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The phenomenon of tube-based audio equipment sound: myths and reality

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  • The piece argues against “tube sound” myths in home audio power amplifiers, comparing valve and transistor designs for faithful Hi-Fi reproduction.
  • It says objective Hi-Fi needs wide, even frequency response and low THD, while valve amplifiers are limited by output transformers and nonlinearity.
  • Valve amplifiers usually reach only 10–50 kHz and the best examples still show 1–2% THD, versus about 0.1% acceptable in quality equipment.
  • Double-ended circuits outperform single-ended ones with 3–4 times more output power, better linearity, and less core saturation.
  • A kenotron rectifier may soften clipping distortions, but the author считает the benefit minor and mostly irrelevant for normal listening.
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  • In my previous article on audio sound quality, I discussed germanium transistors in audio amplification circuits, which generated a great deal of interest and lively discussion. In the article below, we will discuss the phenomenon of tube sound, which has recently enjoyed great popularity. A multitude of companies producing tube-based audio equipment have sprung up, and specialist magazines advertise it as the uncompromising choice for ‘true’ audiophiles. This trend has even reached motherboard manufacturers (AOpen AX4B-533 Tube).

    The phenomenon of tube-based audio equipment sound: myths and reality


    I’m at an age where I still remember valve-based receivers, record players and amplifiers. My earliest experiences were with analogue valve designs. And, to be honest, I still enjoy working with valves. They do have certain advantages… but this doesn’t apply to sound quality. To be frank, I’m not in favour of using valves in high-quality audio circuits. Why? Let me explain.
    I’ll make it clear straight away that I’m talking solely about audio amplifiers here – that is, the final stage of a home audio system fed by record players, tape recorders or tuners. My suggestions do not apply to amplifier circuits or the shaping of the sound of a guitar or other musical instruments. These devices operate on different principles and are a topic for other articles.

    The entire history of audio equipment has been driven by the aim of reproducing a musical track as accurately as possible (Hi-Fi, or High Fidelity). This means that a recording played back by the user at home was intended to sound exactly the same as it did in the recording studio. From an objective point of view, sound quality requires a wide frequency range, uniformity across that range, a low total harmonic distortion (THD) figure, and that is essentially all.

    The frequency range of modern music tracks extends from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz and beyond, but the human ear cannot hear sounds above approximately 15 kHz. Another point is that the wider the frequency response, the better its uniformity. Although this is not always noticeable, every designer or manufacturer strives to achieve the best possible uniformity. And perhaps rightly so.

    The THD parameter specifies the percentage of harmonics in an audio signal. As is well known, when a signal passes through a non-linear element, unwanted (in the case of Hi-Fi) harmonics are generated. For example, amplifying a 1 kHz signal results in the generation of spurious signals at frequencies of 2, 3, 4, 5, … kHz. The lower the first harmonic content, the better the THD performance.

    What is the situation with valve and transistor amplifiers?

    The frequency response of a valve amplifier is limited by the characteristics of the transformer and usually does not exceed 10–50 kHz. Linearity is even worse. Whilst it is reasonably even in the range from 100 to 5000 Hz, it deteriorates significantly both below and above this range. A transformer – at least an output transformer – is essential for matching the high impedance of the valve to the low impedance of the loudspeaker. There are valve circuits without transformers and ways of constructing them, but the laws of physics cannot be circumvented – iron and windings have their own characteristics within a specific frequency range. Whilst the unevenness is practically imperceptible in the 200–5000 Hz range, it deteriorates sharply above or below this range.

    The phenomenon of tube-based audio equipment sound: myths and reality


    I came across some graphs in the specifications for valve amplifiers showing very good results, but it was an advert for equipment costing as much as a luxury car. So even if it were true, it wouldn’t be cost-effective. Transistor amplifiers have an almost unlimited frequency response — from 20 Hz right up to several MHz — and incomparably better linearity.
    As for THD — in high-quality equipment, a level of around 0.1% is acceptable. Lower values are inaudible to the average person. The best valve amplifiers achieve 1–2%. This is something almost anyone can notice. However, according to advocates of valve equipment, this is not a problem, as these distortions are of a different nature and are perceived as pleasant. This means that they are not concerned with faithfully reproducing the original sound. In reality, even Hi-Fi enthusiasts do not hear the original sound in its entirety, because — as one of our readers rightly pointed out — it depends to a large extent on the room in which the music is played. However, given modern circumstances, more and more people are opting for headphones. Tube amplifiers are also used with these.

    According to some audio enthusiasts, valve equipment is characterised by a predominance of even harmonics, whilst transistor equipment is characterised by an odd-harmonic bias. This is true, but it applies to all valve equipment and only to cheap – very cheap – transistor amplifiers. Assessing the pleasure derived from the presence of even or odd harmonics is a subjective matter. For example, I would prefer no harmonics, or as few as possible, rather than ‘pleasant’-sounding even harmonics.

    Single-ended amplifier

    The phenomenon of tube-based audio equipment sound: myths and reality


    Double-ended power amplifiers deliver better results in terms of sound quality (both objective and subjective). The diagrams below show configurations with two transformers and with a single transformer.

    The phenomenon of tube-based audio equipment sound: myths and reality


    The single-transformer circuit diagram is slightly more complex and requires a minimal tolerance range for the values of components C4–C5, R6–R7 and the parameters of tubes VL2–VL3. This means that it is necessary to select components from several individual units.

    Schematic of a tube amplifier with 6N2P and 6P3SE tubes, TR2 transformer, and a speaker output


    A double-ended amplifier configuration is characterised by 3–4 times greater output power (at the same voltage), which has a beneficial effect on linearity and reduces distortion. Linearity is also improved by the transformer’s operating mode, as the reversal of current direction almost eliminates core saturation. In single-ended amplifiers, direct current always flows through the transformer winding. The same phenomenon occurs in double-ended circuits with two transformers. Given the higher power output of double-ended circuits, a power supply with a higher current capacity should be used.

    Some audiophiles claim that a valve amplifier loses its advantages if it is not powered by a rectifier using valve diodes (kenotrons). And, surprisingly, I can agree with this — not entirely, but a kenotron does indeed have a positive effect on the sound in certain operating modes. When the amplifier draws high currents, for example at high input signal levels (clipping), the dynamic resistance of a semiconductor diode rises sharply, In the case of a vacuum tube diode, however, it rises slightly more slowly, which means that the resulting distortions have a gentler waveform. This is illustrated in the figure below.

    Graph paper drawing of sine-like waves labeled “Dioda lampowa” and “Dioda półprzew.”


    Unfortunately, I am unable to test this theory, but it sounds quite plausible. Another point — it doesn’t really matter, as nobody listens to music in overdrive mode.
    Conclusion: despite the above, I’d still like to build a low-power valve amplifier, simply because I like the design of this sort of equipment when the valve is visible and glowing. I’m not enough of an audiophile to tell the difference between the sound of valve and transistor equipment.

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  • #2 21914330
    Itong
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    A key factor distinguishing the ‘transistor’ sound (metallic, gritty) from the ‘valve’ sound (soft, even velvety) – clearly in favour of valves – is the minimal TIM (Transient Intermodulation Distortion).
    This phenomenon was described in considerable detail in M. Feszczuk’s book entitled ‘Electroacoustic Amplifiers’.
  • #3 21914339
    andreyatakum
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    Itong wrote:
    Of course, this works in the tubes’ favour – there is minimal TIM (Transient Intermodulation Distortion).

    That’s true, I agree, but that applies to an ideal circuit with an ideal load; in practice, this cannot be achieved.
  • #4 21914414
    Fimek
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    >>21914330

    What? TIM distortion these days? In the age of op-amps, where the slew rate (the equivalent of TIM) is perfectly characterised?
  • Is a 1000 zł tube amplifier worth it?

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    Pan.Kropa
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    Reading this article reminded me of the days of cathode-ray tube televisions and the charm of glowing tubes. Out of curiosity, I had a look at tube amplifiers. And I have a question. There are amplifiers priced, say, at 1,000 zł. If I were to buy one (my wife would probably kick me out of the house if I bought a more expensive one), is it worth it? Or are the glowing tubes the only selling point? For years, I’ve been listening to the TV through external speakers connected to a transistor amplifier.
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  • #6 21914454
    andreyatakum
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    Pan.Kropa wrote:
    If I were to buy one like this (my wife would probably kick me out of the house if I bought a more expensive one), is it worth it?

    It’s a matter of taste. Many people enjoy listening to tube distortion. It has nothing to do with Hi-Fi, because even the best tube amplifier has a THD of 3–5 per cent. But some people like it. It’s worth having a listen and deciding for yourself.
  • #7 21914476
    modziul
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    >>21914314 This could be a hi-fi story. Personally, I was impressed by a valve amplifier salvaged from an old radio from the 1960s. No transistor amplifiers could match it, but that was a long time ago.
  • Vintage tubes can sound markedly different from modern ones

    #8 21914664
    viayner
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    Hello,
    I’ve already mentioned in various posts that I’m a fan of valve amplifiers and simplicity of design.
    On the other hand, faithful reproduction – that is, Hi-Fi – is a utopia. If we want to hear what the sound engineer achieved in the studio, that’s only possible in that studio. Any other way of listening inevitably alters the quality and sound, whether we like it or not. The sound from the studio is recorded in some form – vinyl, CD or a digital file – and this is where the first ‘interpretation’ or ‘modification’ occurs. There is no method that can reproduce the original 100 per cent; mathematically, it may come close, but it is never 100 per cent. Furthermore, the playback equipment, the power amplifier, the speakers and the listening room all add their own ‘two cents’.
    That is why I believe that relying solely on the amplifier’s specifications to determine how it sounds is a flawed approach. In reality, an amplifier should have a sound and tonal character that suits the listener, rather than a sterile sound that appeals to very few people.
    There are many aspects of sound that have not yet been mathematically quantified, and it is all these little details that make something sound pleasant or unpleasant.
    Is it right for someone to buy an expensive amplifier with superb technical specifications, only to listen to it even though it sounds terrible and sterile? Perhaps it’s the fear of looking like a ‘fool’ in front of their mates that makes them listen to it anyway.

    Now a bit about tubes. One of my friends asked whether an amplifier costing 1,000 PLN is worth anything. Price isn’t necessarily an indicator of sound quality. I prefer vintage tubes – those manufactured in the past – for many reasons: different materials, technology and build quality, etc. Contrary to what one might think, swapping a modern tube for a NOS one isn’t just a subtle difference; there’s a huge difference, noticeable even to those with less sensitive hearing. It all depends on how it’s designed, built, and what components have been used, and so on. It’s exactly the same as with transistor amplifiers. I believe that an amplifier should be listened to not so much in a shop, but in its intended location and on the speakers it is meant to work with. The overall context is hugely important. This is one of the reasons why I don’t understand posts along the lines of ‘what would be a good amplifier for xyz speakers?’ – for one brand (abc) versus another (def) – as reference systems and user preferences differ.
    Everyone is looking for something different in an audio system (I believe you can’t separate the amplifier from the speakers and the rest of the audio system – it’s a whole that sounds as one); some prefer the crackling or the clinking of glasses, others prefer high sound pressure levels, whilst others seek calmness, clarity and precision in the localisation of, for example, instruments.
    As I personally do not find every amplifier/speaker sound to my liking, I have long been searching for that specific sound and have finally achieved it with a tube amplifier I’ve just built and my own hand-built speakers.
    Just a quick note on the construction of valve amplifiers. The design and the components used are of considerable importance; the use of ‘Soviet’-style modern valves and standard transformers results in a ‘Chinese knock-off’ that merely claims to be a valve amplifier. With careful component selection, we don’t have to incur absurdly high costs whilst still achieving very good sound quality and excellent performance/specifications.

    I’ve seen a few posts in which the authors cited examples where experts at audio shows were unable to distinguish top-of-the-range equipment (or determine which was better) from low-end models. It all makes sense: under those specific conditions, an amplifier with superb specifications on paper simply didn’t sound right, whilst the poor specifications in the inferior equipment weren’t audible..
    Best regards.
  • Valve amplifier build started but left unfinished

    #9 21914724
    andreyatakum
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    viayner wrote:
    If we want to hear what the sound engineer achieves in the studio, this is only possible in that studio

    That’s true. I mentioned this in one of my posts. I’m not sure if I’ve managed to explain here that the tube sound isn’t better – it’s just different. Although, depending on the engineer in the studio, transistor equipment also produces a different sound to that in the studio.

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    Pan.Kropa wrote:
    Just out of curiosity, I had a look at valve amplifiers.

    Whilst visiting my home town, I put together the components to build the system shown in the picture below. I don’t know how it would sound, but it looks great.


    Tube amplifier in a wooden case with knobs and vacuum tubes, two wooden speakers in the background




    Unfortunately, I ran out of time; I had to leave the country urgently for obvious reasons.
  • #10 21914733
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    Hello,
    A valve amplifier will, by its very nature, sound slightly different from a comparable transistor amplifier, but that is precisely the point.
    This means that it’s impossible to say which one is better; it all depends on the listener’s preferences, rather than on absolute values for frequency response or low distortion.
    Best regards.
  • Output transformers and feedback dominate tube amp sound

    #11 21914759
    bsw
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    An interesting description of several designs, but the subject has been dealt with rather superficially. The selection of tubes is mentioned – here, it is important that, in push-pull circuits, the tubes are matched in terms of their parameters. Unfortunately, no simple method for eliminating distortion – namely negative feedback, whether deep, global or local – has been suggested.

    Nor was one very important issue mentioned – the influence of speaker transformers on the sound. For it is the transformer that plays a significant role – it must faithfully reproduce the entire range of acoustic frequencies – which is problematic. The sound quality depends on the quality of its construction – the many alternately wound sections (primary and secondary), the extreme care taken in winding them, and the quality of the core itself. Since precise winding of transformers is virtually impossible, ‘ultralinear’ designs have emerged in which part of the winding is used as local negative feedback, guaranteeing minimal distortion at the expense of power.

    Pan.Kropa wrote:
    There are amplifiers, say, priced at 1000zł. If I were to buy one (my wife would probably kick me out of the house if I bought a more expensive one), would it be worth it?

    No – it’s a waste of money. A single speaker transformer can cost that much, and you need two of them, plus a substantial mains transformer. On top of that, a set of good tubes is also an expense of around 1,000 PLN. To sum up – a new, factory-made valve amplifier for under 5k is just a toy that lights up.
    But I’m talking here about a ‘full’ valve amplifier – with no solid-state components in the audio path. Because there’s now a trend for so-called hybrid amplifiers, in which tubes are only used in the preamp to ‘warm up’ the sound, whilst the power amp stage is solid-state. Such an amplifier is available at the price mentioned above and might even sound all right…

    You can build such a ‘budget’ push-pull amplifier yourself – here are most of the electronic components:
    https://sklep.lampyelektronowe.pl/?1345,avt2754-zestaw-do-samodzielnego-montazu-wersja-pelna
    You can keep the cost of the enclosure under 2k :-)
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  • Matched push-pull tubes and negative feedback reduce distortion

    #12 21914887
    andreyatakum
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    bsw wrote:
    An interesting description of several designs, but the topic has been dealt with rather superficially. The selection of tubes is mentioned – here, it is important that, in push-pull circuits, the tubes are matched in terms of their parameters. Unfortunately, no mention is made of a simple method for eliminating distortion, namely negative feedback – whether deep, global or local.

    Thanks for the feedback. You’re right, but the aim of this article was to gauge interest in the topic. With the editor’s permission, I can continue by building circuits and testing various schematics using measurement equipment. Unfortunately, in my current situation, I am unable to do so, as I am travelling from country to country. But I hope that this will change soon. Then I will be able to promise to continue with this topic.
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  • #13 21914888
    bsw
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    andreyatakum wrote:
    Thanks for your feedback. You’re right, but the aim of this article was to gauge interest in the topic.
    [..]
    Then I’ll be able to consider continuing the topic.

    We look forward to the follow-up, then; in the meantime, I can recommend my short introductory column on the subject:
    Valve amplifiers – a bit of history, magic and... theory
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  • Budget push-pull tube amp parts and transformer sourcing

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    bsw wrote:
    No – it’s a waste of money. A single speaker transformer can cost that much, and you need two of them, plus a sizeable mains transformer. On top of that, a set of good valves is also an expense of around 1,000 PLN. To sum up – a new, factory-made valve amplifier for under 5k is nothing more than a glowing toy.
    But I’m talking here about a ‘full’ amplifier – with no solid-state components in the audio path. Because there’s now a trend for so-called hybrid amplifiers, in which tubes are only used in the preamp to ‘warm up’ the sound, whilst the power amp stage is solid-state. Such an amplifier is available at the price mentioned above and might even sound all right…

    You can build such a ‘budget’ push-pull amplifier yourself – here are most of the electronic components:
    https://sklep.lampyelektronowe.pl/?1345,avt2754-zestaw-do-samodzielnego-montazu-wersja-pelna
    You can keep the cost of the chassis under 2k :-)

    And what about output transformers? Because you can find quite a few on AliExpress… I’ve put together a couple of SE designs using parts from old TV circuit boards and I’m fascinated by this technology; for example, a transformer like this:
    https://a.aliexpress.com/_Eyu4hxu
    looks rather impressive compared to a TG5-53; you can see a substantial core and a primary inductance of 30H, so it should be possible to get a bit more bass out of it 🙂 as that’s something these TV transformers tend to lack a bit.
  • Modern valve transformers from AliExpress are weak

    #15 21915761
    viayner
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    Hello,
    Someone has already mentioned this recently; unfortunately, modern transformers tend to be rather ‘weak’ – I’ve learnt this the hard way. As a general rule, I wouldn’t recommend ‘valve’ transformers from AliExpress and similar sites, they’re really just mains transformers with an enlarged winding – I can’t think of any other way to describe them. The way transformers are calculated has also changed slightly, and the materials – the laminated steel – are made of a different sort of ‘iron’. Personally, I order my own transformers and so far, so good.
    Best regards
  • Custom output transformers are better than AliExpress ones

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    andreyatakum
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    maliniak80 wrote:
    And what about output transformers? Because you can find quite a few of them on AliExpress.


    It’s better to make transformers yourself. On AliExpress, as my colleague rightly pointed out, they’re mostly mains transformers labelled ‘acoustic’ or ‘output’. Why make them yourself? Because you need to calculate a whole host of parameters, and you’ll never find a ready-made one with the right specifications. Besides, there are ways to make better transformers than those used in the past. For example, winding methods. They require a lot of manual work, which is why they aren’t suitable for large-scale production.
    When I was younger, I didn’t like making transformers, but almost every design required one. Eventually, I learnt how to do it, and making transformers actually started to give me pleasure.
  • Buying speaker transformers is better than DIY

    #17 21915845
    bsw
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    andreyatakum wrote:
    It’s better to make transformers yourself.

    I disagree. It’s true that when you make something yourself, ‘you know what you’re getting’, but in the case of speaker transformers, making them correctly is very difficult, especially without the right tools. The materials aren’t cheap either (winding wire, cores, etc.), so, paradoxically, it won’t be any better or cheaper. In my opinion, if you lack experience, it’s better to buy a transformer or have one made to order, but only from reputable manufacturers. In Poland, speaker transformers are manufactured by companies such as Indel, Sizei, Telto, Torroidy and Ogonowski, as well as other smaller ‘artisans’ – there’s plenty to choose from.

    BTW: I recommend an excellent website on building valve amplifiers – here’s an article specifically about transformers:
    https://www.audioretro.pl/sid-13-tr-glosn.htm
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  • Ordering Chinese transformers for RH84 build

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    maliniak80
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    I know we need to support our local manufacturers, but I just wanted to step up a level from the old TG5 transformers, so I think I’ll go ahead and order these from China after all and see how they perform. I’m tempted to build the legendary RH84 design using better transformers. I remember the early 2000s when the budget Manta V5 designs appeared on the market, and quite a few people even wrote that they were decent – and they were Chinese, after all. The problem with winding them yourself is getting hold of the metal sheets.
  • Suggests local current feedback through output transformer secondary

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    maliniak80
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    kulmar wrote:
    While we’re on the subject of speaker transformers, here’s a link:
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3946219.html

    An interesting solution, mate; we’d need to check with an oscilloscope to see if it causes any artefacts in the output signal. And whilst we’re on the subject of transformers, has anyone tried implementing local current feedback in the cathodes of the power tubes – that is, routing the power tube cathode current through the cathode resistor and the secondary winding of the output transformer, something along the lines of the Sansui AU-70, although of course the transformers in that design are wound specifically for that purpose. My intuition tells me that such a solution should keep the speaker better under control. I’ll have to give it a go 🙂
  • #22 21916091
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    maliniak80 wrote:
    That’s an interesting solution, mate; we’d need to check with an oscilloscope to see if it causes any artefacts in the output signal.

    The frequency response was measured using an oscilloscope. There was nothing suspicious there. And that transistor circuit from the diagram played music quite nicely – without any negative feedback.
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    andreyatakum
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    kulmar wrote:
    The transfer characteristics were recorded using an oscilloscope.

    What sort? I don’t really trust modern digital oscilloscopes. When checking audio equipment, I’d prefer to use old tube oscilloscopes (i.e. the ‘bank’ type). Short voltage spikes can only be detected on those. But I haven’t used modern oscilloscopes for very long, so I may be wrong.
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    andreyatakum wrote:
    Short voltage spikes are only noticeable on these.

    And what sort of ‘voltage spikes’ do you expect in what is, in essence, a linear circuit with a limited bandwidth?
  • Speaker transformers can use salvaged cores

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    bsw wrote:
    It’s true that when you make things yourself, ‘you know what you’re getting’, but in the case of speaker transformers, making them correctly is very difficult,

    It’s not as difficult as it seems. So I wouldn’t suggest making the laminated sheets yourself and cutting the cores out of them. You can use ready-made cores, for example from a broken mains transformer. Winding wire is available in shops. I really don’t know how expensive it is. Poland is one of the largest producers of copper… as far as I know.

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    kulmar wrote:
    And what sort of ‘voltage spikes’ do you expect in what is essentially a linear circuit with a limited bandwidth?

    Perhaps I didn’t explain myself clearly, but whilst testing an amplifier based on silicon transistors, built according to an operational amplifier circuit diagram, I’ve observed a ‘sawtooth’ waveform on more than one occasion as the sine wave passes through zero. A few nV. I’m not sure how much this affects the sound, as the frequency is beyond my hearing range.

    Added after 11 [minutes]:

    kulmar wrote:
    Since we’re on the subject of speaker transformers, I’ll throw this topic in:

    I’ve had a quick look – an interesting solution...
  • Sawtooth zero-crossing artifact in transistor amp

    #26 21916193
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    andreyatakum wrote:
    Perhaps I’ve phrased it badly, but whilst testing an amplifier based on silicon transistors, built according to an operational amplifier circuit diagram, I’ve observed a ‘sawtooth’ waveform on more than one occasion as the sine wave passed through zero. A few nV. I don’t know to what extent this affects the sound, as the frequency is beyond my hearing range.

    I haven’t carried out any detailed investigations. This is merely a model circuit intended to confirm the viability of such a solution. I’m passing this on to anyone interested for further investigation in a real valve-based circuit.
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    kulmar wrote:
    . I’m passing this on to anyone interested for further investigation in a real tube circuit.

    Once I’ve moved house again, if necessary, and set up my new laboratory, I’ll test it. I’m adding it to my plan.
  • Soviet tubes are not the main problem

    #28 21916935
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    viayner wrote:
    The use of ‘Soviet’-style modern tubes and standard transformers means we end up with a ‘Chinese knock-off’ that claims to be a tube amplifier.

    What about these Soviet tubes? Even on Russian forums, people are complaining and recommending imported ones (which surprises me these days). Back in my tube-loving youth, I really didn’t have any tubes other than Soviet ones. It seems to me that the vacuum is more or less the same everywhere. The problem lies with the crystals used in semiconductors – the purity of the material, how the leads are connected, and so on. I thought everything was fine with tubes in that respect.
  • Ready-made transformer cores recommended over DIY laminations

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    andreyatakum wrote:
    kulmar wrote:
    And what sort of ‘voltage spikes’ do you expect in what is essentially a linear circuit with a limited bandwidth?

    Perhaps I didn’t express myself clearly, but whilst testing an amplifier based on silicon transistors, built according to an operational amplifier circuit diagram, I have on more than one occasion observed a ‘sawtooth’ waveform when the sine wave passes through zero. A few nV. I’m not sure how much this affects the sound, as the frequency is beyond my hearing range.


    I can’t imagine measuring voltages in nV with an old oscilloscope; perhaps you meant mV. You’ll see everything clearly on a digital oscilloscope, provided it has sufficient memory, and you can even zoom in with a magnifying glass.

    andreyatakum wrote:
    bsw wrote:
    Admittedly, when you make things yourself, ‘you know what you’re getting’, but in the case of speaker transformers, making them correctly is very difficult,

    It’s not as difficult as it seems. So I wouldn’t suggest making the laminated sheets yourself and cutting the cores out of them. You can use ready-made cores, for example from a broken mains transformer. Winding wire is available in shops. I really don’t know how expensive it is. Poland is one of the largest producers of copper… as far as I know.


    Copper is copper; the point is the permeability of the sheet metal used to make the speaker transformer.
  • Modern Soviet tubes sound worse than vintage ones

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    viayner
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    Hello,
    andreyatakum wrote:
    viayner wrote:
    The use of ‘Soviet’-style modern tubes and standard transformers results in a ‘Chinese knock-off’ that claims to be a tube amplifier.

    What about these Soviet tubes? Even on Russian forums, people are complaining and recommending imported ones (which surprises me these days). Back in my tube-amplifier-loving childhood, I really didn’t have any tubes other than Soviet ones. It seems to me that the vacuum is more or less the same everywhere. The problem lies with the crystals used in semiconductors – the purity of the material, how the leads are connected, and so on. I thought everything was fine with tubes in that respect.

    In my view, it’s not so much a question of technology – since that was taken over from the old factories – but rather of materials, or perhaps design simplifications or the precision of manufacture.
    Generally speaking, modern Soviet valves are acceptable in instrument amplifier circuits, and are even sometimes recommended for their cold or sharp sound. In audio equipment, this sounds as unpleasant as a poorly designed Class B transistor amplifier circuit with a ‘dash’ of Class C, resulting in quite high TIM distortion.
    I’ve tested many tubes, and even Polam or Tesla sound better than the modern ones.
    I also have some old Soviet tubes, and they’re much better than the modern ones.
    Best regards.
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