[Solved] The UPC Connect Box router connected to the antenna cable (?) and the TV

Hi,

At the beginning, I would like to add that I do not know about cables, etc., so I am asking for a pathological translation :)

Is it possible that the internet to the UPC router goes through the antenna cable, which can also be used to connect to the RTV socket?

The previous owners of the apartment did not use the TV, but they ran a cable from the RTV socket, which is to meet the cable from the antenna at some point, and I have to connect them to be able to watch TV.

I know where the cable that goes from the socket is, the problem is that within its range the only cable that goes out to the antenna and enters the apartment is the cable that is currently connected to the UPC Connect Box router to the COAX socket.
In general, there are 2 cables entering the router - the power cable and the antenna one. Can this cable entering the COAX socket in the router be a TV cable - from a collective antenna, or is it rather a cable directly from UPC?

Thank you

There is only UPC signal in the cable connected to the router's COAX connector. But in this signal, depending on the location and contract, in addition to IP, there may also be television packages (QAM), both free and paid. The free package can also be an equivalent of AIZ, if the building has an appropriate agreement with UPC and then it is available to all residents of the building. You need a QAM decoder or a QAM receiving TV for reception.

AIZ as an integral building installation is always a separate cable.

However, the cabling described by you is completely incomprehensible to me - what, where, where and with what... Make a freehand sketch of what you have at home and want to achieve.

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

My good advice - check with the operator if you have TV from UPC at all, if so, then call the operator's service (PLN 50 paid, added to the subscriber's invoice) and let the service technician take care of everything.
In fact, you have no right to tinker with the operator's network alone

only I don't want UPC TV, only terrestrial
I'm not going to bury anything there, the previous owner just said that he brought a cable from the collective antenna to the apartment, so I'm looking for it but since you say that the cable that goes to the router is only UPC from the internet, it looks like there is no cable from the common antenna and I have to get a foreman to let me have a cable in my apartment

xyz0123 wrote:

I'm not going to bury anything there, the previous owner just said that he brought a cable from the collective antenna to the apartment, so I'm looking for it

Hm, AIZ is such an installation that it is either in the form of an RTV socket or there is none. There's nothing to hold on to yourself. You can only run a cable between rooms.

It may also be that the cable company switched your AIZ cable to its network in the shaft in the staircase, thus connecting its service to the previous tenant without having to pull his cable.

Just ask the building administration if there is an AIZ.

_cheetah_ wrote:

Hm, AIZ is such an installation that it is either in the form of an RTV socket or there is none. There's nothing to hold on to yourself. You can only run a cable between rooms.

old building, all cables for TV, telephones and the Internet go through the staircase (partly hidden behind the masking, so I can't locate everything anyway, from the side of the staircase, the cables enter the apartment, the previous owner made an RTV socket in one of the rooms and pulled the cable through the whole apartment, so that one day it would be possible to connect the antenna cable coming from the staircase. He said that this cable from the cage is let into the apartment and it is enough to connect it with the one drawn through the apartment, but it seems that the antenna cable needs to be inserted into the apartment.

As far as I know, there is 1 antenna cable and 1 socket

Maybe it's different - there is one cable entering the apartment from the staircase and running directly to the RTV socket, and then from the socket to the router?

Is there any printing on this coax cable?
Can you provide a picture of the TV socket?

No no
there is a cable that looks like an antenna going directly to the router to the Coax socket (in the router), it came out from the conversation that it probably goes straight from the UPC box.
And there is a cable running from the RTV socket, which is waiting for connection with the cable going to the collective antenna id. It turned out that this cable going from the collective antenna is not let into the apartment

As far as I know, collective antennas are new and supposedly receive everything, only stumps of cables remain after the old installation

marmon wrote:

hi

if you have DVB-C in the TV set, you can connect the coax to the UPC socket and from the socket to the router and to the TV set.

I have a splitter and a cable goes everywhere in the apartment to every room, there is a tv/router/lan socket ...

btw... upc has dvb-t terrestrial channels for free

I am just planning to buy a TV with DVB-C, S and T. And I hope that thanks to the collective antenna, it will cover terrestrial and free satellite.

By UPC socket you mean the upc box/can, so to speak, in the stairwell?
Because I don't know how it all works, but would it be possible to make such a trick that the cable from the UPC box and the cable from the antenna would be connected in 1 cable that would go to the RTV socket, so that, in addition to terrestrial and satellite, the TV also receives these free UPC channels? - I don't have the option to put the router next to the RTV socket, and I don't want to trip over cables

Ok, and you can do it so that there is a split with the cable from the UPC box and some of it goes to the router, and happiness is "loose", and if UPC has a channel that it wants to watch, I disconnect the cable from the cable going to the RTV socket antenna, and I connect this split with UPC? To watch TV from UPC instead of TV from the antenna?

xyz0123 wrote:

I am just planning to buy a TV with DVB-C, S and T. And I hope that thanks to the collective antenna, it will cover terrestrial and free satellite.

Make sure that it has everything it should have on board, and above all the H.265 HEVC codec, because it will soon be necessary for our DVB-T2, and more and more HEVC on the S2 satellites. HbbTV would also be good to have, but it is a difficult topic, especially for Samsung.

I am writing this because even though there is an obligation for TV sets to have it on board, it is different. More --> https://www.infor.pl/akt-prawny/DZU.2015.143....chnicnych-and-eksploatacyjny-dla-odbiornikow- Cyfrowe.html (original) or --> https://dvbt2.pl/index.php/aktualnosci/19-wym...ne-i-eksploatacyjne-dla-odbiornikow-cyfrowych (description)

_cheetah_ wrote:

Make sure that it has everything it should have on board, and above all the H.265 HEVC codec, because it will soon be necessary for our DVB-T2, and more and more HEVC on the S2 satellites. HbbTV would also be good to have, but it is a difficult topic, especially for Samsung.

Thank you for your advice LG UN series, should probably give advice ;)

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

Honestly, draw how you see it because I don't understand anything from your translation - draw where this splitter you want to give, what to branch and what and where to connect.

And an additional question - you have a router from UPC in the same room as the TV?

No, the router is in the hall.
I've attached an amateur picture

None of these cables connect
black - the outline of the hall with the router and the room with the TV socket
yellow - outline of the staircase
blue - antenna cable - goes from the collective antenna, somewhere along the staircase, so far it does not enter the apartment
green - the cable, most likely from the UPC box, enters the Coax socket in the router in the hall
red - the antenna cable going from the RTV socket to the corridor, where it should be connected to the blue cable to receive the signal from the antenna

the question is, if UPC has free channels, can you make a split on the green cable, so that one end goes to the router, and the other end can be connected to the red one instead of the blue one, to pick up channels from UPC on the TV? To replace the green cable with the blue one and vice versa if necessary.

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

Do you have a box in your apartment where all the coax cables from the whole apartment converge to this one point/place?

these are the only coax wires I know about, I also know about no boxes, the wires (red and green) do not connect but "can reach each other" on the shelf in the corridor (blue is outside the apartment, probably in some box).

From this drawing I get the following:

1.
On the green cable, between the wall and the entrance of the router, you can give the appropriate splitter and connect the red cable to it.
Then there is an IP on the router and a TV signal in QAM in the red socket, if there is one in the cable entering the apartment. The condition is the appropriate level of signals in the UPC cable, but usually the split into two can be given with impunity.

The splitter is e.g. DSS2 Teleste or some equivalent.

2.
The second option is to extend the blue cable and lead it from the cage to the apartment, and in the apartment to connect it to the red cable.
Then on the red socket there will be a signal from AIZ (DVB-T?). as long as there is a signal in the blue cable. If there is no, you would probably have to negotiate with AIZ maintenance to turn it on.

Oh, that's what I meant :)

If I do both options - the splitter on the green and the pull-up of the blue one, can I plug in the one I want to the red one? Will it require a different connection between the red RTV socket and the TV set?

xyz0123 wrote:

if I do both options - the splitter on green and pulling up the blue one, then I can plug in the one I want to the red one?

Yes, you could flip over.

Only then, when unscrewing the red cable from the splitter, should the F socket of the splitter hanging in the air be tightened with a matched 75 Ohm load, so as not to introduce too much garbage into the UPC cable unnecessarily. Not very comfortable.

Grzegorz740 wrote:

Because the one you gave is an ordinary splitter that is designed to split the TV signal.

This is no ordinary splitter.

Grzegorz740 wrote:

Isn't it sometimes necessary to use such a splitter: http://www.satserwis.pl/pokaz.php?nazwa=oferta/24/2489.dat to have an IP on the router?

UPC no longer uses such solutions with the kz blocker.