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A remote-controlled light switch that has to meet quite demanding requirements.

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  • #1 16568088
    alikatek
    Level 29  
    Welcome.

    I need to slightly modify an old, post-PRL lighting installation in my room. A lighting installation with a two-button switch. This is how it is painted on the diagram:

    A remote-controlled light switch that has to meet quite demanding requirements. .

    And I need to get:
    -remote control from remote control + possibility to switch on/off with wall switch.
    -Both systems should not interfere with each other, i.e. I switch the light on with the wall switch and off with the remote control and have no problem to switch it on later with the wall switch.
    Both channels must be maintained (one or two bulbs can be switched on separately).

    So combining a wall switch with a remote control from allegro in parallel/serially is out of the question. There has to be something more here.
    It would not be a problem for me if I had L and N in the lighting box. The only thing I have in the lighting box is the phase wire and 2 wires going to the chandelier. There is no way to modify these wires because the room was renovated recently and I won't be forging the wall. The wires are NOT in a pessel but plastered over as the builders did a long time ago. Similarly, access to the boxes distributing power to sockets and lighting is difficult because they are also plastered and you don't even know where they are. Probably under the ceiling above the sockets.
    As I wrote above the room was recently renovated and forging is not an option. The only thing available is the box under the switch which fortunately is deep.

    The only thing I can think of is a connection along the lines of a two-point staircase system. This is how it is painted on the diagram according to my idea:

    A remote-controlled light switch that has to meet quite demanding requirements. .

    Only problems arising from such a connection:
    -Where to get a two-key staircase switch that looks like a regular candlestick switch? I've never come across a two-key staircase switch.
    -What about the power supply to the remote control: when the bulbs are switched off, somehow these few mA can be taken from the circuit, but what about when the bulbs are switched on? Where will these few mA come from to power the remote control if the whole thing will be short-circuited?
    -Probably the possibility of using LED lighting will fall away because they will be illuminated by those few mA flowing in the circuit. But I'm not worried about that, because there will be classic bulbs or compact fluorescent lamps.

    Or is there something that already meets the above requirements, i.e. a whole switch module with remote control? I have looked for something like this but have not been able to find it.

    Thank you in advance for your replies.
    Regards.
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  • #3 16568186
    alikatek
    Level 29  
    @piotrek22101 My cluelessness. I asked in 2 electrical shops and a DIY shop and they didn't have any. Apparently they are poorly stocked because I see such switches on allegro though.
    Only there is this last issue. Where will the extra N come from just for the remote control circuit? Because when the switch is switched on (the light comes on on both keys) then there is nowhere to take the N from (the switch becomes a jumper).
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    #4 16568350
    piotrek22101
    Level 39  
    Na,only is in the box,(as long as there are boxes). There are radio controls available for purchase, they can be combined with dedicated switches, unfortunately you need zero (N ) there. There used to be dimmers that reacted to the TV remote control, using only the same wires as a normal switch. It was possible to operate them with a remote control, even after switching on the light when the zero from the bulb disappeared. A matter of searching.

    I found one on an auction site with this name .
    VL-C702R-62 Touch switch. LIVOLO GLASS FOR REMOTE CONTROL . Here you only need to buy the remote control.
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  • #5 16569050
    alikatek
    Level 29  
    @piotrek22101 Thanks a lot! With this switch you solved my problem :)
  • #6 16592394
    alikatek
    Level 29  
    Thanks a lot for your interest. I contacted the seller and as he said an additional neutral wire for the switch is not needed.

    As soon as I get the switch I will take some pictures including how to connect it to be for posterity.
    Please do not close the topic yet.
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    #7 16592924
    mawerix123
    Level 39  
    alikatek wrote:
    said an additional neutral wire for the switch is not needed


    It is not necessary for the switch, but it is for the relay you want to control remotely.

    If I were you, I would aim for Livolo





    or Funry



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    #8 16592979
    piotrek22101
    Level 39  
    mawerix123 wrote:
    alikatek wrote:
    said an additional neutral wire for the switch is not needed
    .

    For the switch it is not necessary, but for the relay you want to control remotely it is.

    If I were you, I would aim for Livolo





    or Funry



    .

    And which ones did I state above, did you read?
  • #9 16594939
    alikatek
    Level 29  
    In any case, the switch according to the seller's assurances does not require any additional wiring. Only the phase and wires to the chandelier. Where it will get the energy to keep the relays latched I don't know, maybe it has a supercapacitor or something inside.
    I purchased one (auction screen)

    A remote-controlled light switch that has to meet quite demanding requirements. .

    For now, I am waiting for the courier who should deliver the package tomorrow or Thursday.
  • #10 16596831
    alikatek
    Level 29  
    I received the switch today. Of course, I also got the Polish manual, which explains how to connect the switch.
    I don't think there's any point in taking pictures of the connection if it's pictorially shown in the manual.

    I am MEGA satisfied with the switch because the assembly is very simple, the switch performs its function perfectly and it is nice. The workmanship of the switch itself is solid, it is not just any plastic and glass.
    I am also a little surprised that the led lamps I currently have in my chandelier are not illuminated. Previously, there was an ordinary candlestick switch with illumination and the leds were illuminated on the channel where the lamp was plugged in.

    I am also attaching scans of the instruction manual if someone wanted to buy such a switch but was not sure if it would work for them. Since the manual is added to the switch, the seller will probably not mind showing it. He has free advertising :) .

    A remote-controlled light switch that has to meet quite demanding requirements.

    A remote-controlled light switch that has to meet quite demanding requirements. .

    Thanks a lot for your interest and help.
    Regards.

    Added after 1 [minute]: .

    edit: the scanner I have is already a bit worn out so it came out a bit blurry but I think everything can be read.

Topic summary

The discussion addresses the challenge of upgrading an old two-button lighting installation without neutral (N) wire access in the switch box, aiming to enable remote control alongside traditional wall switch operation without mutual interference. Standard solutions combining wall switches with remote controls in parallel or series are unsuitable due to wiring constraints. The key solution identified is the Livolo VL-C702R-62 touch switch, which supports remote control operation without requiring an additional neutral wire. This switch maintains independent control of two lighting channels and allows switching via both remote and wall switch seamlessly. The switch's power for relay latching is speculated to come from internal components such as a supercapacitor. The user confirmed the switch's ease of installation, solid build quality, and effective functionality, including compatibility with LED lamps. The discussion also references the availability of radio-controlled switches and dimmers that operate on existing wiring but typically require neutral. The Livolo switch was purchased from an auction site, and the user shared the Polish manual illustrating connection details.
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