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WiFi socket with schedule without fixed WiFi coverage - alternatives

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  • #1 19840363
    fckg
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    I need a WiFi socket or other 'smart solution'.

    I have various devices in the house that are not used all the time e.g. the socket by the boiler (let's say I would like this device to run twice for 1 hour each during the day) or the power supply for the terrestrial antenna in the attic (let's say I want it to be switched off at night and restarted in the morning) and other devices. I would like to start saving electricity by temporarily switching off these appliances. Ideally, I would like to configure a particular device once (on/off schedule) using, for example, a smartphone. Later this configuration was remembered (not counting the time change). As far as I can see, WiFi sockets enable this, but unfortunately they do not work when there is WiFi coverage and I do not want the socket in question to work only when there is WiFi. After all, I am not going to force a router/access point into a socket so that it starts up/shuts down and is in WiFi range....

    I think the problem of the WiFi socket is "no battery to remember the schedule".

    I am therefore asking for some simple ready-made solution. What is worth buying ?
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  • #2 19840417
    K3
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    And a classic electronic programmer without WiFi can't be?
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  • #4 19840430
    gkwiatkowski
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    Or master-slave strip. Drawing current from the master socket switches power to the slave sockets.
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  • #5 19840608
    fckg
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    electronic programmer - when I once switched two sockets into different sockets, the sockets alternately switched off/on, but not in the order required.... Generally speaking, one socket from one room interacted with another from the other room....
    Unless the current (modern) ones do not have such disadvantages. Here you can give me some advice.
    I should add that when there was one socket (electronic programmer) everything was OK.

    a regular power strip with switches - I can't imagine flying to the attic and to a separate building every day to switch on/off the boiler or the terrestrial TV power supply....

    ordinary power strip with switches - generally only one appliance will be in the socket.
  • #6 19840698
    kood
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    Switch-mode power supplies "don't like" switching off the power supply and for such power saving later costs several times the savings. Such an antenna power supply will draw current for maybe 50 cents a month.
  • #7 19841546
    Mobali
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    fckg wrote:
    ...I can't imagine flying to the loft and to a separate building every day to switch the boiler on/off...
    I can't either. But here a simple programmer, even a mechanical one, is the perfect solution. It is a simple, cheap and very reliable device. There is also no possibility of these types of programmers interacting with each other.
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
  • #8 19841623
    fckg
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    kood wrote:
    Pulse power supplies "don't like" switching off the power and for such power saving later costs several times the savings. Such an antenna power supply will draw current for maybe 50 cents per month.


    So what is the best programmer to buy mechanical/electronic or otherwise to avoid such problems?

    Also, I would like to power down, for example, a laptop connected to the internet via LAN. It is in the socket all the time.
  • #9 19841684
    gkwiatkowski
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    Wouldn't that be changing the axe into a stick?
    You disconnect a couple of small power supplies, and in their place you plug in a couple of remote sockets, which also take some current to power their electronics.
  • #10 19841691
    kood
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    I would rather start by buying a power meter to check what individual circuits actually consume enough energy to make it worthwhile. Such a power supply for an antenna consumes, say, 100mA at 12V, which gives 1.2W, per month it comes out to about 0.8 kWh, which is about 50 cents, let's assume that it will not work for half of a day, which gives 25 cents savings per month. A power supply that is switched off and on will break down quicker so the investment will never be recovered.
  • #11 19841704
    fckg
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    I even have a note of how much the devices draw from such a WiFi socket.

    A boiler like this uses 3-4 kWh in one day. The other appliances I can't remember because I'm at work (I'll have to check when I get back).
  • #12 19841759
    gkwiatkowski
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    fckg wrote:
    I even have a note of how much the devices draw from such a WiFi socket.

    Such a boiler consumes 3-4 kWh in one day. The other appliances I can't remember because I'm at work (I'll have to check when I get back).


    Measure how much electricity it uses when no water is drawn from it.
  • #13 19841895
    exti
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    As for a Wi-Fi controller that also works when there is no coverage, some sort of 'smart plug' supporting software Tasmota would take care of the matter.
    This is neither off-the-shelf nor particularly simple (it requires firmware to be uploaded and configured) but it offers a great deal of potential. You can set it up so that it works completely independently, but when it detects Wi-Fi coverage it connects. Or you could make it so that the plug puts out its own access point to connect to, e.g. to change the schedule (which, incidentally, it will remember after a power reset).

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around finding a smart solution for controlling various household devices without relying on fixed WiFi coverage. The user seeks a WiFi socket or alternative that allows for scheduling power on/off for devices like a boiler and a terrestrial antenna. Suggestions include using classic electronic programmers, simple power strips, or master-slave power strips. Concerns are raised about the reliability of electronic programmers and the potential inefficiency of smart plugs that require power to operate. A notable recommendation is a smart plug that supports Tasmota firmware, which can function independently of WiFi while retaining scheduling capabilities. The conversation also touches on the importance of measuring actual power consumption to determine the cost-effectiveness of these solutions.
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FAQ

TL;DR: Want schedules without constant Wi‑Fi? A small antenna PSU costs ~0.5 PLN/month, and "switch‑mode supplies don't like" power‑cycling; use mechanical timers or Tasmota‑flashed plugs that keep offline schedules. [Elektroda, kood, post #19840698]

Why it matters: This FAQ helps homeowners automate outlets where Wi‑Fi is patchy, avoid false savings, and pick durable offline options.

Quick Facts

What’s the simplest offline way to schedule power without Wi‑Fi?

Use a mechanical plug‑in timer. It is simple, inexpensive, and reliable. It runs your on/off schedule without any network. These timers do not interact with each other. Set it once and let it work. [Elektroda, Mobali, post #19841546]

Is there a smart plug that keeps schedules when Wi‑Fi is down?

Yes—flash a compatible smart plug with Tasmota. It executes schedules locally, even with no Wi‑Fi coverage. You can make the plug host its own access point for quick changes. It reconnects when coverage appears. It “will remember after a power reset.” [Elektroda, exti, post #19841895]

Do Wi‑Fi smart plugs need an access point nearby to run schedules?

Not with Tasmota. You can configure the plug to work entirely offline. If you want, enable its own access point to adjust timers locally. It will connect only when Wi‑Fi coverage exists. [Elektroda, exti, post #19841895]

Will power‑cycling small switch‑mode supplies actually save money?

Savings are tiny for small loads. An antenna PSU can cost about 0.5 PLN per month. Frequent power‑cycling can shorten supply life. “Switch‑mode power supplies don’t like switching off the power.” Consider leaving such supplies on. [Elektroda, kood, post #19840698]

How much energy does an antenna amplifier power supply use?

About 12 V × 0.1 A equals 1.2 W. That is roughly 0.8 kWh per month. At the example rate, that’s around 0.5 PLN monthly. Turning it off for 12 hours daily saves about 0.25 PLN per month. [Elektroda, kood, post #19841691]

How should I decide which devices to put on a timer?

Measure first with a plug‑in power meter. Check each circuit to see real consumption. Small supplies can be around 1.2 W and rarely justify automation. Use timers where measurements show meaningful usage. This avoids chasing negligible savings. [Elektroda, kood, post #19841691]

My electronic programmers “interact” unpredictably—how do I stop that?

Use mechanical timers for independence. They are simple and very reliable. There is no possibility of these programmers interacting with each other. Assign one timer per outlet and set windows separately. [Elektroda, Mobali, post #19841546]

Can a master‑slave power strip automate accessories?

Yes. When the master device draws current, it switches power to the slave sockets. This automates turning accessories on and off with the main load. It’s handy for PC or AV setups. [Elektroda, gkwiatkowski, post #19840430]

Is a power strip with individual switches useful here?

It is a simple, low‑tech option. Toggle only the outlets you need. It helps when devices sit together and are easy to reach. For distant locations, use automated scheduling. [Elektroda, Mobali, post #19840422]

How do I set up an offline schedule on a Tasmota plug?

  1. Flash a compatible smart plug with Tasmota firmware.
  2. In Tasmota, create Timer entries for your on/off windows and save.
  3. Optionally enable the plug’s own access point for local changes; it runs offline and reconnects when Wi‑Fi returns. [Elektroda, exti, post #19841895]

Will Tasmota remember schedules after a power cut?

Yes. Tasmota stores the schedule and resumes it after power returns. As noted, it “will remember after a power reset.” You can run fully offline and still keep timers. [Elektroda, exti, post #19841895]

Can I use a timer or smart socket to cut power to a laptop?

Be cautious. Replacing a small power supply with a remote socket adds another powered device. That can reduce or erase any savings. Consider this before automating a laptop’s charger. [Elektroda, gkwiatkowski, post #19841684]

What’s a practical way to schedule a boiler twice a day?

Use a mechanical timer and set two one‑hour on‑windows. It is simple, robust, and does not depend on Wi‑Fi. Mechanical programmers are very reliable for repetitive schedules. [Elektroda, Mobali, post #19841546]
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