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Exta Free – is it worth investing in this smart building system?

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Is Exta Free worth investing in for a straightforward smart building / home automation system?

Exta Free is worth buying if you need a cheap, straightforward system for simple automation, but it is not a good choice for complex logic or fully autonomous smart-home functions [#11264615][#16168098] It works reliably, is about three times cheaper than X-Comfort, and is easy to implement for basic lighting and other simple control tasks [#11264615] One user retrofitted an existing flat with Exta Free, integrated it with an alarm system and presence simulation, and reported around 2,000 zł total cost versus about 7,000 zł for X-Comfort, with the system working flawlessly for three years [#11264615][#13308543] It can be used as an “expander” for a more advanced controller, where Exta Free only carries commands and actuates loads, while the logic is handled elsewhere [#11263268][#11264615] The main drawbacks are one-way communication, no feedback on device state, batteries in transmitters, incomplete/confusing manuals, poor availability, and difficult programming once the installation becomes more advanced [#11262869][#11264615][#15733444] So the practical advice from the thread is: choose Exta Free for low-cost, simple wireless automation; if you want richer scenes, status feedback, or more sophisticated integration, look elsewhere or pair it with another controller [#16168098][#13308543]
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  • #31 15885746
    piotr411
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    I don’t understand your question – what device do you want to use to send the information? I use my own router, because the one offered by Zamel is very impractical.
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    Lukasino
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    piotr411 wrote:
    I don’t understand your question – what device do you want to use to send the information? I use my own router, as the one offered by Zamel is very impractical.


    Perhaps to put it more simply: how do I use Zamel to send an email notification when motion is detected? I also have my own router, with Zamel connected to it, but I don’t know how to send an email notification when the motion detector is triggered. I can do this when I use a different controller (LAN Controller); in that case, the voltage from the Zamel receiver is fed to the LAN Controller (which sends email notifications). I thought there might be an easier way to do it.
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    piotr411
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    My router receives the sensor code and, depending on the programme, either sends a signal or carries out other commands. I don’t know what sort of router you’ve built or what programme you’ve written, so it’s rather difficult to answer that. From my point of view, every new feature amounts to a few lines of code. That’s why my answer was possible. It’s also possible, if I remember correctly, with the Zamel router.
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    Returning to the subject of Exta Free. I was at the Zamel stand yesterday during the Energetab Fair. They were showcasing the new Exta Live system, which has been redesigned compared to Exta Free. It will be a system with two-way, encrypted communication. The plan is for it to be available in two versions – standard and premium. The standard version will not be backwards compatible with Exta Free, but the premium version will be, meaning existing control points can be reused. Zamel also developed and showcased its radiator controllers and temperature controllers for Exta Live. The controllers have been completely redesigned, including their appearance. They are currently shaped like a small cube and look simply brilliant; moreover, they have reportedly managed to increase the range compared to the EFC-02 controller, which is already excellent (in my setup, with four walls each 40 cm thick, it communicates easily over 50 metres). They have been fitted with additional USB ports. The flush-mounted units of the new system have retained their shape but have changed colour to black, and the model numbers are now two-digit, e.g. ROP-22. There will also be a new smartphone app, and it will be possible to programme them from a PC. I spoke to the developers of the new software; in the premium version, it is to be a partially open system, so that anyone wishing to add a feature or module can do so. The method of adding devices to the network will also be changed; the controller will now scan the network for new devices. Exta Live is due to go on sale in the first quarter of 2017, and beta testing with customers is set to begin shortly.
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    That sounds very interesting, but a well-thought-out price will also be needed for success. In Poland, unfortunately, it is the latter factor that is decisive, and even the best product can fade into obscurity. Either way, well done to Zamel for their ambition and perseverance in the challenging Polish market.
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    You’re not alone – I’ve got my own system too, which is slowly making its way into the commercial market ;) Despite everything, I’m keeping my fingers crossed for Zamel because it’s a very reliable company and one I’d recommend. I’ll be keen to follow the product’s progress.
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  • #38 15930669
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    Well, I tried to discuss the price at the trade fair, but it hasn’t been finalised yet. The main factor determining the price is the distinction between the Standard and Premium models. It’s already clear that the Standard controller won’t be backwards compatible with Exta Free, and reading between the lines, it was possible to deduce that the price will be similar to that of the EFC-02 mini controller. The Premium version will feature two radio chips to ensure backwards compatibility with Exta Free. The price will therefore likely be higher. They have opted out of the Z-Wave standard, as the licence fee would have added around 20 PLN to the cost of each module produced.
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    Hello. Regarding Exty Free, how can I integrate another system with the one from Zamela? I’m thinking of controlling it via an RPi using Domoticz. Is it possible to decode and copy the signals sent by the Zamel transmitters? I have 9 SRP-02 modules for controlling roller blinds and a few ROP receivers. Best regards.
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    miroy
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    zoltar_vero wrote:
    The new Exta Live system, which has been redesigned from Exta Free, has been unveiled.


    To be precise, it will be called Exta Life. They’ve even launched a website for the system: http://extalife.pl/ – admittedly, it’s still rather vague at the moment, but the basic concepts are clear.

    And it looks quite promising based on these plans, and there’s a chance for a significant increase in functionality compared to Exta Free. Let’s just hope the prices are kept at a reasonable level and the project gets off the ground as soon as possible.
  • #42 16168098
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    zoltar_vero wrote:
    Exta Live is due to go on sale in the first quarter of 2017, and beta testing with customers is set to begin shortly.


    Is this still up to date? Testing of new Wi-Fi-enabled modules has recently begun (the Supla project – check their website).

    As for Exta Free – I’ve been using it for a year to control my roller blinds and hot water (circulation pump).
    Advantages:
    + excellent range (approx. 20m through 4 thick walls)
    + the receivers do not ‘forget’ the transmitters, which is a problem with cheaper devices
    + simplicity
    + can be connected to other systems (via RS485 or via 230V-controlled transmitters)
    Disadvantages:
    - lack of an advanced controller (the currently available version does not support the creation of logical events, so the values read by the sensors are for information purposes only – this is set to change in a newer version)
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    miroy
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    According to information from Zamel, the new version – Exta Life – is due to be launched in the first quarter of 2017; no details (particularly regarding pricing) have been revealed as yet. At the same time, they have produced the first test batch of modules compatible with Supla, and this project will likely be developed further, whilst the existing Exta Free will probably be phased out in favour of Exta Life.

    As for the Exta Free controller, yes, the current Mini EFC-02 is relatively cheap, but it lacks a few simple features (including the ability to generate random events). There were announcements about the launch of a more advanced version, the EFC-01, but given the planned introduction of a new product line, I wouldn’t expect it to ever appear.

    In any case, I’m holding off on upgrading my Exta Free for the time being and will wait a quarter or two to assess the new solution.
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    miroy
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    According to the latest information: Exta Life is due to go on sale from 1 February 2017.

    Initially, the following will be available: a controller (designated EFC-01), 2- and 4-channel transmitters/push-buttons, 2- and 4-channel remote controls, 1- and 2-channel receivers, a roller shutter receiver and a dimmer.

    We’re still waiting for the prices and the app.
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    According to the latest information, the 2- and 4-channel transmitters will be integrated with a temperature sensor. This is excellent news; it will allow us to do away with the existing flush-mounted sensors. There will be more space in the flush-mounted boxes, and the temperature measurement will be more useful for control purposes. I can’t imagine anyone fitting junction boxes at a height of 100–120 cm, so the sensors would either have to be fitted near the floor or near the ceiling, and the temperature reading wouldn’t be particularly suitable for control purposes.
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    xformx
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    Hello, has anyone tried the products from the new Exta Life range yet? They were supposed to go on sale from 1 February 2017. I’m curious to hear the first reviews.
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    xformx wrote:
    Hello everyone, has anyone tried the products from the new Exta Life range yet? They were supposed to go on sale from 1 February 2017. I’m curious to hear the first reviews.

    I’ve been trying it for over a month, but unfortunately it’s still in beta… some features don’t work and they don’t know when the developers will manage to sort it out. On Android, some functions and buttons aren’t visible; on iOS, it’s fine. They’re shooting themselves in the foot a bit by displaying features that don’t work, rather than hiding them and only showing them once they’re working; a message pops up saying they’ll be introduced in the future… It’s also a shame they didn’t launch it straight away with all the modules, such as LED dimmers, and didn’t opt for Z-Wave integration. Someone mentioned above that this would have added 20 zł to the module. That’s not much – with 20 receivers, that’s 400 zł... and given the module’s price, they’d still be the cheapest on the market, which would boost their sales. I can’t say a bad word about the modules or the communication – it works perfectly. It’s also a shame they won’t be joining IFTTT, which would allow integration with many other systems. I’m rooting for them, but this product has been released far too early… it should have been refined further.
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  • #48 16681904
    dgtal
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    I first tested it in April and it was immediately obvious that it was a beta version. My first impressions were actually quite negative. The Android app hardly worked at all. On iOS, it was actually quite OK. After getting in touch with Zamel and seeing that the promised features were good enough, I decided to go ahead and use the system. A few months later, I started renovating my house and, whilst I was at it, bought 10 actuators; I’ve been testing the system on a daily basis since August.

    As of today, many features listed on the official extalife.pl website are still missing.
    These include, amongst others:
    1. Logic functions (two-month delay)
    2. Heating control
    3. Full configuration of actuators via the app (many configuration options shown in the official actuator manuals are missing)
    4. Compatibility with exta free. This is theoretically due to be added by the end of 2017, but given the delay in adding other features that were already supposed to be there – I wouldn’t count on it happening this year. Zamel himself is also quite sceptical about this. Fortunately, they’re quite reasonable to deal with, so you can find out how the work is progressing.
    5. Online software updates for the EFC-01 controller – requires manually downloading the software onto an SD card
    6. Online software updates for receivers and transmitters – requires manually downloading the software onto an SD card

    Communication between receivers and transmitters works fine, but when several receivers are paired with a single transmitter (e.g. the same remote control button), the reporting of the receiver’s status to the central controller almost always fails. All the drawbacks of radio communication are evident in this solution – many receivers transmit at the same time and, as a result, the central controller receives nothing but interference. Unfortunately, the system itself is too technically simple to overcome these drawbacks. The lack of mechanisms such as CSMA/CD or CSMA/CA means that the system very often becomes out of synchronisation with the central controller. However, when controlling directly from the application itself – i.e. the central controller – it works reasonably well. On the other hand, when using transmitters paired with multiple devices, the system is unreliable. Zamel is tackling these issues by treating the symptoms (forcing the controller to read the status of receivers – currently only in the planning stage; not yet implemented) rather than changing the underlying design, which is of course much more difficult but offers an almost 100% guarantee of success.

    There is still a lack of many actuators, transmitters and sensors familiar from the Exta Free series.

    Personally, I also really miss what Fibaro has in its transmitters – the ability to define different actions depending on what happens when the transmitter button is pressed – 1 click, 2 clicks, or holding down. Currently, pressing a button triggers a specific action in the receiver. I’d be very pleased if I could define different actions for a given button depending on whether I press it once, twice or hold it down. For example, when holding down a button, I’d like to trigger a scene rather than a simple receiver action such as on/off. Unfortunately, Zamel has no plans to include this :-( That’s a shame, because the transmitters and receivers have their own software and, in theory, you could do whatever you like here – the system has the potential to be developed further, but the current design is quite basic and limited.

    I think they’re still at least a year away from realising the system’s full potential. They’ve released the system now, probably to gauge the market and gauge interest, but this may put many people off. It seems to me that there is a lack of confidence in the project’s success here, and consequently limited funding, resulting in slow development.

    Anyone wishing to buy this should bear in mind that it is still in beta, and the information provided in the official documentation and on the manufacturer’s website is inaccurate, as many features are simply not yet available. At this stage of development, it’s hard to call this a smart home. It’s really just basic automation, though of course it sounds better from a marketing perspective.
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    Well, unfortunately I’ve switched to Fibaro; they promised to add certain features but didn’t deliver. I think Zamela is a great company with good value for money products, but this particular product is a rip-off – they’re taking customers for a ride by not telling them it’s a BETA version... If they hadn’t included features that don’t work in the official version of the software, and had only added them once they were working, then I wouldn’t call them rip-off artists...
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    I’ve gone with Samsung SmartThings as my hub, plus Fibaro accessories. The only problem is that their hub isn’t available through Polish distributors, so I had to order it online. At the moment, I’m very happy with it, mainly because of the huge community on the Samsung forum; they work together to solve problems very quickly.
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    dgtal
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    Hello!
    If anyone is interested in reviews of the Exta Life system, there is now a forum dedicated exclusively to this topic at http://www.forumextalife.pl/ a forum dedicated exclusively to this topic is now available.
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    I’d like to chime in on the Exta Free thread. I’m planning a renovation in a prefabricated concrete block of flats and have opted for wireless solutions because there’s no decent equipment available on the open market that wouldn’t involve cutting grooves in the concrete. So I started doing some research and, after a brief fling with Orno Smart Living – which had tempted me with its price (which I reckon was in line with the quality, which is why I returned the Orno to the shop) – I became interested in Zamel. As they say, the more you know, the more you want, and the project has evolved from simply switching lights on to something more ‘smart’ – and this is where I have a few questions for which I haven’t found clear answers.
    If I’m setting up a system using Exta Free, am I obliged to use Zamel control units, or can I somehow pair it with another control unit and Z-Wave devices (e.g. Samsung ST)? Alternatively, will I be able to pair other Z-Wave devices with the Zamel control unit?
    For the time being, I’d like to limit the functionality to lighting control with scenes etc., plus motion, flood and carbon monoxide detectors with email notifications.
  • #55 16809133
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    Z-Wave is a different story.
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    adamlabedz
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    Is there any way to integrate these? A bridge, or anything?
    I haven’t found any wireless switches on Z-Wave – standard flush-mounted ones like those from Zamel – and that’s a must-have. There’s something like Aqara on Zigbee, but that’s a different story altogether, and again, there are no flush-mounted receivers available...
    I’ve still got half a year to find a solution, but from what I can see, it’s hard to find something that combines all the features and is also reasonably priced.
  • #57 16809370
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    There are usually Z-Wave switches. Flush-mounted ones too.
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    kkknc
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    There is no compatibility issue. Newer devices with more features communicate with others without any problems and do not need to understand each other, as they are simply relaying a signal. If the control unit is out of range, the devices within range act as repeaters. It depends on the control unit’s software whether all the features can be utilised.
    So now tell us what isn’t working with what. Because wherever and whatever you write, the word ‘Domoticz’ always crops up.
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