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A thermal imaging camera for electronics? InfiRay P2 PRO connected to a phone with macro lens

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    I would like to invite you to a presentation of a compact thermal imaging camera with a resolution of 256×192 and a frame rate of 25 Hz, with a measurement range of -20°C to +600°C. The device works directly with a phone and requires no external power supply. The low power consumption (up to 0.35 W) enables hours of operation without significantly draining the smartphone battery. The camera shown here can be purchased for around £800 - £1,000 depending on the shop.
    InfiRay P2 Pro thermal camera with USB-C and -20°C to +550°C range
    Compact thermal camera with optional magnetic macro lens attachment
    Set contents and first commissioning
    The camera is available in USB C (for Android) and Lightning (for iPhone) versions. In addition, it is worth noting whether you are buying a kit with a macro lens - this will be essential for electronics.
    Black P2 Pro box with technical label and QR code on the bottom. Black box with “Thermal Master” label and eye graphic on the manual insert
    An extension cable is also included. The macro lens is attached magnetically - it is easy to remove. In addition, we have a lens hood.
    Compact InfiRay thermal camera with USB-C connector and removed lens cap InfiRay P2 Pro thermal camera kit with accessories and manuals
    The phone detects the camera straight away, although in my case it wanted to run the wrong app as needed.
    Smartphone with thermal camera connected via USB-C cable
    You need to download P2 pro from Google Play and give it the desired permissions.
    Screenshot showing P2 Pro app being installed from Google Play Store Screenshot of thermal camera app in photo mode showing a building’s heat signature Settings menu of thermal imaging app with Professional Thermometry mode enabled
    The application greets us with a short tutorial and a presentation of its capabilities:
    Thermal image of an electronic device with clearly heated component in bright colors Screenshot of thermal camera app in specialist temperature measurement mode. Thermal camera app screen with image settings and environmental correction menu.
    Then we need to accept the privacy policy and grant the mentioned permissions. You need permissions for the camera (allows you to overlay the camera image on the corner of the camera view), for the USB camera itself (of course) and for the files (write and read):
    P2 Pro app prompt asking for access to the USB camera device Privacy policy consent popup in the P2 Pro app with thermal image in background Thermal camera app permission prompt on smartphone screen
    Permission prompt from P2 Pro app requesting access to camera on Android phone P2 Pro app permission prompt asking for access to photos and media P2 Pro app prompt asking for USB camera access on smartphone screen

    First attempts
    I did my first tests even before changing the palette to one more associated with electronics. I also tested everything without the macro lens. The first fire went to everyday objects and my surroundings:
    Thermal image of a power adapter with marked temperatures of 30.6°C and 23.8°C
    The camera can see the hot spots inside the pulse power supply to the router.
    Thermal image of a jar with warm contents and color-coded temperature markers.
    The P2 PRO can also detect if the tea is warm. Analogously with a kettle, you can even judge the water level, even though its casing is not transparent.
    Thermal image of an electric kettle with labeled temperatures
    Here after the boil has been switched on, and in the background an interesting fact - the supply line is also heating up and the camera can see this. So you can judge which wire is heating up (probably due to the high current):
    Thermal image of an electric kettle showing 54.7°C on its body
    Here a short test in the fridge - I don't know where the 30°C jumped from:
    Thermal image of a box with items showing varying temperatures
    Laptop power supply - here the walls are thicker and there's probably shielding, so you can't see as well which sections are heating up:
    Thermal image of a smartphone showing 38.9°C and 39.3°C hot spots on its surface
    Open window - you can see where the heat is escaping:
    Thermal image of a leaky window showing temperatures –2.9°C and 15.9°C
    Then I changed the palette .
    Another interesting test was to see if you could see the heat 'left' by your hand on the table:



    Radiators and windows:
    Thermal image of radiator and heating pipes with marked 14.7°C temperature
    Thermal image of wires showing temperature points at 48.8°C and 7.7°C
    Settings:
    Temperature settings screen with burn protection enabled in the thermal camera app Temperature alarm settings screen in thermal camera application Settings screen showing temperature unit selection: °C, °F, K
    There is even burn protection - protection against sensor overheating. I have not tested this in practice.

    Tests with electronics
    This is how the power supply is tested with an LD35 (or LD25) artificial load:
    Thermal image of power supply and circuit with visible heat points
    Now it's time for a close-up - after fitting a macro lens:
    Thermal image of electronic components showing temperatures of 45.8°C, 41.4°C, and 23.3°C
    Thermal image of a PCB showing temperature labels on various components
    Thermal image of electronics with heat spots at 46.3°C and 42.2°C
    This is fine, but what about the finer components? A short circuit on an SMD transistor:
    Thermal image shows electronic components with hotspots at 27.6°C and 23.6°C
    And in the macro:
    Thermal image of a PCB showing an overheated electronic component
    The camera also detects minor heating of the USB cable when charging the phone:

    LED light from Tasmota firmware:
    Thermal image of an electronic component with visible hot and cold spots
    Close-up of a PCB with electronic components and 25V capacitors
    Thermal image of a circuit board with temperatures marked at three points
    LED TV motherboard:
    Back of TV with main circuit board and electronic components exposed Back of TV with main circuit board and electronic components exposed
    Thermal image of a device's mainboard with hotspots up to 70.8°C
    So the transistors and resistor (shunt) from the inverter for the LED backlight are heating up:
    Thermal image of motherboard showing hot spots at 46.6°C and 81.8°C
    Thermal close-up of an electronic circuit with 85.1°C and 70.9°C hotspots
    Thermal image of an electronic component with three temperature measurement points
    The T-Con is also heating up:
    Thermal image of an electronic circuit with marked temperatures: 47.5°C, 30.5°C, and 17.3°C
    With a macro lens - what heats up on the T-Con:
    Thermal image of PCB with hot integrated circuit at 48.7°C
    Thermal view of a PCB showing hot spots near integrated circuits
    Thermal image of a PCB with hot spots marked at 57.3°C and 35.9°C
    You can even see the transistor heating up in the SOT-23 housing.

    Emissivity factor setting
    The emissivity setting is key to obtaining reliable temperature measurements, although it can be omitted in cases where you do not care about the numerical value and just want to search for hot and cold spots. This option is available when you click on the 'ball' on the screen, where you can set the ambient temperature, distance to the object and other image parameters.
    Thermal image of a USB power adapter with connected cable showing hot areas. Thermal camera app screenshot with settings menu and visible hot object Screenshot of thermal camera app with emissivity and temperature settings.


    Available palettes
    Let's take a look at some more available colour palettes using an example with a kettle boiling water:
    A set of thermal images of a kettle showing various color palette options.


    Summary
    A very useful gadget. It's hassle-free to launch, the phone is more likely to be carried by everyone anyway, and versions are available for both Android and iPhone. The whole thing is certainly useful for many applications, such as:
    - looking for overheating components, short circuits
    - looking for hot wires
    - finding out where heat is escaping, leaking windows, etc
    - checking whether heating is working (underfloor heating and more)
    What surprised me most, however, was how nicely you can see what is completely imperceptible - e.g. warm fingerprints, etc.
    I will definitely find this camera useful for many presentations.
    Do you also use thermal imaging cameras, and if so, which models?

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  • #2 21770950
    gulson
    System Administrator
    Well, now the appliance reviews will have thermal tests.
    You can check the famous 230V blacklisted strips, when loaded at rated conditions ;)
    It will be interesting to see where the heat is released there.
  • #3 21771016
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    Oy, it will be tested, that's a fact. The slats are already firing to be tested.
    Although this three year old one:
    Power strip with separate switches for sockets and USB charger - interior, quality...
    Thermal image of a power strip with one switch heated to 89.5°C
    It might also be useful to visit some of my themes 'after years' and assess how some products hold up. The presented strip, for example, is holding up reasonably well, although one pin has fallen off and one socket already connects poorly. Nevertheless, I use it, mainly out of curiosity to see how long it lasts.

    At the same time, however, I must point out that, at this point, not all the topics will be with thermal imaging photos - I simply prepared some of the material before I bought the camera, and I will post them anyway. I'm just pointing this out so that readers don't feel disappointed.
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  • #4 21771032
    gulson
    System Administrator
    One could revisit topics where such a study would have been useful. Certainly in the case of some slats where there were suspected savings on materials.
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  • #5 21771043
    lemgo
    Level 15  
    Surprisingly good:
    - phone after unlocking with pin
    - phone after unlocking with pattern
    - aTM after pin entry

    I still used to evaluate the scooter after the ride, including brakes and motors

    Try connecting to a computer, even without a dedicated app
  • #6 21771169
    tesla97
    Level 20  
    I use exactly the same InfiRay P2 PRO but connect to a computer with the SharpInfraredAnalyzer application.
  • #7 21771234
    lemgo
    Level 15  
    >>21771169 Share any link? I think I have a google ban :(
    :)
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  • #8 21771312
    chemik_16
    Level 26  
    You can get tooltop t7 cheaper, 460 regular, 360 on promo.
    I use the first better app tc001
  • #9 21771802
    Ambrozy
    Level 15  
    Are the cameras from alledrogo for 749,- or 785,- zł ? I am thinking about buying one.
  • #10 21771813
    tesla97
    Level 20  
    >>21771234

    Link

    Almost at the bottom of the page
    "PC Software
    P2 Pro for windows"
  • #11 21771841
    p.kaczmarek2
    Moderator Smart Home
    lemgo wrote:

    - phone after unlocking with pin
    - phone after unlocking with pattern

    It doesn't work on me, you can't see what was pressed - I guess heat escapes faster from the phone than from a wooden table top.


    Ambrozy wrote:
    Are the cameras from alledrogo for £749,- or £785,- these ? I am considering buying.

    When choosing just make sure the macro lens is included, and make sure you take the Android (or iPhone - whichever you prefer) versions

    By the way, such an interesting opinion I found:
    Screenshot of a review about the TC001 thermal camera, its use, and software issues
    It doesn't crash for me.
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  • #12 21774983
    VIGOR_PICTURES
    Level 21  
    By the way, I wonder why they haven't yet come up with the idea of overlaying camera and camcorder images. I had something like this on the Ulefone Armour. All you had to do was 'calibrate' the image by stretching and stacking the camera image on top of the webcam image. An algorithm then bumped up the detail of the one from the thermal camera based on the image from the regular camera.
    As for the camcorder - my father-in-law has been using it for over six months now and has had absolutely zero problems.
  • #13 21775923
    tesla97
    Level 20  
    VIGOR_PICTURES wrote:
    It was enough to "calibrate" the image


    Probably because of this "calibration" precisely. In a professional camera there are two sensors side by side close together and yet there is an offset depending on the distance of the object.

    When the camera is in the USB port and the phone's camera on the other side, not much movement of the phone will always divert this calibration. Unless you are looking "camera" at an object much further away then it will be better.
  • #14 21776005
    CMS
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    I own this https://www.mediaexpert.pl/foto-i-kamery/kame...CEYyq2kqn9PQR9lRVngaXrGEhEvwpGSIaAvlMEALw_wcB and although the lenses are close together the calibration is for a specific distance from the object. Changing this distance even slightly causes images to drift apart and has to be corrected. On the other hand, I really like the ability to adjust how much the images should "blend". Unfortunately, the refresh rate of 9Hz can sometimes be annoying. I'm slowly working my way towards one with a refresh rate of 25Hz.
  • #15 21776474
    viayner
    Level 43  
    Hello,
    i am puzzled by the quality and price of such devices, I am looking here from a technical point of view as I work with IR and spectroscopy.
    Temperature measurement is the measurement of a wavelength, or rather radiation of a specific wavelength.
    The problem is that if we are talking about room temperatures, the wavelength is of the order of 10-14 µm, and such detectors are very, very expensive, they are special materials, expensive and not very available. It would be simpler with high temperatures, because it's only a few µm wavelength.
    The price of 1000 PLN = 250 € is ridiculous for a detector in the 14 µm range and lenses for this wavelength. The power consumption indicates that this is not a cooled detector.
    This is by the way.
    Regards
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  • #16 21784620
    tzok
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    The camera heats up quite a bit during operation and periodically does a calibration with the iris. It works very well, I have had it for a long time; mine is still in the previous version (P2 without PRO) branded by Infisense and without the macro lens (I made it myself from a CVD ZnSe 101.6mm lens and a housing from 3D printing). It works sensationally, not only in electronics diagnostics, but also on the car (e.g. brake temperature comparison) or in thermal inspection of buildings.
  • #17 21803602
    grala1
    VAG group specialist
    After reading this article, I also decided to buy myself a thermal imaging camera.
    I chose the Tooltop T7.
    Apparently the same resolution and frequency and the price is lower so why overpay.
    The internet is full of films or photos of people showing that you can see the pipes in the floor, the ones from the underfloor heating.
    I bought a camera precisely in order to know which way the underfloor heating pipes go.
    The problem is that you can't see them with this camera.
    It doesn't matter from what distance you look at it.

    Thermal image of a floor with visible underfloor heating pipes Red underfloor heating pipes attached to mesh-patterned foil Thermal image showing underfloor heating pipes embedded in concrete floor
    Here, for example, photos from a building where the water temperature on the boiler is about 20 degrees. The air temperature in the building about 16.
    You can see that the pipes are lost in the floor.

    I thought maybe it was the fault that the temperature was too low.
    I checked this in another new building where someone already lives and we have a normally heated building here.

    Thermal image of floor with temperature labels and outline of footwear Thermal image of a floor with no clear underfloor heating pipe patterns
    You can't see it either.
    Here a picture from the garage. The water temperature in the system is the same as in the living area but the air temperature in the room is lower.

    Thermal image of a floor showing temperatures from 15.2°C to 22.2°C Thermal image of an indoor space showing temperatures from 15.2°C to 22.8°C
    Here the tubes are already at a greater distance from each other - 20cm. As if there was something already visible here.
    Maybe due to the fact that there is a greater temperature difference between the floor and the air.

    Do any of you have the possibility to check if you can see the pipes in the underfloor heating on his camera?

    I don't know if this can only be seen when someone raises the temperature or maybe when they have just switched the heating on.
    Maybe you can't see it normally though.

    I have not changed any settings in the app.
  • #18 21803666
    chemik_16
    Level 26  
    You can see, you just have tiles like that. It's not an x-ray ;)
    If you spread the heat evenly it won't show.

    Thermal image of a floor showing uneven heat distribution Thermal image showing temperatures from 15.3°C to 21.9°C
  • #19 21803672
    tzok
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    You can manually limit the temperature dynamic range, then you will see them better. You will see them best when you have a cooled floor and let the heating go to the maximum. There is also one condition - the floor must be dry (in volume, not just on the surface). You can definitely see the electric heating better.
  • #20 21803676
    grala1
    VAG group specialist
    You can't see it in mine.
    The pictures are from two buildings.
    In the one with the lower temperature you can't see anything.
    In the other building where there is normal heating, where you can see the outline, it is actually in the garage where there are no tiles on the floor. In the house there are panels or tiles and there are no outlines visible anymore.
    Maybe this camera of mine is weaker.
    Which one are you using?
    You can see from the software that it's more like InfiRay but apparently ToolTop works on this software too.
    Is this a photo of the floor in normal use of the house, or is it a specially turned up temperature or some other washes?
    What is your water temperature there?
    From what they show on the internets that's where you can see it more clearly.

    As for the electric heating it is closer to the tiles or panels, there is not so much concrete there to play it supposedly be visible.

    In the car the mats in the seats or steering wheel can be seen.

    Thermal image of a steering wheel showing temperature range from -12.8°C to 19.9°C Thermal image of two car seats with visible heating pad patterns.


    How can this dynamic range be reduced?

    These cameras supposedly have the same parameters but the reality may be different

    Thanks for your feedback.
  • #21 21803687
    tzok
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    In advanced mode you have the option to manually adjust the range of temperatures imaged, a bar like this on the right side of the screen. At least in the software from InfiRay this is how it works....
  • #22 21803740
    chemik_16
    Level 26  
    the software from any ir camera will work. these cameras only do the image ;p the rest is already processed in the app, the temperature is calculated, etc.
    i also have a t7.
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