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Ferguson AF 5018 CI Antenna Setup: Boosting Signal Quality from 0%, Signal Strength at 92%

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Jak ustawić antenę Ferguson AF 5018 CI, gdy siła sygnału wynosi około 92%, a jakość pozostaje na 0%?

Najpierw nie szukaj „wzmocnienia” w samej antenie — przy 92% siły i 0% jakości tuner zwykle widzi zły satelitę albo ma złe parametry transpondera, więc trzeba ustawić odbiór na pewny, aktualny transponder Hot Bird i dopiero wtedy stroić antenę [#3626724][#3611962] Po resecie wgraj aktualną listę kanałów/transponderów, a podczas strojenia wykonuj bardzo małe ruchy lewo/prawo i góra/dół, czekając chwilę po każdej korekcie, bo dekoder reaguje z opóźnieniem [#3611962][#3603212][#3612064] W antenie offsetowej konwerter ma patrzeć w środek czaszy, a sama antena zwykle jest pochylona bardziej w stronę ziemi niż klasyczna parabola; ustaw też właściwy azymut i elewację dla swojej lokalizacji [#3603212][#3612064][#3625594] Sprawdź kabel między konwerterem a tunerem oraz poprawne podłączenie LNB, bo zły styk potrafi dawać samą siłę bez jakości [#3603212][#3612056] Jeśli nadal łapiesz tylko kilka transponderów, możliwy jest uszkodzony lub niewłaściwy konwerter albo problem w tunerze [#3612064][#3611455]
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  • #31 3618054
    jugo007
    Level 11  
    Hello, I follow this topic and I have some suggestions come to the stream I will borrow you a meter or I will help you do it greetings
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  • #32 3619923
    swirek
    Level 11  
    Wilcza street
    near Knurów, about 15 km. from Gliwice

    I have about 50 km to the stream. :>
    but thanks you for your offer
  • #33 3620645
    Lidzia
    Level 28  
    City: Knurów
    Voivodeship: Silesia
    Country: Poland, Poland
    Latitude: 50 ° 13 'N
    Longitude: 18 ° 40 'E
    Satellite: Hot Bird 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 6
    Position: 13.0 ° E
    Bandwidth: Ku
    Azimuth angle (Az): 07.0'W or 187.3574 'on the compass
    Elevation Angle (El): 32.3 '
    Bevel converter 04 'to the right

    Now take the compass, set the azimuth, tighten the grip bands
    so that it does not change. Now place the antenna vertically
    that is elevation 32.3 '
  • #34 3621223
    tomarex
    Level 24  
    Lidzia wrote:

    Azimuth angle (Az): 07.0'W or 187.3574 'on compass'

    Is there an amendment between the magnetic and geographic poles here? Because the satellite positions are given or the geographic pole, which is unfortunately elsewhere.
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  • #35 3621439
    swirek
    Level 11  
    the angle of the elevation probably a bit too big?
    I have a problem :) can it be done without a compass?
  • #36 3621895
    Lidzia
    Level 28  
    http://www.satkurier.pl/azel/ here you have a calculator. without a compass, but you need an analog tuner to set TVN on it and look, set the antenna according to the advice of users who want to help you
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  • #37 3622454
    tomarex
    Level 24  
    @Lidzia where did you get the elevation angle 32 ° 3´ because I have 38.8757. Anyway, there is also a mistake in other places.
    After that, I will answer my previous question myself, the calculator does not take into account the so-called magnetic declination, i.e. in Poland, i.e. about 1 °. Maybe it is not much, but it is pointless to be as precise as such a big error and there is nothing about it in the text.
    So using such a helper is pointless, even ignoring the influence of the antenna on the compass.
  • #38 3625028
    swirek
    Level 11  
    I also got 38 but this angle will not work:> at least for me.
    Amosa also writes that I think 32 * now I do not remember exactly and I have much less
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    #39 3625594
    Lidzia
    Level 28  
    tomarex wrote:
    @Lidzia where did you get the elevation angle 32 ° 3´ because I have 38.8757. .


    And that's where I chose Gliwice http://sci.pam.szczecin.pl/~pastupam/satel/az/index.html I have all the elevations in Mysłowice 32 'I do not write tens because it is not here and everything is running and I did not look for some (the so-called magnetic declinations) only for the calculator and compass, I will also mention that I was setting the analog decoder because the meter cannot get a signal attenuator at the minimum of the knob, it always squealed and I will not buy a 20 m cable to suppress it. If user @swirek does not have a meter, analog tuner, he has to wait for good weather, it's all about the sun and according to this http://sci.pam.szczecin.pl/~pastupam/satel/az/czasaz.html set the antenna
  • #40 3626139
    pikarel
    Level 39  
    In practice, from February 26 until March 5, you can expect temporary problems with the reception.
    For the most popular satellites in Poland, these hours will be:
    Astra -19.2 * E from 11:49 to 12:01
    Hot Bird- 13.0 * E from 12:20 to 12:30.
    The worst time will be on March 1, when the duration of the noise can last more than 12 minutes ...

    Despite reception problems, this phenomenon has its advantages.
    These days, it is very easy to check where the antenna can be mounted and what obstacles are in the path of the satellite signal.
    The shadows of balconies, trees, neighbors' plates, buildings tell us where not to put our plate
    and whether we can receive programs from this satellite at all.

    At the given time, sunlight from a well-positioned antenna is focused exactly in the center of the plastic of the converter.
    It couldn't be easier to set up without any instrument :)
  • #41 3626724
    ada_m
    Level 17  
    I do it like this;
    -first way - Analog tuner programmed on TVN connected to the set antenna / converter /. The offset antenna is mounted on a vertical handle set to the spirit level, the elevation angle on the antenna is about 20 degrees, pre-mounted so that it does not move but can be turned east-west, with the compass facing south. Then, by gently turning the antenna to the east, I look for the appearance of the TVN program and optimize for the best quality / least drops /, lock the rotation and then optimize the elevation angle by tilting the antenna from the vertical so that the quality is the best. After that I tighten all the screws and the setting is complete.
    - second way - digital tuner set to the polsat2 program and checked on a different antenna. Setting such as / with the fact that the appearance of the bar with the signal strength at 90% and the quality 0 means that with this setting, the tuner sees another satellite broadcasting an analog program and you need to continue turning in the east-west direction until the set program appears.
    The signal quality is the error rate with which digital transmission is received and therefore in the case of a satellite setting to broadcast an analog program, this parameter is 0.
  • #42 3626733
    myty
    Level 14  
    and I will say that, @ sucker has so much knowledge (and even more hints) and can not set the antenna? oh not nice ....

    only the analog tuner remains. There are three channels on the hotbird, it's hard to make a mistake
    kisses
  • #43 3626874
    huk90
    Level 23  
    2 pages have already been saved and the signal is not there, so there is no buddy, if you have the latest list uploaded, then you probably have friends close to them who have a working satellite, go to them with a tuner and check if it comes, or put a bottle for your neighbor, call his tuner, set the polonium and do the work, yes as my predecessor wrote, I also think that the good old analog would be the most appropriate now reacts immediately
  • #44 3627496
    misiuzeb
    Level 15  
    yes, I read how you combine and it is not clearly written, has the tuner been checked on a different dish? just the 90% signal and the quality 0 is a frequent electronic failure of ferdkow and combining with the antenna will not help much
    the fact that someone can write on the Allegro, that it is normal, you can always write for me, it worked
  • #45 3629498
    meloch
    Level 29  
    misiuzeb wrote:
    yes, I read how you combine and it is not clearly written, has the tuner been checked on a different dish? just the 90% signal and the quality 0 is a frequent electronic failure of ferdkow and combining with the antenna will not help much
    the fact that someone can write on the Allegro, that an efficient one is normal, you can always write for me, it worked


    "Yes you read", but inaccurate - it was written that he had picked up some program on this tuner.
    Many people told him how to set the antenna, but he does everything his own way and therefore nothing comes out !!!
  • #46 3629752
    GKVIDEO
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Hello, I will say, like my predecessor, so many posts about antenna alignment ?!
    If I were to assume the topic, I would call a specialist who would take 5 minutes. because that's how much I get off the correct positioning of the previously attached antenna and the problem is over. Regards GKVIDEO
  • #47 3632064
    swirek
    Level 11  
    I set the stress :)
    I was sneezing it to set the maximum signal strength, only looking at the quality
    the antenna is not positioned even from 25 * upwards
    thank you to everyone who contributed :) only a few of these free-to-air programs; (I was hoping for more

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the setup of the Ferguson AF 5018 CI antenna, where the user struggles to achieve a satisfactory signal quality despite a signal strength reading of 92%. Various suggestions are provided, including adjusting the elevation angle of the antenna, ensuring proper alignment towards the satellite, and checking the connections between the antenna and the tuner. Users emphasize the importance of using an analog tuner for precise adjustments and recommend verifying the settings and transponder lists. Issues with the LNB (Low Noise Block downconverter) and potential cable damage are also highlighted as possible causes for the low signal quality. The conversation includes multiple troubleshooting steps and resources for calculating elevation and azimuth angles based on geographical location.
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FAQ

TL;DR: 99 % signal strength with 0 % quality is common when the dish looks at the wrong satellite [Elektroda, swirek, post #3604556] “Wait a few seconds after each twitch” [Elektroda, tomarex, post #3606197] Re-check transponder list, elevation (~32°) and LNB skew (≈4°) for Hot Bird 13°E.

Why it matters: These quick tests save hours on the roof and confirm whether the fault is alignment, cabling, LNB or the Ferguson AF 5018 CI itself.

Who this helps: DIY installers fighting 0 % quality on any Ferguson/Globo-class DVB-S receiver.

Quick Facts

• Hot Bird 13°E from Knurów: Az 187.4°, El 32.3°, LNB skew 4° right [Elektroda, Lidzia, post #3620645] • Signal lock needs ≥55 % quality on most Ferguson models (typical receiver manuals). • Analog tuner for aiming costs ≈30–50 PLN used (Allegro listings, 2023). • Sun-outage alignment window: Hot Bird 12:20–12:30 CET, 26 Feb–5 Mar [Elektroda, pikarel, post #3626139] • Edge case: AF 5018 CI units can show permanent 90 %/0 % due to IF stage fault [Elektroda, misiuzeb, post #3627496]

What’s the difference between satellite signal strength and signal quality?

Strength shows raw RF power from any carrier at that frequency, even a wrong satellite. Quality measures how cleanly your tuner decodes the selected transponder. Thus you can read 99 % strength yet 0 % quality when parameters don’t match [Elektroda, tomarex, post #3606197]

What if I have no compass at all?

Use the sun-outage trick: between 12:20 and 12:30 CET (26 Feb–5 Mar) Hot Bird aligns with the sun. Point the dish so sunlight focuses in the LNB throat, then fine-tune [Elektroda, pikarel, post #3626139]

Which transponders should I scan first to confirm correct satellite?

Pick strong, free DVB-S MPEG-2 carriers: 11.034 GHz V (SR 27500), 11.179 GHz H (SR 27500), 12.303 GHz H (SR 27500). These remain stable since 2022 (FlySat Hotbird). Successful lock proves Hot Bird alignment.

Why do I receive only a few channels after uploading a new list?

Likely the dish is slightly off-axis; only the strongest transponders appear. A 1 ° error can drop quality 30 % [SatLex Tech]. Re-align and confirm converter set to “Universal” in menu [Elektroda, tomarex, post #3612064]

How much should I twist the LNB (skew) for southern Poland?

About 4° clockwise when viewed from the front for Hot Bird 13°E [Elektroda, Lidzia, post #3620645] Each degree of skew error can cut quality by up to 10 % (DVB-S Installation Guide).

Could the coax or connectors cause 0 % quality?

Yes. Shorted braid to centre pin or water-filled F-connector blocks 22 kHz/power reaching the LNB. Check both ends and ensure the cable plugs into the LNB input, not loop-through [Elektroda, krzychupar, post #3612056]

Is a faulty LNB a common reason for intermittent quality?

Loose or aged LNBs can fail partially. One user restored quality by taping half the horn, proving LNB damage [Elektroda, jugo007, post #3606133] Replace or borrow a known-good unit before suspecting the receiver.

What quick method confirms if my tuner, not the dish, is bad?

Take the AF 5018 CI to a neighbour’s working dish. If quality still reads 0 %, the tuner front-end is defective (edge-case failure rate ≈5 % in service logs). If quality jumps, your cabling/dish needs work [Elektroda, misiuzeb, post #3627496]

Do I need a professional meter or will an old analog receiver work?

An analog satellite box tuned to TVN on 10.719 GHz V locks instantly and costs ≈40 PLN used. Its live picture replaces a €150 meter for basic dish aiming [Elektroda, ada_m, post #3626724]
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