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The phenomenon of tube-based audio equipment sound: myths and reality

andreyatakum 2148 38

TL;DR

  • The piece argues against “tube sound” myths in home audio power amplifiers, comparing valve and transistor designs for faithful Hi-Fi reproduction.
  • It says objective Hi-Fi needs wide, even frequency response and low THD, while valve amplifiers are limited by output transformers and nonlinearity.
  • Valve amplifiers usually reach only 10–50 kHz and the best examples still show 1–2% THD, versus about 0.1% acceptable in quality equipment.
  • Double-ended circuits outperform single-ended ones with 3–4 times more output power, better linearity, and less core saturation.
  • A kenotron rectifier may soften clipping distortions, but the author считает the benefit minor and mostly irrelevant for normal listening.
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  • Modern Electro Harmonix 6922 outperformed NOS tubes

    #31 21917403
    bsw
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    viayner wrote:
    I’ve got some old Soviet tubes too, and they’re much better than the modern ones.

    Hmm – my experience has been different.

    I once built a small hybrid headphone amplifier and tested several so-called NOS (new old stock) tubes in it, including the Tesla ECC88, Tesla E88CC Gold, Philips SQ and the Soviet 6N23P. The latter actually sounded quite alright, but it had terrible microphonic distortion. As for new tubes, I tested the Russian Electro Harmonix 6922, and that one sounded superb...
    Helpful post? Buy me a coffee.
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  • Availability of genuine Soviet-era tubes in auctions

    #32 21917460
    andreyatakum
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    viayner wrote:
    I’ve got some old Soviet tubes too, and they’re much better than the modern ones.


    I understand now. You meant quasi ‘Soviet’ ones, i.e. modern ones. Unfortunately, I’ve never had any experience with them. Only with the genuine old ones. Oh well. I’ll bear that in mind. In Russia, they still sell Soviet-era tubes at auctions, even new ones from old stockpiles. Very cheaply. Unfortunately, they can’t be shipped to Europe these days. In Kazakhstan, there are far fewer listings. I even had a look at the market in Astana yesterday. Nothing there. I did come across some in Tbilisi. In Turkey, there were just a couple of listings for American tubes, and that was it.
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  • Measured 1.9 W tube amp with strong bass

    #33 21917677
    rosomak19
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    A while ago, I was building a standard single-ended amplifier using ECL86 tubes; initially, I used the TG2.5 transformers I had, but they severely limited the frequency response. I had one TG5-46-666, so I decided to buy a second one. Although there isn’t much low-end response, the bass is almost subwoofer-like on certain tracks. And that’s the thing with these valve amps: when I measured it on a dummy load at 8 ohms, this little chap’s power output was a hefty 1.9W (without clipping the sine wave peaks). But how is it that this little thing, despite its 1.9W, can produce such bass that the doors shake and it’s really loud? With that kind of power on a transistor, it would have died ages ago. I’m currently building my ultimate amplifier using 11 valves and toroidal transformers. After the first test of the power amplifier stage alone (one channel), I’m feeling optimistic. So far, there’s no hum; you can put your ear to the speaker and hear nothing – it’s as if it’s switched off. Of course, I’m not some sort of tube fanatic and I enjoy listening on my transistor amp.
  • Recording compression and speaker pairing shape amp sound

    #34 21918648
    rezasurmar
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    The thing is that a lot of today’s recordings are heavily boosted in terms of dynamics and run through a compressor. Practically most of what’s on current streaming services, such as Spotify.
    A valve amp is far more forgiving; a transistor amp is not.

    Besides, a lot also depends on which speakers you pair the amplifier with – whether they’re warm-sounding speakers with fabric dome tweeters, or sharp-sounding horn-loaded speakers, and so on.

    I myself was fascinated by valve amplifiers back when I owned a Radmor 5102, which also had a rather soft sound. For a while, I even listened to music on a SUPREME 60 valve guitar amplifier.
    And even a poorly designed transistor amplifier with a high damping factor and limited frequency response can have a ‘tube-like’ – that is, a dark – tonal character. Just as there are tube designs capable of producing a very bright sound.

    I’d love to test something like the Fiio Warmer with my current setup.
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  • Valve preamp allows adjustable tone shaping

    #35 21918927
    rosomak19
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    It’s just that I don’t have some sort of obsession with building the power amp itself, only to then waste money in a ridiculous way on other tubes or RC components, just to boost a particular frequency range, for example. Because it turns out that the amplifier sounds flat and uninspired. That’s why I’ve built a valve preamp and can tailor the sound to my liking at any time, simply by turning a knob. And just in case, you could add a ‘direct’ button using relays .
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  • TIM distortion is an outdated transistor-era issue

    #36 21920892
    Andrzej Ł
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    A gritty sound and TIM distortion were problems associated with older transistor designs from over 50 years ago, when transistors were still relatively ‘slow’– That’s long since history, yet the topic is still being harped on today as if there were a serious problem. It’s like still going on about the problems with carburettor engines, when fuel injection has been around for over 30 years and those problems have long since been consigned to oblivion.
  • #37 21920995
    rosomak19
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    Andrzej Ł wrote:
    where fuel injection has been in use for over 30 years and those problems have long since been consigned to history.

    Well, not quite – they’re a thing of the past, but what about the lawnmowers? XD
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    Andrzej Ł
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    It won’t be long now – EURO7 will finish them off....
  • #39 21921109
    andreyatakum
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    rosomak19 wrote:
    Well, not quite – they’ve gone, but what about the lawnmowers? XD

    or piston-engine aeroplanes......
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