Can the mechanic refuse to issue a receipt for the work that has been commission

Aleksander_01 wrote:

And here's a note, according to Polish fiscal law, the invoice for the company includes the exact names and prices of the individual parts used in the repair, while the invoice for the private individual includes general parts, i.e. parts plus labor. I was paying a fine for it so I know what I am writing

It is completely different than what you write. If the plant is also engaged in commercial activities, it may (but does not have to) include the prices of the parts used on the invoice or receipt. However, if he does not run a commercial activity, but only a service one, he cannot list parts and materials. He writes only what has been done, and the purchase of materials is included in the operating costs.

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ftp.kowal wrote:

Not every workshop has a commercial activity, therefore it cannot issue a receipt for parts

A colleague above wrote about the same.

Grzegorz_madera - you write well. I had this "adventure" with the US, though, or even in the past, and I do not remember everything exactly.

I also got a fine of PLN 300 for the old alternator. When asked by a US official
-what is this
- damaged old alternator
-what it is for
-lies because more than once I take a part, a screw, a housing, etc.
-a it is included in the physical inventory
-NOT
And a fine of PLN 300.

I remembered such a regular customer, he looks like Papa Smurf, short, bald, white beard, guest over 60 and swinging with such chicks (roaring 40 steaks) that the head is small (there must be a lusty guest). He is an accountant. He said that when ladies from the US come to his office for a check, the conversation looks more or less like this
- a cup of tea?
-gladly.
- Ladies, please, it is a waste of time, Lord, they will find something in the end. I propose a small ticket and you're in trouble.
And happy clerks write out 300 or 200 tickets, and both sides are happy.

Aleksander_01 wrote:

- Ladies, please, it is a waste of time, Lord, they will find something in the end. I propose a small ticket and you're in trouble.
And happy clerks write out 300 or 200 tickets, and both sides are happy.

It is none other than the Lord wrote that

Aleksander_01 wrote:

In Poland, they probably punished only for Stalin for words, but this also had to be proved,

So let you consider whether this dictation about the happiness of both parties is not a description of "punishment for words" (and at the request of the punished person), that is, something similar to your confabulations on "Polish fiscal law".
If that were the case, you would have a lot in common with this "accountant", and the readers of your posts in this thread could approach their content with an appropriate distance.

PS
Easier than it was done in post 31, your stories about tax regulations can not be summarized.

Methuselah, I see that you are a walking ideal, you have never made even the slightest mistake, you are a genius in every field, and in general, eh and ah. There was once a Russian movie about a guy like you and at school they sang songs about him, something like "Sergey Lavriev, samyj łudszyj czieławiek" (I don't know the notes because there would be a nice melody). Either you don't know life or you're like Sergey Lavrev, I'm betting on the former.

Well, we got to the personal arguments.
Congratulations, Mr. Alexander_01 (their "strength").
There is only one but - my "genius", in this thread, concerns not "every hereditary", but only one. The one you don't know about, and yet you speak about it. Thus, by misleading or being able to mislead readers who are less familiar with such matters.

Do I speak here on the issues of "industrial electronics and power electronics"? I have the impression that it is not. Nevertheless, the Lord evaluates my statements from outside these areas without having any real competences to do so. Do you have any formal ones? And I sincerely doubt it.

PS
"Ruskie" are dumplings. The film, if anything, was Russian (or Soviet, or, as some people like to write, Soviet).

bearq wrote:

There is nothing better than a verbal agreement and trust between the owner and the workshop.

I learned the verbal contracts, I drive the car wherever they give a written quote. A few times I agreed with the workshop the price before the repair, but I immediately made a reservation that if the costs increased, he would inform me.
Usually it was so that I made an appointment, for example, for PLN 500 in the afternoon, I come back for the car and the payment is PLN 800, and once even almost 100% more than was agreed. Although these prices, fixed before the repair, were the maximum they could be.
People are abnormal. I am asking, where is the price coming from? Because it was still necessary to replace this, that and that. Why didn't you call me to inform me, I might not have that kind of money? There was no time. Well, I replied that I also didn't have time to earn him twice as much as he demanded at the outset and good bye! I paid what was agreed.
From that moment on, no more dating. I am asking for a quote, if something comes out in the process, the phone is necessary, otherwise I will not pay more. And I will say it works.

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Aleksander_01 wrote:

Boy, that 750 grams will be expensive and he wants to load only 300 grams. Translations that it will do nothing and instead of cooling it will heat it does not work. In the end I got pissed ... I pissed me off and chased him away.
Do you also come across such idiots?

Why idiots right away. It could have been done otherwise. Fill him with these 300 grams and write it down on the protocol that the factor was supplemented according to arrangements of the customer in such a quantity at his express request.
Get paid for the work and for the factor and that's it. For labor, you would get the same amount as you get for filling it to 100%, while for gas you would charge a little less. I don't see any problem with being ambitious about such crap.

As for the first time in 13 years, I went to replenish the air conditioning factor (it cooled but rather poorly), it was missing more than half. However, the air conditioner worked.
So it would probably work poorly for him too. However, that would be his problem.

After all, I described in some post that I do not know about the US regulations, I don't even want to know each other. I have an accountant who I pay well. It is one of the most expensive accounting offices in Kielce, and let his head hurt on such topics.
I simply described a case in the world that concerned me personally, or maybe I got a penalty ticket wrongly? I prefer to pay 300 zlotys and have peace of mind than to dig with a horse.
I also wrote that perhaps in another region of Poland, another entrepreneur would not be punished for the same mistake, it all depends on the interpretation of the head of a given tax office.
I have a friend who is sickly cunning about money, when the US fined him 400 zlotys, he could even judge with the US. He won the case, but I do not know whether it cost PLN 400 or more. And where is health, the case dragged on for almost a year. Lawyer, etc. If I were to win such a case, at the entrance I say - here a fine of 400 zlotys and here 100 for each woman and we forget about the case as soon as possible. It's just money, you can't buy the biggest health.

If you are so good with these US regulations, why do you write here where electricians and not legal forums, I will answer you - because nobody here wants to rummage in these codes, paragraphs, articles, etc. In a word - among the blind, one-eyed well-looking.

I propose to end this strange "dispute" which adds nothing to this topic.


^ ToM ^ - I can see that you are a customer and you do not know the behavior of some customers yet. Today he says that you should have less than half of the load and in a week he will come with a grudge "you took so much money and the air conditioning is still not working (cooling)". Believe me, the crooks are stabbing me in the bottle, I can give you two examples from that week.

As for the valuation and the final price - maybe I'm different, but I have the so-called professional honor, when I tell the client that we can fit, for example, in PLN 700, even if I have to stand on my head, I try to keep the contract, and if it is not possible, contact us by phone. For me as a specialist, the biggest insult would be if the client accused me of wrongly doing or wrongly valuing the job, having a car at my disposal.

there are some customers who call and
-Dear, because my car went out on the street, how much will it cost
-I don't know, please bring the car and we'll see
-eee it will be expensive, and you would not come?
-And you can leave work when you want or PLN 100 for travel with the diagnosis, regardless of whether it starts or not,
Then the client tells how it happened and the question is asked what broke
and how much will the repair cost
-I don't know, I need a car to define myself
- who did I call? You are a specialist after all.
- just because I am a specialist I cannot define it.
Believe it or not, there are at least two such calls a week.

Aleksander_01 wrote:

^ ToM ^ - I see that you are a customer and you do not know the behavior of some customers yet. He says today to load less than half a in a week he will come with a grudge, "you took so much money and the air conditioning is still not working (chills) "Believe me, the crooks are punching me in the bottle, I can give you two examples from that week.

Everyone is a customer - so are you.
On the merits. Such a situation would not take place, as the customer receiving the vehicle was informed in writing about the air conditioning malfunction. If you informed him at the reception that the air conditioning was out of order, why would he come to you in a week to inform you about this fact? There was nothing he could do. Therefore, a carefully written repair report protects the mechanic against unjustified claims on the part of the customer. Hence, I have been urging you to do so for a long time, but as you can see from what you write above - unfortunately to no avail.
I have worked for over 12 years in an authorized service center and I know that careful and accurate writing of protocols effectively protected us against various fraudsters. Many times!

Aleksander_01 wrote:

I have a friend who is sickly cunning about money, when the US fined him 400 zlotys, he could even judge with the US. He won the case, but I do not know whether it cost PLN 400 or more.

Personally, I support such action, because the office cannot impose penalties just because it is the office. The penalty is to be imposed only when it is due and this is what the office is supposed to make sure of it. It is not the citizen or the entrepreneur who has to prove that he is not a camel, but the office has to prove that he is. Of course, as we know in practice, it is completely different, I am already ignoring whether the litigation was economically justified, because most likely not. But as a matter of principle, everyone should do this.

Aleksander_01 wrote:

Today he says that you should have less than half of the load and in a week he will come with a grudge "you took so much money and the air conditioning is still not working (cooling)". Believe me, the crooks are stabbing me in the bottle, I can give you two examples from that week.

And in addition, if the case went to court, the arguments that it was at the customer's request would be irrelevant, because the customer would explain that he does not know how to repair air conditioning and that he came to a specialist. So you better done what you did. As far as possible from such "clients".

^ ToM ^ Maybe you're right, but I'd rather not make a profit than argue with such an idiot afterwards. Briefly - we either do well or not at all. The more that the cost of loading 750 and 300 grams is not much more, and there is no effect.

Aleksander_01 wrote:

^ ToM ^ Maybe you're right, but I'd rather not make a profit than argue with such an idiot afterwards. Briefly - we either do well or not at all. The more that the cost of loading 750 and 300 grams is not much more, and there is no effect.

I will say this: you would do well and according to the art, but only at the client's request you would pump less factor.

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^ ToM ^ I'm not 20 anymore, I have not defended the old world and I will not change the new one.

Hello everyone, I have a situation where the pseudo-mechanic does not issue an invoice for the "pseudo-really" repair because he did not perform the ordered repairs and returned the part, but accepted the money. He is a taxi driver and doesn`t run a repair shop. Can something be done to him for running an illegal pseudo-workshop?

You won`t achieve anything through the official route, anyone can earn up to some amount without keeping a diary.

Aleksander_01 wrote:

You won`t achieve anything through the official route

Is it?
From a "denouncement" and even a gratuity, if the information from the report is confirmed, to a serious fine for refusing to issue a bill/invoice/receipt.

Aleksander_01 wrote:

Everyone can earn up to some amount without running a diary.

First of all - the taxi driver "runs DG".
Secondly - this "some amount" would have to result from the contract and the situation in which the contractor would submit appropriate declarations (in writing) so that there would be no tax.

These are the first doubts (I could raise many more of them) regarding what you wrote.


I don`t even want to raise issues related to "VAT" obligations in the case of a car "repairer".

PS
There is still the question of the amount and possible "ordinary" prosecution, e.g. for extortion.

Matuzalem wrote:

I don`t even want to raise issues related to "VAT" obligations in the case of a car "repairer".

And what does VAT have to do with it, I resigned from VAT and I am still a car repairer, but not a VAT payer. Or maybe the US is interpreting the regulations incorrectly?

Matuzalem wrote:

First of all - the taxi driver "runs DG".

Of course he runs a DG... but as a TAXI, not a repairman, unless he has the appropriate code entered into CEIDG, we don`t know. However, as the head of the DG, he is not involved in unregistered activities.

Matuzalem wrote:

From "reporting" and even gratification, if the information from the report is confirmed,

Don`t even write like that, it`s pure informing, the worst form of bastardization of a human being. Better punch him in the face.

1. There is a subtle difference between being

Aleksander_01 wrote:

not a VAT collector

and

Matuzalem wrote:

"VAT" obligations

to which you are also subject even though you do not have to settle this tax.

2. So what`s the deal with this "certain amount" from your previous post?
exists - in this case - or does not exist, a
If it exists, is it unconditional or not?

3. Now do we start talking about "ethical attitudes"? - Damn, I thought
but about whether and what can be done "officially".

Coming back to the topic: Yes, Mr. Jaro.PL1, something can be done.
The only thing is that in such a case you will really come across as "unethical", because "the people saw what they were taking" when you went out with him.
It doesn`t matter why, what matters is that if everything was in order (with the workmanship), you wouldn`t be looking to catch a taxi driver doing the repairs now.

By the way, who goes to a taxi driver to repair their car instead of a mechanic? I`m seriously asking, do you also go to the pharmacy to buy meat? Or is your computer repaired by a welder?

@Matuzalem
1. I completely agree with you.
2. "A certain amount" refers to unregistered debt. TAXI must be registered, so this regulation does not apply to taxi drivers. The only question remains - is he a taxi driver on his own DG, or maybe a driver working on a contract basis in some corporation.
3. Ethics is important, perhaps the most important. You can also say this - if he treats me unethically, why should I treat him ethically? But for me, a denunciation is always a denunciation, a blow below the belt.

Ad 1. A certain group was once asked a question - "do you pay VAT?" Probably 2/3 of those asked answered that they do not pay VAT.

user64 wrote:

By the way, who goes to a taxi driver to repair their car instead of a mechanic? I`m seriously asking, do you also go to the pharmacy to buy meat? Or is your computer repaired by a welder?

Like who, a person who wanted to repair it as cheaply as possible.

Aleksander_01 wrote:

But for me, a denunciation is always a denunciation, a blow below the belt.

The ethicality or unethicality of denunciation is not constant in all cultures.
in the United States, burning leaves outside the designated period (for example) will cause blinkers in the driveway in 10 minutes, and the neighbor will not feel like an informer, but an honest citizen.

The Polish view of informing lies in 150 years of foreign rule, with a greater emphasis on the Russian partition (where even their native citizens thought the same) and the Austrian partition (a corrupt colossus with legs of clay). I recommend the same maps published after each Polish election

At the turn of the 1990s we hoped that "only" within 40 years, as in the Bible, it would take the slave culture to become biologically extinct, and we would be able to live independently in our own country... I don`t believe it today. PRL is renewed in subsequent broadcasts by students from schools (where cheating is ok - but paying attention to it is not)... PRL is impossible to deal with...

Honestly, I would dream of having an approach to denunciation or "denunciation" like in the USA.

@JacekCz You are very right, unfortunately this is a remnant of our history.
In Switzerland, doing so is considered civic duty. We`ll get to that too.
But for me, a denunciation means a very weak person, mentally. First, always try to reach an agreement, some kind of compromise.
@JARO.PL1 wanted it cheap, but it turned out expensive, as always. The smartass met a better smartass. If it happened to me, I would make such an extra surprise for this fare seller that he would remember it for the rest of his days.

Aleksander_01 wrote:

A certain group was once asked a question - "do you pay VAT?" Probably 2/3 of those asked answered that they do not pay VAT.

A senior elected official in the party that has the right in its name, at the height of the propaganda "VAT sealing" at a private event:
"I pay professionals without an invoice, BUT WE DON`T ROBB ANYONE LIKE THAT"

He went to his friend, a taxi driver, to do it for him. And he thought that, as usual, we would knock down the bottle and everything would be fine. Unfortunately, my friend had a night course so he took the money from him and hence the whole scandal.