it.
You have to respect someone else's work and you have to cost it too.
I translate a bit of GB to EU, as for me, a bit of digging in BSI batches in new 19-20 year cars and a bit not profitable, time-consuming.
The customer wants well it pays for online and has everything as the factory commanded.
But if the corpse comes, sometimes you have to put up a new BSI, then it will be useful.
Now I have a 2008 19 year old car on the wallpaper, and apparently it was on fire.
BSI N03 no commune with the whole CAN HIGH, i.e. ABS, ECU, because it's bena 1.2, the START STOP system and the drive system selector, support. the rest of the car is alive comforty abacus.
Today I'm going for other bsi.
You know which pins can HIGH come out of from bsi because it certainly does not reach ABS.
greetings Miras

I have a few diagrams, but for the Peugeot 208 diesel ... basically the same when it comes to bsi, but there are differences, so not to cause confusion, best if you have a servicebox account - buy access to the diagrams for 1h for a few euros ... about PLN 35 you will download what you want under the car and after the case.
I will only add that when cars have automatic parking ... I found actions that after unplugging the parktroników module it did not start and there was no communication .....
So there are differences and it is better not to rely on similar schemes, but download them as needed.

I have an account otherwise I wouldn't do it online. Tonight I will sit down and look for there, you have to navigate these patterns quickly and so sometimes they break the connection and you have to look for a grandpa on their server from Nowa. An hour is not enough sometimes. Thank you for your help, best regards

But it is....
Most of the other car brands look rather pale.
For my part, I'm not complaining - a bit of practice at the beginning and everything is fine
and the diagrams and repair descriptions in Polish and very accurate.

Hello after the break. The car is still waiting to be launched. Unfortunately, the original Motorola processor was completely damaged. So I have to somehow match the new bsi to virgin. I would have bought a starter kit for a long time, but no one offers a full kit with the lds pump module. Maybe someone will take pity on me and guide me how to extract the pin from the ECU and program the bsi. I don't want for free. Maybe someone will do it to me, after sending the appropriate modules.

You're not helping ...
This will be the fastest
VIN
Nuery of the original BSI - sticker photo
Engine controller numbers - sticker photo
What about this pump - do you stay or did you replace?
What was the damage .. what was flooded what have you already replaced - what was the nature of the repairs already performed?
You know to help you, not everyone has time to run around the whole thread and look for individual entries,
I started the topic, I know what it is - but I already asked about the ECU and you did not give an answer.
If you say so that help is needed, then 100% information in one place is necessary.

First, thank you glapsson for taking up my topic.
The car is Citroen C5 year 2002, engine 2.0 16v 136ps.
BSI "LEAR BSI T04-00 PSA 96 474 482 80-IH 00-IS25.20-220702-5064169
VIN NO VF7DERFNC76335790
Unfortunately, because of my lopsided hands and stupidity, I damaged the original processor from BSi. I only have Eeprom. I have carprog and lexia, but so far I'm in the woods. I also send photos of the sticker from the ECU.

Hello. Thank you for your help, I have the diagrams I bought yesterday. New car, practically nothing damaged, no electronics got. The photos show the tachometer as if the car was fired and here it came to the spacer and the corpse. Even before replacing the breath, it was not burning. No reaction of any kind in the engine compartment. What you sent me is like CAN IS is flying from BSI through the parktronic module to the ABS? it's a bit weird unless I translated it wrong. In the service box it goes directly from the bsi 31pin, 21 pin to the ABS. I have to deal with it on Monday now as I have diagrams. If you need it, I can send you an e-mail from pug 2008 petrol 1.2 on continental VD46.1.
greetings

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I'm sorry that I interfered with the thread

To get the PIN you must read the FLASH memory (29F400BB)
These cheaper programmers:
LPT
willem plus a stand
UFP6.3 plus stand

USB
wellon plus stand from mod vp390 up
TL866 II plus - plus stand
and other more expensive ......

Or helping someone to read it.

IMMO OFF option also possible - but here unfortunately also flash reading and programming and immo line cut necessary.
There will be no action of the pilots - so it is better to fix the system.

Below is an example of a different batch and PIN location
The PIN is public

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I have already explained the BSI
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3640481.html#18388474

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melas wrote:

Hello. ..............

I'm sorry that I interfered with the thread

These were the old diagrams on my part and they concerned the addition of parktronics in the version from the beginning of production until 2014 - I immediately assumed that they might not fit ...
in addition, they were not with serviccebox - in total I had a friend from Sweden, and where did he get it from ???
however, for the most part, PSA - ABS in diesels is the bridge for CAN between the ECU and the BSI.

Oh no! Now I am lying on my shoulder blades. This carprog is not enough to read this scalak from the ECU?

GORO35 wrote:

Oh no! Now I am lying on my shoulder blades. This carprog is not enough to read this scalak from the ECU?

No 29f400 certainly does not read, unfortunately.